Russian Economy General News: #10

I´m sure this special australian package deal for 12 subs includes some nice positions for politicians = bribery.

miketheterrible wrote:How little you know: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwju7a6rqNLgAhVmCDQIHafoCTIQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fbusiness%2F2014%2Fjun%2F10%2Faccounting-drugs-prostitution-uk-economy-gdp-eu-rules&psig=AOvVaw1yEc0YmYTC-08IQRF4QJQ7&ust=1551027098829571

I never denied that part. That said, 5% is more than I expected... my point was that we don't know if Russia has been doing something similar, especially as drugs and prostitution were only some of the things that were included. But whatever...

Austin wrote:Russia defence budget in terms of PPP

https://romeosquared.eu/2018/06/04/russias-military-budget-has-nothing-to-do-with-the-gdp-of-spain/

This is a great summary. There are some mistakes here and there, but the author makes it quite clear that Russia's PPP GDP is comparable to Germany, so I don't see the problem. For one thing I'm not sure that the Soviet economy was smaller than (West?) Germany and France combined, certainly not before the late 80s. Is he really using PPP?

Hmm... maybe that's not too far off though, the Soviet economy was maybe 40-50% of the US by the late 80s, and French and German populations were relatively larger back then, compared to the US that is. But overall the USSR was the second largest economy in the world, atleast until a few years before its dissolution, so his argument is misleading either way.

It's also clearly true that if Germany increased it spending to 4% of GDP it still wouldn't be able to go head-to-head with Russia in the short or medium term and they'd still have to import some very expensive stuff, which would make PPP comparisons somewhat less accurate anyway. But the view that Russia's military budget is roughly comparable to the UK, France and Germany combined has a lot of face validity and I came to the same conclusion years ago.

Hole wrote:I´m sure this special australian package deal for 12 subs includes some nice positions for politicians = bribery.

Corruption in the west is rampant. But the optics are better managed than in 2nd and 3rd world countries. If the mass media
does not harp about, the public is basically unaware. The flip side of this propaganda coin is that fools are easily agitated into
action against their own best interests in Russia and elsewhere in the name of fighting corruption. These fools should be shipped
off to the west by the million. Let them taste the fresh air of "non-corrupt western freedom."

I never denied that part. That said, 5% is more than I expected... my point was that we don't know if Russia has been doing something similar, especially as drugs and prostitution were only some of the things that were included. But whatever...

We can assume Russia is doing it because the UK admit to including black market numbers, the Russians don't describe black market numbers as being included but Russians are liars and the Brits are pure and honourable... so if the pure and honourable Brits are padding their numbers the dirty evil Russians will surely be not only doing the same but probably even worse... making shit up...

Is that a fair description of you line of reasoning?

But the view that Russia's military budget is roughly comparable to the UK, France and Germany combined has a lot of face validity and I came to the same conclusion years ago.

What you spend and what you get are two very different things... you just have to look at what the US is spending to see that...

Let them taste the fresh air of "non-corrupt western freedom."

Corruption does not exist in the west because there is denial... right up to the highest level.... and if you make a multi million dollar donation to the Clinton foundation they will give you a certificate to prove you are not corrupt... it also allows you 10 free gropes of interns, with full deniability, and some mouthwash because if you keep your nose up there for too long your face starts to smell of ass.

Report on the Urals economic zone. The claim that only Moscow is developing is BS.

BTW, Ural-Vagon Zavod is 90% automated. The highest automation level for any rolling stock manufacturing plant on the planet.
But I am told Russians can't manage for sh*t and don't have the technology. Upper Volta with nukes and all that....LOL.

Thanks KVS. The lies of the west and some members here (thanks GarryB, was gonna say same thing) will continue to be dispelled. It's harder when Russians spew same nonsense though.

miketheterrible wrote: It's harder when Russians spew same nonsense though.

There will always be some low-life MFer who is willing to sell his nation and people down the shitter for a handful of judas coins. The accursed Seppostani Continuum excels at finding these fckers in targetted nations...

This hint at the beginning, that Nizhni Tagil was set for destruction by a nuclear bomb...

GarryB wrote:We can assume Russia is doing it because the UK admit to including black market numbers, the Russians don't describe black market numbers as being included but Russians are liars and the Brits are pure and honourable... so if the pure and honourable Brits are padding their numbers the dirty evil Russians will surely be not only doing the same but probably even worse... making shit up...

