Utility/Auxilliary aircrafts in RuAF

Photo recon is not something that requires large number of aircraft so they can get away with using leftover An-140

Might as well get some mileage out of them yet while they are around

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GarryB wrote:

Anyway the Russian military has about a dozen an140. Even if they don't build new an140, i don't see why they should not continue to use the existing ones. They have anyway all the documentation and are capable to produce spares and maintain them without Ukraine's support.

The reason to buy 9 An-140 as well as other planes at the time of Commander Zelin is basically corruption
Russia did not need these planes at all, in fact the 5 of the Air Force does not use them, only a couple of An-140 of the Russian Navy have been used a bit regularly in the last decade

I don't see much problem for RuAF to use those An-140 as they use TV3-117 engines. Klimov also produce those engines and in future they could reengine them to more modern TV7-117 engines, which are for new Il-112 and Il-114. With serial production of Il-114, I hope RuAF and RuNAVY will also get some specialized versions of them.

medo wrote:I don't see much problem for RuAF to use those An-140 as they use TV3-117 engines. Klimov also produce those engines and in future they could reengine them to more modern TV7-117 engines, which are for new Il-112 and Il-114. With serial production of Il-114, I hope RuAF and RuNAVY will also get some specialized versions of them.

the best can do RuAF with An-140 and An-148 is sell them and use the new Il-114, SSJ and/or MS-21 as airliners and (also for replace Tu-134)

AMCXXL wrote:

medo wrote:I don't see much problem for RuAF to use those An-140 as they use TV3-117 engines. Klimov also produce those engines and in future they could reengine them to more modern TV7-117 engines, which are for new Il-112 and Il-114. With serial production of Il-114, I hope RuAF and RuNAVY will also get some specialized versions of them.

the best can do RuAF with An-140 and An-148 is sell them and use the new Il-114, SSJ and/or MS-21 as airliners and (also for replace Tu-134)

Antonov is closing down thanks to the Maidan nuts, so it would be a poor acquisition for the buyer of the aircraft because the closure would make acquiring parts and spares difficult, unless they (Russians) mastered the production for each part, which wouldn't make sense if they've set out production of domestic Russian aircraft in those weight categories. For someone to buy them they would have get them for dirt cheap to justify the purchase. So in short they'd be a hard sell.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

AMCXXL wrote:

medo wrote:I don't see much problem for RuAF to use those An-140 as they use TV3-117 engines. Klimov also produce those engines and in future they could reengine them to more modern TV7-117 engines, which are for new Il-112 and Il-114. With serial production of Il-114, I hope RuAF and RuNAVY will also get some specialized versions of them.

the best can do RuAF with An-140 and An-148 is sell them and use the new Il-114, SSJ and/or MS-21 as airliners and (also for replace Tu-134)

Antonov is closing down thanks to the Maidan nuts, so it would be a poor acquisition for the buyer of the aircraft because the closure would make acquiring parts and spares difficult, unless they (Russians) mastered the production for each part, which wouldn't make sense if they've set out production of domestic Russian aircraft in those weight categories. For someone to buy them they would have get them for dirt cheap to justify the purchase. So in short they'd be a hard sell.

Antonov is kaput

Antonov was s soviet company, Oleg Antonov born in Moscow,
the reason for install the Antonov desingn bureau in Kiev was political. In USSR all the territories had to have industry

When the USSR ends, Antonov become a mixed Enterprise Russia-Ukraine, with the central offices remain in Kiev, also for political easons, since Russia also has other aeronautic companies and Ukraine not.

However, Russia was able to produce An-148 in VASO, while Ukraine was not able to produce nothing in a lot of years.
I not sure if half a dozen An-158 were handed over completely finished to Cuba, Anyway, today nobody operates any new Ukrainian made new aircraft

Here is the An-70 in 2013 with both flags, Ukraine and Russia



After the coup in Ukraine, the joint Enterprise was disolved.
Ukraine cannot produce any airplane without Russian components and have not money enough to change them
and Russia is not interested in Antonov airplanes at all

Then Antonov is a zombie company
really is only an airline for make cash operating the only An-225 and the remaining An-124

AMCXXL wrote:

medo wrote:I don't see much problem for RuAF to use those An-140 as they use TV3-117 engines. Klimov also produce those engines and in future they could reengine them to more modern TV7-117 engines, which are for new Il-112 and Il-114. With serial production of Il-114, I hope RuAF and RuNAVY will also get some specialized versions of them.

the best can do RuAF with An-140 and An-148 is sell them and use the new Il-114, SSJ and/or MS-21 as airliners and (also for replace Tu-134)

they should be able to produce the space parts for them and maintain them, so if there are safe to fly, and there are some roles in which they can be used there is no point about selling them, especially because Antonov cannot say anything about how the russian military maintains its own aircrafts, but could create problems for the maintenance and overhaul operation if sold to other countries...

