Syrian War: News #21

2 of Sultan Erdogan's Ottoman soldiers KIA in Idlib today. ATGM blew up their tank.

https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/fa01y2/2_turkish_soldiers_kia_in_saas_attack_today/

M5 has been cut off, SAA may have to stop the operation and redeploy to counter these gains

SeigSoloyvov wrote:M5 has been cut off, SAA may have to stop the operation and redeploy to counter these gains

No worries. Russian jets and artillery will bomb them out of M5 again. Shortly. M4 op continues full steam ahead.

Video of claimed to be Russian snipers in action at link. Mesmerizing.



https://twitter.com/Souria4Syrians/status/1232792162900856833


Current map

The most southern idlib front was important too , their plans was to capture it and advance to m4 highway.. this will allow them to reinforce the forces fighting in the west of sara.. and move towards western idlib..
For the syrian army to win.. against a much bigger army like turkey , it can't go ,in Blitzkrieg mode , at the expense of too many casualties..  which is what turkey have been doing sacrificing a lot of soldiers in order to take
cities.. which later will be retaken by Russian airforce grinding them.. at a slower pace..  just somewhere i read ,
that in the first day in nayrab turkey lost 250+ soldiers and syrian army lost none...  in the second counter attack their casualties were in the 400+ and syrian army just a few dozens..  If Turkey keep sacrificing so many terrorist..in phyrric victories.. he will be out of the race very soon .. will not reach the goal.. because contrary
to what erdogan might thing.. the idlib war will not end with recapturing idlib again ,all lost territory since syrian offensive.. Russian airforce and SAA artillery will keep grinding turkey backed troops and if necessary they can burn to the ground an entire city with terrorist inside..

Turkey latest advances was rushing to the cities regardless of casualties and using endless tow missiles on SAA.
the way to counter that is expensive , Russia will need at least 200 t-75b3 to counter big waves of terrorist with AT guided weapons and least 100 bombers with drones ,to grind any terrorist that move for 24 hours.. to keep turns of at least 10 bombers in the air at all times..  in the SARA city zone..

Russia should fight a very long war  .not a fast one..  time is against erdogan , and the more time last the conflict. the more turkey economy and erdogan popularity will sink.. when Russia and China which are the major trading partners of turkey start pressuring turkey economy..  it was russian sanctions on turkey tourism and trade ,what made erdogan apologize with putin... whatever it happens.. even if americans finance the war.. of erdogan.. russia and china can sink the turkey economy to a total depression and erdogan threatens a civil war against him.. when millions turks start losing their jobs and he continue locked in a war in syria. it will be the collapse of turkey economy ,what will convince him to leave syria.. when long lines for bread start in turkey ..his
popularity will collapse.

Video of claimed to be Russian snipers in action at link. Mesmerizing.



https://twitter.com/Souria4Syrians/status/1232792162900856833

and erdogan will never get peace in idlib.. his alqaeda buddies and military will be hunted in idlib..
not only by airforce ,but by secret operations like that.. the erdo terrorist are very spread ,across idlib
and that makes them vulnerable to sniper attacks.

Hawash has been captured by anti Muslim Brotherhood coaltion

Vann7 wrote:
The most southern idlib front was important too , their plans was to capture it and advance to m4 highway.. this will allow them to reinforce the forces fighting in the west of sara.. and move towards western idlib..
For the syrian army to win.. against a much bigger army like turkey , it can't go ,in Blitzkrieg mode , at the expense of too many casualties..  which is what turkey have been doing sacrificing a lot of soldiers in order to take
cities.. which later will be retaken by Russian airforce grinding them.. at a slower pace..  just somewhere i read ,
that in the first day in nayrab turkey lost 250+ soldiers and syrian army lost none...  in the second counter attack their casualties were in the 400+ and syrian army just a few dozens..  If Turkey keep sacrificing so many terrorist..in phyrric victories.. he will be out of the race very soon .. will not reach the goal.. because contrary
to what erdogan might thing.. the idlib war will not end with recapturing idlib again ,all lost territory since syrian offensive.. Russian airforce and SAA artillery will keep grinding turkey backed troops and if necessary they can burn to the ground an entire city with terrorist inside..

