Russian Economy General News: #10

I never denied that part. That said, 5% is more than I expected... my point was that we don't know if Russia has been doing something similar, especially as drugs and prostitution were only some of the things that were included. But whatever...

We can assume Russia is doing it because the UK admit to including black market numbers, the Russians don't describe black market numbers as being included but Russians are liars and the Brits are pure and honourable... so if the pure and honourable Brits are padding their numbers the dirty evil Russians will surely be not only doing the same but probably even worse... making shit up...

Is that a fair description of you line of reasoning?

But the view that Russia's military budget is roughly comparable to the UK, France and Germany combined has a lot of face validity and I came to the same conclusion years ago.

What you spend and what you get are two very different things... you just have to look at what the US is spending to see that...

Let them taste the fresh air of "non-corrupt western freedom."

Corruption does not exist in the west because there is denial... right up to the highest level.... and if you make a multi million dollar donation to the Clinton foundation they will give you a certificate to prove you are not corrupt... it also allows you 10 free gropes of interns, with full deniability, and some mouthwash because if you keep your nose up there for too long your face starts to smell of ass.

miketheterrible wrote: It's harder when Russians spew same nonsense though.

There will always be some low-life MFer who is willing to sell his nation and people down the shitter for a handful of judas coins. The accursed Seppostani Continuum excels at finding these fckers in targetted nations...

But yeah, it's not farfetched to think that including some of those sectors is increasingly the standard practice in many countries. In fact, they probably should be included, atleast in some cases, that is how GDP works, no? This whole "debate" is beyond pointless, because it really doesn't make that much of a difference either way.

Actually no... that is not what I am talking about... it is about stereotype and inuenndo... and of course the ultimate western defence when they finally admit they are worse bastards than they portray their enemies... yeah but everyone does it...

The thing is that most of the time when they paint their enemies as evil they do so by accusing them of doing things that are no where near as bad as what the west has done and continues to do so it really does not make sense ultimately.

So are you saying that the Brits are dirty evil liars and the Russians are pure and honourable?

No.... you are saying the opposite..

The Brits are being dishonest by including things that really should not be included... if there is no tax revenue from prostitution or the illegal drug trade then why could it with businesses that do pay tax and follow rules or drug companies that peddle vastly more lethal sedatives that are legally prescribed by medical professionals and taxes are paid on the manufacture and sale thereof.

The Russians have not said they include their black market in their figures... why do you believe Britain being bad and Russia doing the right thing that most other countries do?

Because Russians are genetically disposed to be bad... they can't help it... is the western stereotype... so when the west is accused of being bad they can claim to be no worse than anyone else... in fact imagine a world where Russia or China was in charge... despite neither of those countries ever trying to achieve this... it is only the west that tries to dominate the world... they are the real bond villain but that never appears in their movies.

This is stupid, please don't put words in my mouth.

Please come up with better reasoning than the Russians are lying because the Brits admit to doing the wrong thing so the Russians must be doing the same wrong thing.

The Russians might be lying, but innuendo and suggestion are not proof... I realise Putin is guilty of murder in the west based on such flimsy evidence... one of his vocal critics dies of Polonium poisoning... it is in Putins interests for this guy to die therefore Putin poisoned him with Polonium.

Three people in Britain are poisoned by a rare obscure poison we are told only Russia has so the Russians must be guilty of either attempting to kill them or their lax security led to the poison being used so it is their fault in either case... no you can't see any evidence... a month or two later two more people are poisoned and one of them dies... no motive for Russia to do this but of course the same poison was involved so they must be guilty...

Lets forget the fact that since the first poisoning it has been revealed that the poison was never developed in Russia... it was a Soviet poison developed in one of the Stans that is now friendly with the US and most of the design team now work in the US and there are dozens of patents for said poison group... not only that it has been widely synthesised in the west.... but the west is good... it could only be for defensive purposes because there is no way the west would ever sink to the level of false flag events for economic or political purposes right?

