Syrian War: News #21

Times like these Russians wish they also have armed drones like the Iranians and Turks do. Bleh

Erddog has released thousands of ISIS terrorists onto Europe, Europe you get what you sow, Europe should have never supported the US and should have never let Turkey black mail them.

But we all know that it is the bankers that run Europe.

par far wrote:Erddog has released thousands of ISIS terrorists onto Europe, Europe you get what you sow, Europe should have never supported the US and should have never let Turkey black mail them.

But we all know that it is the bankers that run Europe.

Eastern Europeans are wild. They shoot dead illegals who try to enter. Eastern Europeans are not liberal.

Good to see SAA finally camo their arti. But drones with thermal can still spot them. They should bring some MANPADS like Igla to take down slow poke drones. At night they'll need radar guided SAM to take down drones. Good thing EU imposed arms sanction on Turkey a few months ago so Turkey can't replace drone losses.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Article Five only comes into play if you are attacked on home soil etc your boys getting killed in a foreign land doesn't mean shit. Its amazing I have to explain something so grade school.

and this is the theory.. but treaties ,laws vs reality are different things..

Russia can invade Estonia next week and take in in less than 24 hours.. plant the russian flag there..
and americans will do nothing.. they will bark , they will scream.. they will do sanctions ,but in the end
they will NOT fight..  they will never go to a war they can't win.. and will be kicked their ass.. this is why ukraine will never be allowed to be part of NATO.   never ...  because ukraine of very high propability of conflict with russia and is a zone US military will be in a huge  disadvantage , and russia can kick americans very easily from there..   the black sea is another place will be bad for us navy to fight.  and so they will prefer to not go there. NATO had all the opportunties in the world for 20 years to make ukraine a member ,when ukraine had crimea.. and they didn't do it..  american treaties are shaped in a form that will always benefit
them and only them.. and fighting russia right next to its borders is not good for them.. is suicide. they welcome
the baltics into NATO only because they know there will be no conflict there.. same with norway.

Russia neither will commit suicide ,and invade long island for example.. and fight american there.
because there US can deploy an overwhelming force , that is not prepared to handle. so article 5 is bullshit..
on paper.. all that you need to know ,is what is beneficial for US and what is not.. and a full scale war with russia
for territory that is far away from home is not beneficial for US. Article 5 will only be implemented ,
if pentagon benefits from it..if it is good for united states. but a nuclear war with russia ,defending nations
they dont care at all , is not good.

article 5 will only be implemented.. if pentagon generals understand they have a chance to win with acceptable consequences. Syria attacked turkey , in 2011 , shot down one turkey plane... and Erdogan wanted to get nato interfere..and they did nothing.  they had a big opportunity there to declare article 5 and did nothing... they had another big opportunity to declare article 5 with iran attack on US bases and hundred american injured and again NOTHING happened.. .  article 5 will only be supported IF american government understand is good for their interest in that moment to declare war on that country. It should have been very obvious for anyone ,that article 5 is a piece of shit in paper and will not matter at all , US will go to war ,only if they know ,they can win..
in an acceptable way. In real practice.. article 5 is a piece of paper american gov use ,to justify war against third world nations.. but is not very useful for a war against nuclear super powers like russia or china.. because they know no one in europe is crazy to fight a nuclear super power ,if americans tells them to do it ,they will not do it and risk their countries being nuked. hence is not surprising that article 5 was first used against
afghanistan.. which is A third world nation.. they will have declared article 5 on syria in a false flag , where turkey attacked and syria blamed for it.. if russia was not there , in fact turkey tried to create such incident to get nato invade syria ,but failed.. simply because US military is not made of fools.. and they will not go to a war they know can end very bad for them. not even iran.. they dared to declare war.. and they had all the pretext to do it.. article 5 ,because bombed american bases.. but nothing happened.. so don't be delusional with pieces of paper.. they mean nothing. and will neither be bound to it.. US will only follow their interest..and what they consider good for them. a war between turkey and russia will be good for US.. they will encourage it.. but they will not dare to join turkey navy and start attacking Russia.. under any scenario .whether article 5 applies or not.