Is that a fair description of you line of reasoning?

Actually, no.

But yeah, it's not farfetched to think that including some of those sectors is increasingly the standard practice in many countries. In fact, they probably should be included, atleast in some cases, that is how GDP works, no? This whole "debate" is beyond pointless, because it really doesn't make that much of a difference either way.

So are you saying that the Brits are dirty evil liars and the Russians are pure and honourable? Is that what you're saying? Probably not? This is stupid, please don't put words in my mouth.

Big_Gazza wrote:

miketheterrible wrote: It's harder when Russians spew same nonsense though.

There will always be some low-life MFer who is willing to sell his nation and people down the shitter for a handful of judas coins.  The accursed Seppostani Continuum excels at finding these fckers in targetted nations...  

That I'm aware of. I just love though how foolish these people are and how unrepresented they are. They have no real player who supports them. So all they can do is talk or protest to get their 2 mins of Fame and they are gone.

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/117521/


Non-oil energy exports from Russia to 2018 grew by 11.6%

Low investment activity hinders acceleration of Russia’s economic growth - experts


MOSCOW, February 25. /TASS/. Low investment activity of business is holding back growth in the Russian economy, according to the report on the economic situation in Russia, prepared by experts of the Russian Presidential Academy of National Economy and Public Administration (RANEPA) in cooperation with the Gaidar Institute.

"The recent decisions of international rating agencies that are favorable for Russia are based primarily on the macroeconomic indicators it demonstrates. Judging by the President’s State of the Nation Address to the Federal Assembly, the goal of preventing it from deteriorating is still considered one of the most urgent. However solving another vital task - growth at the expense of growth of investment - raises many more questions," the report said.

This is due to the weak investment activity of the business, the experts wrote, noting that therefore, sharp reaction of the business to events around Baring Vostok investment fund is understandable.

At the same time, the price of both improvements and deterioration of the quality of the internal business climate only grows as traditional for Russia external sources of income for objective (market, technology) or subjective (geopolitical) reasons are under increasing pressure.

"Thus, the EU and the United States ultimately succeeded in making Nord Stream 2 operating on very unfavorable conditions for Gazprom, which will now make it even harder to conduct inevitable talks on transit with Ukraine," experts concluded.

Russia's GDP growth in 2019 could reach 1.7-2%, which is higher than the forecast by the Ministry of Economic Development - 1.3%, according to the report on the economic situation in Russia, prepared by experts.

According to the report since cyclical growth can be considered fairly stable, a serious external and internal negative shock could lead to a slowdown. "In the absence of such negative shocks for the conjuncture or structural component, GDP growth in 2019 will be, according to our estimates, in the range of 1.7-2%," the report said.

According to preliminary data from the Russian State Statistics Service (Rosstat), the country's GDP in 2018 grew by 2.3%, which is the fastest growth rate since 2012. At the same time, according to the Ministry of Economic Development GDP growth in 2019 will reach 1-1.3%.


http://tass.com/economy/1046205

Gaidar institute, which is a US funded organization. They want Russia be run by US as Gaidar (former Russian diplomats who's daughter is a Ukrainian Junta supporter who lives in Ukraine).

They want Russia to be reliant on foreign investment which has proven to be more of a curse than benefit. And it's obvious since Russia is growing more now than when FDI was huge.

So it's easy to just discount the article. Tass just posting garbage.

Gaidar institute, which is a US funded organization

Why does it seem like there is zero political will in Russia to demolish these 5th column institutions? despite the already tense situation with NATO, I do not see any more meaningful gain by playing along with the West. All Patriotic forces of Russia needs to move in and sweep these traitorous scumbags away forever. That is, if there is anyone in Russia that is actually willing to DO Something about the present dire situation concerning 5th columnist traitors.

Russians are lazy bastards who want authorities to do it all for them while the government is lazy and thinks ignoring these organizations is better than acting against them.

Or they keep it so they can monitor who operates within these organizations so it's easier for Intel agency.

Who knows.

But yeah, it's not farfetched to think that including some of those sectors is increasingly the standard practice in many countries. In fact, they probably should be included, atleast in some cases, that is how GDP works, no? This whole "debate" is beyond pointless, because it really doesn't make that much of a difference either way.

Actually no... that is not what I am talking about... it is about stereotype and inuenndo... and of course the ultimate western defence when they finally admit they are worse bastards than they portray their enemies... yeah but everyone does it...