Turkey latest advances was rushing to the cities regardless of casualties and using endless tow missiles on SAA.
the way to counter that is expensive , Russia will need at least 200 t-75b3 to counter big waves of terrorist with AT guided weapons and least 100 bombers with drones ,to grind any terrorist that move for 24 hours.. to keep turns of at least 10 bombers in the air at all times..  in the SARA city zone..

Russia should fight a very long war  .not a fast one..  time is against erdogan , and the more time last the conflict. the more turkey economy and erdogan popularity will sink.. when Russia and China which are the major trading partners of turkey start pressuring turkey economy..  it was russian sanctions on turkey tourism and trade ,what made erdogan apologize with putin... whatever it happens.. even if americans finance the war.. of erdogan.. russia and china can sink the turkey economy to a total depression and erdogan threatens a civil war against him.. when millions turks start losing their jobs and he continue locked in a war in syria. it will be the collapse of turkey economy ,what will convince him to leave syria.. when long lines for bread start in turkey ..his
popularity will collapse.

If I were Putin I send some Russian army into Saraqib so they don't dare attack it lest they face the entire Russian army and I mean thousands of artillery landing at Tartus.

JohninMK wrote:Video of claimed to be Russian snipers in action at link. Mesmerizing.
https://twitter.com/Souria4Syrians/status/1232792162900856833

Here is YouTube version for those with fickle tablets:

If I were Putin I send some Russian army into Saraqib so they don't dare attack it lest they face the entire Russian army and I mean thousands of artillery landing at Tartus.

You have to remember that Russia face a micro world war 3 in Syria..
is not only Turkey military and their alqaeda allies.. what Russia face..
but US ,Israel and UK and major nato powers who are significantly aiding Erdogan and his terrorist ,
with political support ,military support.. economic support ,satellite intelligence and with pressure
on Russian and syrian economy .  just weeks ago the blow up a pipeline in syrian coast.. that wasn't done
by alqaeda ,but by nato or israel special navy operations.. they attacking with drones Syria oil refineries..too..
so they want to completely destroy Syria economy , so drag russian economy in their help of syria when they need to feed them and finance them for free.

So Putin need to keep a close watch on the economic spending in the conflict.. otherwise Russia economy
could end destroyed.. which is the most important objective of US in syria.. to break russia economy..
so once you remember always that.. then Russia needs to avoid such scenario and be careful with the military size of their support.. if they send a major army there.. and they get killed in the hundreds.. or thousands..
this will help the Russian opposition at home ,to organize major protest and demand the government to leave Syria..and so experience civil unrest.

that said. the war will not end with Turkey or Russia , capturing all idlib..  as long erdogan continue sending its military and terrorist to fight SAA ,the war could last 10 years or 20.. if americans keep helping erdogan to prolong the war..

The war will end ,when erdogan pay a big price for his criminal actions in syria , and that could happen under economic damages beyond repair in turkey economy ,and losing support at home over a long war with so many casualties of turkey army.. or the war could end ,when Russia declare war on turkey and wipe it out their country naval and airforces in such a way.. that the military will not want to continue fighting.. and negotiate a surrender to russia. So is not a contest.. where you win by capturing x or y territory..  since territorial gains can be reversed.. what matters is to hold .. to last.. to continue fighting and with the upperhand inflicting major damage on turkey side ,with very minimal losses. When the damages for turkey economy becomes too high..and popularity sinks.. he will backdown.. in syria.. since he needs to trade with russia and china.

Vann7 wrote:

If I were Putin I send some Russian army into Saraqib so they don't dare attack it lest they face the entire Russian army and I mean thousands of artillery landing at Tartus.

