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MLRS BM-30/27 at Khmeimim Air Force Base, March 11, 2020
JohninMK wrote:Is this a real Russian Army unit? Moving in to get some live target practice? What is the camouflage?
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Isos wrote:They should mount those artillery guns on trucks. They are sitting duck for airforce/drones, even for counter baterry fire. They ca't run away fast and the war in Ukraine showed that such towed guns are outdated.
GarryB wrote:Have read reports suggesting towed guns are actually more flexible and mobile and are certainly cheaper and lighter than self propelled guns.
You can also load it with any type of ammo because there are no autoloader restrictions on shell or propellent length.
Well there are degrees... the D-30 howitzer is an excellent piece with three trails that are fixed at 120 degrees from each other giving the gun a full 360 degree field of fire..
Isos wrote:Well there are degrees... the D-30 howitzer is an excellent piece with three trails that are fixed at 120 degrees from each other giving the gun a full 360 degree field of fire..
Even SAA managed to make one. It's the same gun as the towed one but can run away if needed. The cost doesn't change because the towed gun always need a truck to move.
JohninMK wrote:I would suggest that the larger the gun the more problematic on a truck. Due to both its physical size, center of gravity and recoil, the upgrades to the truck base, like 6/8 wheels and ground support, seem to almost grow exponentially. They certainly increase the cost. Perhaps 120-125mm would be an optimum.
US also thought all those MRAPs were more than good when fighting taliban but now that China and Russia became more powerfull they find out the MRAPs suck and need replacement.
Russians are not smarter than US generals and could make the same mistake.
For exemple the pantsir was develop to fight swarm tomahawks attack but not small and slow drones.
Hence why it has troubles fighting drones.
They were focused on fighting US so they developed weapons against them. Now they are focused fighting terrorists and could develop weapons against them that would suck against a conventional army.
A truck mounted gun can be used against guerillas and conventional army. The towed gun would be destroyed in matters of minutes by conventional army armed with 155mm truck mounted guns.
A tracked gun like Msta-S would be very good against conventional army but too expensive against a guerilla.
A truck mounted gun can fight both and survive pretty well.
Now to make that cheaper you take out the turret with the autoloader and just keep the gun. Such systems are good for small country but russia has the Msta-S as main artillery they don't really need it which is not cheap because full of electronics and has an autoloader. But the same with only the gun is very usefull.
A gun is firing or it is moving... it will never do both... these things are not tanks or IFVs and do not have any fire on the move capability.
The Russian army is large... why not have both?
Russia has plans for truck mounted guns....
Shoot and run tactics. An fix position will be found pretty fast and bombed pretty fast. Pantsir and tor can protect against drones but certainly not against artillery salvos.
Even in Ukraine counter battery fire happens in matter of minutes. You have video on youtube of gun/mortar position being attacked after they fired from there.
A fixed gun will also involve 5 or 6 people to man it. All dead if there is a counter battery fire on them.
That's what I suggest.
That's as expensive as the tracked one. I was thinking of something much more simplier to have a light system.
JohninMK wrote:Is this a real Russian Army unit? Moving in to get some live target practice? What is the camouflage?
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