The thing is that most of the time when they paint their enemies as evil they do so by accusing them of doing things that are no where near as bad as what the west has done and continues to do so it really does not make sense ultimately.

So are you saying that the Brits are dirty evil liars and the Russians are pure and honourable?

No.... you are saying the opposite..

The Brits are being dishonest by including things that really should not be included... if there is no tax revenue from prostitution or the illegal drug trade then why could it with businesses that do pay tax and follow rules or drug companies that peddle vastly more lethal sedatives that are legally prescribed by medical professionals and taxes are paid on the manufacture and sale thereof.

The Russians have not said they include their black market in their figures... why do you believe Britain being bad and Russia doing the right thing that most other countries do?

Because Russians are genetically disposed to be bad... they can't help it... is the western stereotype... so when the west is accused of being bad they can claim to be no worse than anyone else... in fact imagine a world where Russia or China was in charge... despite neither of those countries ever trying to achieve this... it is only the west that tries to dominate the world... they are the real bond villain but that never appears in their movies.

This is stupid, please don't put words in my mouth.

Please come up with better reasoning than the Russians are lying because the Brits admit to doing the wrong thing so the Russians must be doing the same wrong thing.

The Russians might be lying, but innuendo and suggestion are not proof... I realise Putin is guilty of murder in the west based on such flimsy evidence... one of his vocal critics dies of Polonium poisoning... it is in Putins interests for this guy to die therefore Putin poisoned him with Polonium.

Three people in Britain are poisoned by a rare obscure poison we are told only Russia has so the Russians must be guilty of either attempting to kill them or their lax security led to the poison being used so it is their fault in either case... no you can't see any evidence... a month or two later two more people are poisoned and one of them dies... no motive for Russia to do this but of course the same poison was involved so they must be guilty...

Lets forget the fact that since the first poisoning it has been revealed that the poison was never developed in Russia... it was a Soviet poison developed in one of the Stans that is now friendly with the US and most of the design team now work in the US and there are dozens of patents for said poison group... not only that it has been widely synthesised in the west.... but the west is good... it could only be for defensive purposes because there is no way the west would ever sink to the level of false flag events for economic or political purposes right?

The most deadly nerve agent known to man... 8-10 times more potent than VX military grade toxins and one in five people in contact died eventually...

Based on my observations I would say the genetic lying thing was a western problem... humans do lie but are generally sophisticated enough to make their lies believable... westerners don't even seem to bother these days... they benefit from the result so they must have engineered it... because if we were in their place that is exactly what we would have done...

Why does it seem like there is zero political will in Russia to demolish these 5th column institutions? despite the already tense situation with NATO, I do not see any more meaningful gain by playing along with the West. All Patriotic forces of Russia needs to move in and sweep these traitorous scumbags away forever. That is, if there is anyone in Russia that is actually willing to DO Something about the present dire situation concerning 5th columnist traitors.

Because if they get rid of them they will be replaced and there is a serious risk that getting rid of the old guard might let in some new blood that is actually more competent and could use sympathy from the old guard being so badly treated in this free and fair country where everyone has a right to an opinion... even when financially paid from by another government.

Better the devil you know...

and lets face it... often the best way to make the west look bad is to let it speak and tell you what to do without any authority to do so other than their own personal feelings of superiority.

The EU loves to tell other countries what laws they should or should not have... what morality is acceptable... and why you should trade with them and not with anyone else... let them speak... some people are stupid but most realise they are not getting what is promised.

Of course in an extreme case like the Ukraine... how long can they believe all their problems come from Russia... especially when all economic and political ties are now pretty much cut... who can they blame for their problems now... themselves... and the west who promised prosperity like they are promising the people of Venezuela right now too... just have a little coup and let us absorb all your valuable assets and everything will be fine...

Russia could act in some cases but most of the time it is best to let people... adults make mistakes.... talk about it sensibly and then come to the right decision sensibly.

Russia could have invaded the Ukraine and forced its way but then it is so easy to blame any problems on Russia... an ongoing civil war that lasts for years would be terribly damaging for both countries... which the west would get a hard on for immediately... they don't give a shit about the Ukraine, so seeing Russia suffer would be worth a few million Ukrainian lives in their opinion...

Even when peace is declared Russia doesn't have the money to fix the Ukraine in any reasonable time frame... so who would get the blame when the trains don't run on time or there is a shortage of bananas in the shops...