You have to remember that Russia face a micro world war 3 in Syria..
is not only Turkey military and their alqaeda allies.. what Russia face..
but US ,Israel and UK and major nato powers who are significantly aiding Erdogan and his terrorist ,
with political support ,military support.. economic support ,satellite intelligence and with pressure
on Russian and syrian economy .  just weeks ago the blow up a pipeline in syrian coast.. that wasn't done
by alqaeda ,but by nato or israel special navy operations.. they attacking with drones Syria oil refineries..too..
so they want to completely destroy Syria economy , so drag russian economy in their help of syria when they need to feed them and finance them for free.

So Putin need to keep a close watch on the economic spending in the conflict.. otherwise Russia economy
could end destroyed.. which is the most important objective of US in syria.. to break russia economy..
so once you remember always that.. then Russia needs to avoid such scenario and be careful with the military size of their support.. if they send a major army there.. and they get killed in the hundreds.. or thousands..
this will help the Russian opposition at home ,to organize major protest and demand the government to leave Syria..and so experience civil unrest.

that said. the war will not end with Turkey or Russia , capturing all idlib..  as long erdogan continue sending its military and terrorist to fight SAA ,the war could last 10 years or 20.. if americans keep helping erdogan to prolong the war..

The war will end ,when erdogan pay a big price for his criminal actions in syria , and that could happen under economic damages beyond repair in turkey economy ,and losing support at home over a long war with so many casualties of turkey army.. or the war could end ,when Russia declare war on turkey and wipe it out their country naval and airforces in such a way.. that the military will not want to continue fighting.. and negotiate a surrender to russia. So is not a contest.. where you win by capturing x or y territory..  since territorial gains can be reversed.. what matters is to hold .. to last.. to continue fighting and with the upperhand inflicting major damage on turkey side ,with very minimal losses. When the damages for turkey economy becomes too high..and popularity sinks.. he will backdown.. in syria.. since he needs to trade with russia and china.

Russia ask KSA, UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Jordan. Oman form grand anti Muslim Brotherhood coalition. Erdogan's days are numbered. He pissed everyone off. Now the wolves will eat him alive. The US will never help Erdogan. The way he tossed Trump's letter in the garbage bin. He insulted Trump. Trump have his guts for gutters.

PapaDragon wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Video of claimed to be Russian snipers in action at link. Mesmerizing.
https://twitter.com/Souria4Syrians/status/1232792162900856833

Here is YouTube version for those with fickle tablets:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQfRDzmtGk

Warms the cockles of me heart, it do....

Video of claimed to be Russian snipers in action at link. Mesmerizing.

The portion where you can see the troops shooting in front of the camera slow moving large projectiles looks like a 40mm under barrel grenade attack....

Russia ask KSA, UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Jordan. Oman form grand anti Muslim Brotherhood coalition. Erdogan's days are numbered. He pissed everyone off. Now the wolves will eat him alive. The US will never help Erdogan. The way he tossed Trump's letter in the garbage bin. He insulted Trump. Trump have his guts for gutters.  

That actually is not a bad idea..
you just gave me a new form to increase the isolation of turkey from  trading in middle east..
just late last night ,read an article where Saudi Arabia was speaking about restoring relations with Syria .    Saudi Arabia hates muslim brotherhood as much as Assad . it was created by UK and US ,to keep in check Saudi Arabia ..  to remove the saudi family if they stop being cooperative with american and british interest.


I really think Putin should try that.. Saudi Arabia itself ,its foreign minister told in the media was evaluating
making an alliance with Russia.. allowing a Russian military base in his country , and buying S-400s..      so no.. im not naive. .saudis were aiding ISIS in syria and turkey and qatar aiding alqaeda.. Saudi king jr.. told to washington post ,that the cia was in control of the wahabbist in his country.. and encouraged them to leave them alone. ..Saudi Junior king have been sending tons , mountains of signals ,that is ready to open his country and make it more secular..  