Can't believe Pantsirs were not knocking Bayrakthars down left and right.

https://twitter.com/hocmountain/status/1233190006258327553

remember that syrian pantsirs range is only 15km or 20km at best.. and they can only be deployed behind
the front lines ,in order to shoot down those drones they will have to use longer range air defenses.. also territory
in syria is not flat.. even less idlib ,so there are blind zones ,that turkey military can use to hide from air defenses..
also flying low , hugging terrain in hills land can hide the drones from radars..once SAA capture all m4 and m5 highways.. and go very close to idlib center city , they will move their air defenses much closer to turkey border and closer.

JohninMK wrote:On top of destroyed tanks

Cᴀʟɪʙʀᴇ Oʙsᴄᴜʀᴀ
@CalibreObscura
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Yet *another* tank- a T-55 captured "in the vicinity" of #Saraqib. This brings us to no less than 11 Tanks captured in a couple of days.

syria have more than 5,000 tanks.. just in case..
and this doesn't include the ones russia gave them. naturally losing 11 is bad.. but turkey have lied before
and those videos could be american strikes on saa ,during the past years.. in wars propaganda is part
of it.. to scare the enemy.. remember the claim of "300 russian soldiers" killed by americans ? it was fake..
the only kill count was less than a dozen of russian mercenaries and advisors helping SAA. later russia retaliated
by capturing eastern ghoutta and killing thousands there.. and if we are to believe in chinese media military .. thousands of americans died there.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

This is what I'm talking about. Iran and Turkey have killer drones like that. Best weapon against terrorists. Can't see or hear. Only radar can find. Terrorists don't have radars. Imagine Russia has armed drones. Idlib fall within days.

M.LNA
@LNA2019M    
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#Turkish air defense still burning in occupied Matiga airport.
#Tripoli #Libya #LNA

https://twitter.com/i/status/1233383406957887490

So turkey forces are not doing well either in lybia.. who advice ERdogan ,
in foreign policy had to be jailed.. this is ridiculous that erdogan expect
to capture lybia ,with egypt ,algeria and france fighting against his backed forces and military there

Y.N.M.S
@ynms79797979
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Quoted by the Turkish media
The leader of the Turkish commandos, Major Ahmed Arman, was killed in the vicinity of Saraqib.
Y.N.M.S
@ynms79797979
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An LNA source says they killed 20 Turkish soldiers at Mitiga Airport.

Y.N.M.S
@ynms79797979
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Zaparov, who is the first deputy head of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the Supreme Council of Parliament, said that any large-scale Turkish military operation in the Idlib region of Syria would have a bad end to Ankara itself, by the Russian Interfax news agency.
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Y.N.M.S
@ynms79797979
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Russia threatens Turkey with a bad end in Idlib

A prominent member of the Russian parliament, Vladimir Zaparov, has sent an implicit threat message to Ankara.+++

In Lybia it's also russian spetznaz that train Haftar forces to use Kornets against turks.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Old footage, the trees have high summer foliage...in my opinion.

Isos wrote:In Lybia it's also russian spetznaz that train Haftar forces to use Kornets against turks.

Source? Lot's of interesting informations floating around these last few days.

auslander wrote:

Isos wrote:In Lybia it's also russian spetznaz that train Haftar forces to use Kornets against turks.

Source? Lot's of interesting informations floating around these last few days.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1232419613562015744

Rob Lee
@RALee85
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Allegedly, photos of Russian private military contractors in Ain Zara, Libya. It appears they are not from Wagner but a different PMC operating under a Russian MoD contract related to training fighters on ATGMs, UAVs, and other equipment


Rob Lee
@RALee85
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Photos previously emerged of Libyan fighters with a new Kornet ATGM. Russian PMCs are likely playing a role in training Libyan fighters on Russian equipment. 2/

Isos wrote:In Lybia it's also russian spetznaz that train Haftar forces to use Kornets against turks.

If in syria is hard.. in lybia it will be even more.. because you have algeria ,egypt ,france backing the
anti american ,anti turkey rebels..  and lybia is far from turkey operational range.. they have no way there
to hold..  

when it comes to syria.. it looks russia is preparing for declaring a limited war on turkey..
because erdogan is doubling down and shows no sign of backing down , and is incapable to reason..
for sure the russian military understand that if turkey send a full scale army.. invasion into syria ,that they will have to be stopped by russian airforce.. because threaten the entire advances of syria in 2020 and even 2019..