Sometimes it is best to let adults make their own choices and when the consequences start to bite... just have a chat about alternatives like dumping the west and reopening the border with Russia and resuming all that mutually beneficial trade... but even if that happened tomorrow it wont be the same... Russia wont make big orders for ships or ship engines or helicopter engines or transport aircraft from the Ukraine any more... they have their own alternatives already in motion to replace all that... sorry and there is a food surplus so food exports don't look so fantastic either... sorry ukraine... you snooze, you lose. And that can be part of the message to other places wanting to go west and drop Russia as an ally because of promises...

It is like North Korea... America is saying.... get rid of all the weapons we respect and fear... weapons that stop us invading countries and ripping them to shreds like Libya and Syria... and you can become wealthy... is that like the promise in the late 1980s to the Soviet Union... get rid of communism and be welcomed into the international community and become a wealthy super power that you always should have been...

North Koreas path to wealth starts with being a trade link component from Japan to South Korea, through North Korea to China and Russia to Europe by train... the EU is a large block of countries with money and Asia is a growing economy too... trade between them will be enormous and being able to get goods to and from those two areas will make trade much cheaper... it wont effect asian trade with the US or EU trade with the US so the US is going to do everything it can to destroy it as an option... even though it is in NKs best interests the US will do everything it can to kill it...

Thank you Garry.

Kimmpis forgets in his flimsy argument is that there is actual documentation proof of Britian adding in black market goods transactions as GDP numbers while there isn't in Russia. Actually, it's the opposite where Russia admits grey economy is huge and worth X amount yet it isn't included in their overall economic numbers as they claim it is more of a loss than a gain.

But somehow he comes to this conclusion that Russia must be doing the same. Without any evidence.

As for the other statement, only issue with the Ukraine argument is that Ukrainians actually believe that Russia is the Nazi state (even though they themselves parade around with Swastikas) and are attacking them even though evidence dictates it is not the case. So they will never blame themselves or anyone other than Russia from here to infinity

That I'm aware of. I just love though how foolish these people are and how unrepresented they are. They have no real player who supports them. So all they can do is talk or protest to get their 2 mins of Fame and they are gone.

It is pretty simple to work out what you need to say (in English) to western media to become a person worth quoting for one of their news bites... tell them what they want to hear and they will come back to you every time... Pavel Felgenhauer and many other people with no qualification to talk about the Russian military except having a Russian name is an excellent case in point where if you say what they want to hear they will keep talking to you and you become their go to expert...

miketheterrible wrote:
But somehow he comes to this conclusion that Russia must be doing the same.

I never said that. But whatever... I'm done with this topic. Look, it's not like I WANT you to be wrong on this. EDIT: Nor do I think you are necessarily wrong.

So the thesis is that Russia overestimates its GDP. Wow. Looks like we have a NATO troll spinning the narratives
of his bosses.

If Russia is so poor, then prove it with facts on the ground. Unlike the "super-rich" USA, Russia does not have any
shanty towns in major cities were the dirt poor migrate to from the destitute provinces. People with a brain and
a clue know that every major town and city in Russia is undergoing a revival compared to the 1980-2000 period.

In the other thread we have a clown posting the BS that Russia's population is "actually" 89 million. So that
means that the GDP per capita is 65% higher than the official figures. So which is it? Do the fakers at GKS
fake the population numbers or the GDP? Why not both?

Kimppis wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:
But somehow he comes to this conclusion that Russia must be doing the same.

I never said that. But whatever... I'm done with this topic. Look, it's not like I WANT you to be wrong on this. EDIT: Nor do I think you are necessarily wrong.

You said that Russia could be doing the same. That's what you said. Issue is, saying something is one thing, proving it is another. And I provided proof of UK doing it. None on Russia, but the contrary where they do not count grey economy.

That was probably the shittiest video South Front has ever done.

Video made on info from some individual they didnt name.

VAT taxes while industrial production down?  Industrial production is on the rise even if the growth is lower than it was month prior in overall growth (no such thing as perpetual growth).  Pension reform was needed but people bitched anyway without realizing that they are getting their western based structure they always wanted.

Another major flaw with this video is the claim of corruption increasing in the regional governor's.

Reason it seems that way is because they are being arrested or investigated. It's the whole "we don't see it so it must not have existed before Putin" nonsense being pushed by South Front. If a tree falls in a forest but no one was around to see it, did it make a sound?

I can go on but holy shit this was a terrible video.