The most deadly nerve agent known to man... 8-10 times more potent than VX military grade toxins and one in five people in contact died eventually...

Based on my observations I would say the genetic lying thing was a western problem... humans do lie but are generally sophisticated enough to make their lies believable... westerners don't even seem to bother these days... they benefit from the result so they must have engineered it... because if we were in their place that is exactly what we would have done...

Why does it seem like there is zero political will in Russia to demolish these 5th column institutions? despite the already tense situation with NATO, I do not see any more meaningful gain by playing along with the West. All Patriotic forces of Russia needs to move in and sweep these traitorous scumbags away forever. That is, if there is anyone in Russia that is actually willing to DO Something about the present dire situation concerning 5th columnist traitors.

Because if they get rid of them they will be replaced and there is a serious risk that getting rid of the old guard might let in some new blood that is actually more competent and could use sympathy from the old guard being so badly treated in this free and fair country where everyone has a right to an opinion... even when financially paid from by another government.

Better the devil you know...

and lets face it... often the best way to make the west look bad is to let it speak and tell you what to do without any authority to do so other than their own personal feelings of superiority.

The EU loves to tell other countries what laws they should or should not have... what morality is acceptable... and why you should trade with them and not with anyone else... let them speak... some people are stupid but most realise they are not getting what is promised.

Of course in an extreme case like the Ukraine... how long can they believe all their problems come from Russia... especially when all economic and political ties are now pretty much cut... who can they blame for their problems now... themselves... and the west who promised prosperity like they are promising the people of Venezuela right now too... just have a little coup and let us absorb all your valuable assets and everything will be fine...

Russia could act in some cases but most of the time it is best to let people... adults make mistakes.... talk about it sensibly and then come to the right decision sensibly.

Russia could have invaded the Ukraine and forced its way but then it is so easy to blame any problems on Russia... an ongoing civil war that lasts for years would be terribly damaging for both countries... which the west would get a hard on for immediately... they don't give a shit about the Ukraine, so seeing Russia suffer would be worth a few million Ukrainian lives in their opinion...

Even when peace is declared Russia doesn't have the money to fix the Ukraine in any reasonable time frame... so who would get the blame when the trains don't run on time or there is a shortage of bananas in the shops...

Sometimes it is best to let adults make their own choices and when the consequences start to bite... just have a chat about alternatives like dumping the west and reopening the border with Russia and resuming all that mutually beneficial trade... but even if that happened tomorrow it wont be the same... Russia wont make big orders for ships or ship engines or helicopter engines or transport aircraft from the Ukraine any more... they have their own alternatives already in motion to replace all that... sorry and there is a food surplus so food exports don't look so fantastic either... sorry ukraine... you snooze, you lose. And that can be part of the message to other places wanting to go west and drop Russia as an ally because of promises...

It is like North Korea... America is saying.... get rid of all the weapons we respect and fear... weapons that stop us invading countries and ripping them to shreds like Libya and Syria... and you can become wealthy... is that like the promise in the late 1980s to the Soviet Union... get rid of communism and be welcomed into the international community and become a wealthy super power that you always should have been...

North Koreas path to wealth starts with being a trade link component from Japan to South Korea, through North Korea to China and Russia to Europe by train... the EU is a large block of countries with money and Asia is a growing economy too... trade between them will be enormous and being able to get goods to and from those two areas will make trade much cheaper... it wont effect asian trade with the US or EU trade with the US so the US is going to do everything it can to destroy it as an option... even though it is in NKs best interests the US will do everything it can to kill it...

That I'm aware of. I just love though how foolish these people are and how unrepresented they are. They have no real player who supports them. So all they can do is talk or protest to get their 2 mins of Fame and they are gone.

It is pretty simple to work out what you need to say (in English) to western media to become a person worth quoting for one of their news bites... tell them what they want to hear and they will come back to you every time... Pavel Felgenhauer and many other people with no qualification to talk about the Russian military except having a Russian name is an excellent case in point where if you say what they want to hear they will keep talking to you and you become their go to expert...