If they have potential customers, better to sell them new russian aircrafts...

My thoughts were mainly regarding the fact that these Antonovs are new planes and it makes sense to use them, but you don't really want to have to make a lot more to make them a viable useful fleet for transport needs.

A niche job like aerial photography means you could dedicate the entire fleet to that role... you could of course other types in the same role as needed, but if you could get away with using all these new ukrainian aircraft it would mean they get used and perform a function without a lot more money being spent on making more of them.

Eventually if you convert all systems to Russian systems it will essentially be a Russian aircraft and they could sell some off to perhaps Iran who was also part of the arrangement before it went tits up... part of the sale terms could include converting existing Iranian models with the same Russian components so it essentially becomes a Russian aircraft and they could sell production rights to Iran so they could service and maintain their own models together with the Russian models... in fact... why wait... just sell them to Iran on reasonable terms and just get rid of them from the Russian Air Force and just buy and support fully Russian designs...

GarryB wrote:My thoughts were mainly regarding the fact that these Antonovs are new planes and it makes sense to use them, but you don't really want to have to make a lot more to make them a viable useful fleet for transport needs.

A niche job like aerial photography means you could dedicate the entire fleet to that role... you could of course other types in the same role as needed, but if you could get away with using all these new ukrainian aircraft it would mean they get used and perform a function without a lot more money being spent on making more of them.

Eventually if you convert all systems to Russian systems it will essentially be a Russian aircraft and they could sell some off to perhaps Iran who was also part of the arrangement before it went tits up... part of the sale terms could include converting existing Iranian models with the same Russian components so it essentially becomes a Russian aircraft and they could sell production rights to Iran so they could service and maintain their own models together with the Russian models... in fact... why wait... just sell them to Iran on reasonable terms and just get rid of them from the Russian Air Force and just buy and support fully Russian designs...

It is true that Iran operated a few An-140 (mainly assembled in Iran from complete knock-down kit built in Kharkov), but would not be better at this point to sell them Il114, maybe organising partial joint production there?

More info about the An-140 recon version.

Equipment for aerial photographing An-140-100 aircraft

On February 19, 2020, JSC Experimental Engineering Plant named after V.M. Myasishcheva ”(part of the Transport Aviation Division of United Aircraft Corporation JSC) reported that it had completed work on the modernization of the An-140-100 serial aircraft in the form of aerial photography. A set of design and technological documentation and additions to operational and technical documentation have been released. The aircraft carried out the necessary refinement of the airframe and systems, installed special equipment that allows for cartographic aerial photography of the area. The flight tests of the aircraft were supposed to begin "in the near future."

In fact, at JSC Experimental Engineering Plant named after V.M. Myasishchev ”was converted into an aerial photograph version of the combat aircraft An-140-100 (serial number 11A002, registration number RF-41254) of the Russian Aerospace Forces - the first An-140-100, which was built at Aviakor Aviation Plant JSC in Samara for Russian Ministry of Defense under a contract of December 2009 and was transferred to the Russian Air Force on December 23, 2011.

Recall that the project to create an aerial photography and cartographic version of the An-140 aircraft, designed to replace the An-30B aircraft in the Russian military and civil aviation, has a long history. Back in 2008, the Russian Ministry of Defense signed a contract with Vega Concern JSC to carry out R&D of Renter to develop an aerial photograph version of the An-140 aircraft. As part of the implementation of this OKR in 2012, the Russian Ministry of Defense signed a contract with JSC Aviakor-Aviation Plant for the manufacture of a prototype aerial photographing version of the An-140-100 new-built aircraft in accordance with the Renter “Surveyor”. In fact, due to the problems of the Samara plant and the ensuing conflict with Ukraine, the prototype aerial photographing version of the An-140-100 aircraft at Aviakor remained unfinished, although back in 2016 the company’s management announced their intention to complete this aircraft, finding it difficult, however, to name the deadlines .

Ultimately, in 2018, according to the results of work on the Surveyor R&D, it was decided to re-equip one of the An-140-100 combat planes previously built for the VKS in the passenger version with the aerial photography complex, with the implementation of these works of Experimental Machine-Building Plant named after V.M. Myasishchev. "

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3971251.html

Tu-214LMK. For testing of some electronic components of the Tu-160M2 (Maybe some stuff for PAK-DA). Can also be used as Trainer.

Nice... and could be sold in a downgraded form to allies wanting a cheap bomber.

For a country like Iraq or Syria wanting to deal with terrorists then an aircraft like this would be cheap to operate and could be unified with civilian Tu-214s they operate commercially domestically.