If Erdogan start a full scale war on syria ..Russia will have 2 options.. pull back from turkey border .. and defeat erdogan in a slow proxy indirect war ,vietnam like ,aiding syria and syria fight turkey or stop playing games and declared limited fight /limited war vs turkey army.. to protect SAA and continue fighting against alqaeda.  whatever they do.. im sure turkey will end wiped.. in syria.. if russia goes the slow way ,is because they aware of major movements inside turkey to remove erdogan in a coup.. and so will be unwise to start a full scale war
in that time.. and damage uprising.

Isos wrote:

auslander wrote:

Isos wrote:In Lybia it's also russian spetznaz that train Haftar forces to use Kornets against turks.

Source? Lot's of interesting informations floating around these last few days.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1232419613562015744

Rob Lee
@RALee85
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25 févr.
Allegedly, photos of Russian private military contractors in Ain Zara, Libya. It appears they are not from Wagner but a different PMC operating under a Russian MoD contract related to training fighters on ATGMs, UAVs, and other equipment


Rob Lee
@RALee85
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25 févr.
Photos previously emerged of Libyan fighters with a new Kornet ATGM. Russian PMCs are likely playing a role in training Libyan fighters on Russian equipment. 2/

Twitter is not a source, it is a social media on which anyone can say anything with no chance of verification.

Twitter is not a source, it is a social media on which anyone can say anything with no chance of verification.

I agree.

But it's not a secret russians are helping Haftar. Sure you won't find classified informations on twitter but those images show russians in Lybia. They are not there for tourism.

Paging Garry. Can you move this Libya stuff to the Libya thread please?

If in syria is hard.. in lybia it will be even more.. because you have algeria ,egypt ,france backing the
anti american ,anti turkey rebels.. and lybia is far from turkey operational range.. they have no way there
to hold..

Algeria is not supporting LNA ,actually she is dealing much more with tripoli GNA but no army support to any side .

ahmedfire wrote:

If in syria is hard.. in lybia it will be even more.. because you have algeria ,egypt ,france backing the
anti american ,anti turkey rebels..  and lybia is far from turkey operational range.. they have no way there
to hold..  

Algeria is not supporting LNA ,actually she is dealing much more with tripoli GNA but no army support to any side .

Algeria fought Islamists for decades. Algeria supports LNA against GNA. GNA is Islamists.

Too much nonsense being written, and a lot of chest beating projections but nothing about the fact that Turkey is picking apart the SAA with UCAV's and Russia has done literally almost nothing to reign that in and outright stop it. And we know it can. Matter of fact it can flatten all of Idlib for that matter. So the question is, why is the SAA becoming cannon fodder in the front lines?

Only a few possibilities: Political games ("smart" thinking), fear of escalation (aka fear), indifference (unlikely). All of the above?

auslander wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Old footage, the trees have high summer foliage...in my opinion.

Olive trees. I think footage from past couple of weeks. There were many Turkish drones in the area shown on the public flight tracker app.

ATLASCUB wrote:Too much nonsense being written but nothing about the fact that Turkey is picking apart the SAA with UCAV's and Russia has done literally almost nothing to reign that in and outright stop it. And we know it can. Matter of fact it can flatten all of Idlib for that matter. So the question is, why is the SAA becoming cannon fodder in the front lines?

Well, those drone attacks were happening over a series of days not a single day. Other issue is too that they are all aware of the drones but no mandate to shoot them down from either Russia or the Syrian authorities. So something is wrong there.

ATLASCUB wrote:Too much nonsense being written, and a lot of chest beating projections but nothing about the fact that Turkey is picking apart the SAA with UCAV's and Russia has done literally almost nothing to reign that in and outright stop it. And we know it can. Matter of fact it can flatten all of Idlib for that matter. So the question is, why is the SAA becoming cannon fodder in the front lines?

Only a few possibilities: Political games ("smart" thinking), fear of escalation (aka fear), indifference (unlikely). All of the above?

These slow poke planes flying slower than WW1 era planes is easy targets for 23 mm and MANPADS which SAA has no shortage of. In Libya they are dropping like flies. Best part is now that EU has arms embargo on Turkey each drone they lose is a drone they cannot replace.