Saudi government to build churches in Saudi Arabia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbk3jUCjVmc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_aVhy-v0BE        
 

So is worth of trying , Saudi arabia can be influenced into becoming a secular country ,they themselves
gave signals about this. for Russian diplomacy and very bad for US and Israel and the terrorist muslim brotherhood..  and it will end the war in yemen too ,because Saudi Arabia will be offered guarantees by Russia ,that they will not fight more them.. so a real potential alliance will go like this..  Saudi Arabia ,bahrain ,UAE ,jordan ,Egypt ,Iraq aligned with Russia and even they restore relations with iran.. to full align with Russia interest.. in change all those nations get fully modernized their militaries to defend their sovereignty and independence.. .to stop NATO and erdogan ambitions of an ottoman empire.. and Turkey and Qatar will be alone. In FAct Russia can start a siege with help of iran and egypt on every ship that goes to turkey..blocking qatar and turkey naval trade through those straits..  egyptian army and saudi arabia can also send 20k troops to help syria stop turkey.. with Russian airforce full support.. This will be very important ,because will allow egypt and saudis to train their soldiers ,how to fight Against US ,UK and Israel  backed muslim brotherhood..

Already Saudi Arabia either requested or already opened their embassy in damascus.. and they offered to help
rebuilding the country.  

So Putin needs to move quick , and replace his relation with Erdogan for Saudi Jr. king.. and offer them air defenses to protect against americans and get IRAN and Saudis to restore their relations.. such kind of alliance
will worry a lot Erdogan ,because will have no one to trade in the zone.. and all turkey imports blocked in egypt channel and in hormus strait.. to maximum pressure on turkey economy for his war on Syria..  already Russia and France. .are fighting the muslim brotherhood in lybia.. so now you get the point. .Russia ,France and Germany completely replace US and UK influence in the zone.. and block the interest of the muslim brotherhood ,which is a terrorist organization officially under law in Russia ,in egypt , in syria ,in saudi arabia.

Syria has been unfortunate. On the one side it has Israel - a project intent on the destruction of the Syrian state, which does not allow Syria to pivot to the West successfully for protection. As a result it has to deal with Russia as an ally - bottom of the barrel last resort option... tough luck.

Looks pretty much confirmed. Videos out there showing walking round the center of town and under the M4/5 junction bridges. Lots of armour and ammo etc captured. SAA running to fight another day by the look of it.

Also looks like a night attack so definite upgrade in sensors going on, one area the Turks could definitely help in. Its going to be much harder to get it back than it was to get it in the first place now the terrorists are not on the back foot. This is now a big problem for the SAA. Mind you this success probably takes a bit of pressure off Erdogan.

Another feat of absolute fuckup by the SAA, how did they survive this long is something that will be studied by generations of evolutionary biologist

ATLASCUB wrote:Syria has been unfortunate. On the one side it has Israel - a project intent on the destruction of the Syrian state, which does not allow Syria to pivot to the West successfully for protection. As a result it has to deal with Russia as an ally - bottom of the barrel last resort option... tough luck.

Can you only imagine insanely desperate misery that Russia feels due to being stuck with Syrians?

Page about buyer's remorse on Wikipedia is probably just a link to article about Russian ops in Syria

Like I said, Putin should have stationed a small force, say a squad, in Saraqib. They wouldn't dare shell Saraqib if that were the case or else they face thousands of Russian artillery landing at Tartus and they be fucked. It is Putin's long war strategy that caused this. Meh. Now we are back to square 1 and get ready for a Hundred Years War scenario.

Russian jet bombed 3 Turkish artillery forward observers to death today. Turkish artillery narrowly missed Russian TV news crew in Saraqib yesterday. Looks like the real war is starting soon. Think Vietnam, Iraq, or even Hundred Years War. As long as Erdogan is in power, there will be war in Syria. Erdogan vowed to pray in Damascus mosque. So he has to conquer Damascus.

https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/fab9wo/three_turkish_army_members_killed_and_many_more/

Putin decided to remove Erdogan from office and install a Russia friendly president in Turkey. Putin cancelled any further talks with Erdogan about Syria. Thousands of Turkish soldiers will die in Syria and Erdogan will be the next Leopoldo Galtieri.

Consolidation

Has Russia given Idlib to Turkey, they need to be bombing them day and night.

Underground chemical weapons lab found in Idlib, don't expect the West or the U.N. to care. The   Used Condoms   White Helmets would call it a baby formula factory.