They wont need Blackjack level equipment on board, just the Gefest & T systems and the capacity to carry some bombs externally should do the job.

That's an awsome design for all those specialized military versions. Too bad it failed on civilian market.

The first flight of the modernized An-2 aircraft with a Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-67B engine

July 31, 2020 in Novosibirsk SibNIA at the Yeltsovka airfield of the N.A. V.P. Chkalov, under the control of the crew consisting of: PIC, Honored Test Pilot Vladimir Evgenievich Barsuk, Co-Pilot Test Pilot Igor Aleksandrovich Moseikin and Leading Flight Test Engineer Test Pilot Maxim Veniaminovich Morozov, for the first time raised the Legenda-570 aircraft ... The aircraft is a deep modernization of the classic An-2 (TVS-2MS) aircraft, remotorized by the PT6 turboprop engine. We can say that this is a new aircraft that has retained the main features of the An-2. The chief designer of the aircraft is Vyacheslav Trunov. The aircraft is being created for Mongolia.

The post uses photographs of Sergei Olegovich Ivantsov and video of Ilyas Zhumabaevich Kozhabergenov.









https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4103772.html

The An-2 replacement production to start: 
https://vz.ru/society/2020/12/31/1078290.html

The Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation announced that the aircraft L-610 will be produced in the future

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/12250895

MOSCOW, November 29. / TASS /. The new training aircraft are planned to be delivered to the troops by the end of 2021. Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces (VKS) of Russia, Lieutenant General Andrei Yudin, announced this in an interview with the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper .

"More than 50 aircraft engines have been repaired and delivered to military units, it is planned to deliver 16 new aircraft by the end of the year (seven L-410UVP-E20 units, nine DA-42T units)," he said.

According to him, in 2021, work was also carried out to increase the resource of the fleet of aircraft engines of Yak-130 aircraft in order to maintain the serviceability of the fleet of training aircraft and ensure the flight training plan for cadets of the Krasnodar Higher Military Aviation School.

A localized version of the Czech L-410UVP-E20 turboprop transport aircraft is produced in Russia at the Ural Civil Aviation Plant (UZGA). In the Russian Air Force, the aircraft is used to train pilots of military transport aviation.

https://tass-ru.translate.goog/armiya-i-opk/13050243?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=nui

The command flights of the crews of the Su-24MR reconnaissance aircraft and the An-30B air surveillance aircraft took place in the Smolensk region.

The servicemen completed takeoff and landing, flight along a given route, as well as the work of the crew during aerial photography of the area.

Combat vehicles Su-24MR and An-30B are equipped with hardware systems for reconnaissance and aerial photography, which have a practical range of over 2,500 kilometers. This makes it possible to conduct reconnaissance both in the border areas and in the depths of the territory of a potential enemy.

Few know about the GSh-23 on An-72

Believe those belonged to the FSB border guards.

It is only on the An-72P, where P stands for patrol.



Most often noticable because of the camo paint, but often with wing mounted 32 shot rocket pods and the aft ramp can be opened in flight to allow roof mounted 100kg illumination bombs to be released for photographing at night... hope the latter have been made redundant with thermals...

Title of the video says it all:
On approach: 55-year-old Il-18, IL-76 and 40-year-old Tu-154. Chkalovsky - Lair of Soviet aircraft




Two legends on landing - IL-20 and AN-22 / Kubinka Airfield (our days)

TASS; May 24, 16:30 (Updated 16:53)

Testing of the first prototype IL-114 continues
The second prototype aircraft is in a high degree of readiness, the fuselage is being docked on the third aircraft

MOSCOW, May 24. /TASS/. Testing of the first flight prototype of the Il-114 regional aircraft continues, and the construction of the second and third aircraft is also underway, according to the website of the Russian government following the trip of the delegation of the board of the military-industrial commission to the aircraft plant in Lukhovitsy.

"Currently, ground tests of the first prototype are continuing at the enterprise. The second prototype aircraft is in a high degree of readiness, the fuselage is being docked on the third aircraft. After assembly and debugging are completed, these aircraft will take part in the certification test program," the report says.

In August 2021, an Il-112V aircraft, while performing a training flight, crashed while landing at the Kubinka airfield near Moscow.

The head of Rostec, Sergei Chemezov, said that work on the Il-112V and Il-114-300 would continue, taking into account the results of the investigation into the crash. The Il-114 and Il-112V aircraft are equipped with the TVS117-ST engine. The civilian modification of the engine (TVS117-ST-01) is installed on the Il-114-300. Deputy Prime Minister Borisov admitted earlier that the production date for the Il-114 aircraft, previously scheduled for 2023, will be adjusted against the backdrop of the Il-112V crash.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14715193