Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #14

I saw posts on Twitter which claim some Photos from of a Russian officer with an Orion (index 14Ts8009) satellite navigation system capable of working with GLONASS or GPS during a recent patrol in Idlib. It appears to show 0 GLONASS satellites were available but 6 GPS satellites were.

Any confirmations ? did Russia used a SAT guided munitions in Syria ?

yes they have been for years, the KAB-500S for example has been used in Syria since like 2014-2015 (Testing purposes)

SeigSoloyvov wrote:yes they have been for years, the KAB-500S for example has been used in Syria since like 2014-2015 (Testing purposes)

Great but why it's showing 0 for Glonass ?

ahmedfire wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:yes they have been for years, the KAB-500S for example has been used in Syria since like 2014-2015 (Testing purposes)

Great but why it's showing 0 for Glonass ?

Russia doesn't have 24/7 GLONASS coverage

For some reason Russia hasnt bothered to build a glonass repeater in Syria yet. If they did then they would be using glonass far more often then. Glonass has 24 sats so it has worldwide coverage for most part but not as accessible 24/7. Repeaters would suffice.

GLONASS coverage is global... in fact in places with mountains like Afghanistan GLONASS is actually better than GPS... and that includes cities with big tall buildings and inside buildings.

Countries near the north pole also get rather better coverage from GLONASS than from GPS which is why countries you would think were anti Russian are still quite interested in GLONASS.

I remember an article about emergency services in the US where they were creating a management system and they chose GLONASS over GPS because in big cities the signal from the GLONASS satellites made the signal more reliable on the ground between large buildings and also inside some buildings.

That obviously created a patriotic shitstorm with politicians complaining that it might compromise the system with Russian input, but the officials stuck to their guns simply because the difference could save lives as they said. I believe the compromise was eventually to make it a fully dual system but to have no indication on the equipment as to which satellite network was being used at any given time.

For the Russian military in Syria GPS would be useless because as they found in Georgia in 2008 the Americans can turn off areas when they please... and they did. They left the military signal on for the georgians to continue murdering south ossetians of course, but they turned off the civilian system in the area.

GLONASS has the full compliment of satellites it is supposed to have to function properly.

I guess it's more easy for Russia to jam GPS .

GPS uses CDMA which means if we used a narrowband interferer to jam a satellite ,we automatically jam all the other satellites since they are on the same carrier.

But Glonass uses FDMA which uses the same code for all satellites but different frequencies ,means if we jammed one satellite , the other satellites would be unaffected .

Also CDMA receivers are more susceptible to Jamming .

I remember an article about emergency services in the US where they were creating a management system and they chose GLONASS over GPS because in big cities the signal from the GLONASS satellites made the signal more reliable on the ground between large buildings and also inside some buildings.

I remember Obama and several congressional members said that Glonass is a threat to national security

JohninMK wrote:Interesting move by Russia. Israel won't like it at all.

BEIRUT, LEBANON (4:40 P.M.) – In a rare move, the Russian Federation gave Iran access to Syria’s Hmeimim Airbase in the western part of the country, a flight tracking app revealed this week.

According to the reports, a Syrian IL-76 cargo aircraft was tracked flying from Tehran’s Mehrabad Airport to the Hmeimim Airbase near the coastal city of Jableh in Syria’s Latakia Governorate. The plane, which mostly travels from Tehran to Damascus, is under the watchful eye of the Israeli military, who has on several occasions attacked the cargo unloaded from the aircraft.

“Israel, with varying success, nevertheless destroyed several military facilities of the Iranian military forces on the territory of Syria and damaged the infrastructure of a number of military bases in order to prevent Iranian aircraft with weapons from landing here; however, Russia provided the Iranian military with the opportunity to use its military airfield in the province of Latakia, thereby challenging Netanyahu, who promised to strike at the Iranian military at any time,” the Russian publication Avia.Pro reported.

“By allowing Iran to use the Khmeimim (var. Hmeimim) airbase, Russia challenged Netanyahu, literally pointing out that just one attempt to attack the Russian military airbase in Syria, regardless of the circumstances, would lead not only to the destruction of Israeli aircraft, but also to strike in Israel itself,” an Avia.Pro expert said.
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Most recently, Israeli Defense Minister Naftali Bennett has vowed to intensify strikes against the Iranian forces in Syria, as Israeli seeks to expel the Islamic Republic from the Arab Republic.

Also Russia gave access to Iran to use Glonass during the last attack on U.S bases , the accuracy was pretty good .

ahmedfire wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Interesting move by Russia. Israel won't like it at all.

BEIRUT, LEBANON (4:40 P.M.) – In a rare move, the Russian Federation gave Iran access to Syria’s Hmeimim Airbase in the western part of the country, a flight tracking app revealed this week.

According to the reports, a Syrian IL-76 cargo aircraft was tracked flying from Tehran’s Mehrabad Airport to the Hmeimim Airbase near the coastal city of Jableh in Syria’s Latakia Governorate. The plane, which mostly travels from Tehran to Damascus, is under the watchful eye of the Israeli military, who has on several occasions attacked the cargo unloaded from the aircraft.

“Israel, with varying success, nevertheless destroyed several military facilities of the Iranian military forces on the territory of Syria and damaged the infrastructure of a number of military bases in order to prevent Iranian aircraft with weapons from landing here; however, Russia provided the Iranian military with the opportunity to use its military airfield in the province of Latakia, thereby challenging Netanyahu, who promised to strike at the Iranian military at any time,” the Russian publication Avia.Pro reported.

“By allowing Iran to use the Khmeimim (var. Hmeimim) airbase, Russia challenged Netanyahu, literally pointing out that just one attempt to attack the Russian military airbase in Syria, regardless of the circumstances, would lead not only to the destruction of Israeli aircraft, but also to strike in Israel itself,” an Avia.Pro expert said.
ALSO READ  Iran releases 100,000 prisoners, including 1,000 foreign nationals: report

Most recently, Israeli Defense Minister Naftali Bennett has vowed to intensify strikes against the Iranian forces in Syria, as Israeli seeks to expel the Islamic Republic from the Arab Republic.

Also Russia gave access to Iran to use Glonass during the last attack on U.S bases , the accuracy was pretty good .

Why would it be worse than GPS? Because Russians cannot into tech? The only possible reason for less accuracy is the total
number of Glonass satellites compared to the GPS number. And given the number of Glonass satellites deployed this is not much
of an issue.

Why would it be worse than GPS? Because Russians cannot into tech? The only possible reason for less accuracy is the total
number of Glonass satellites compared to the GPS number. And given the number of Glonass satellites deployed this is not much
of an issue.

No i didn't mean that , i mean it's comparable to the US system

kvs wrote:

ahmedfire wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Interesting move by Russia. Israel won't like it at all.

BEIRUT, LEBANON (4:40 P.M.) – In a rare move, the Russian Federation gave Iran access to Syria’s Hmeimim Airbase in the western part of the country, a flight tracking app revealed this week.

According to the reports, a Syrian IL-76 cargo aircraft was tracked flying from Tehran’s Mehrabad Airport to the Hmeimim Airbase near the coastal city of Jableh in Syria’s Latakia Governorate. The plane, which mostly travels from Tehran to Damascus, is under the watchful eye of the Israeli military, who has on several occasions attacked the cargo unloaded from the aircraft.

“Israel, with varying success, nevertheless destroyed several military facilities of the Iranian military forces on the territory of Syria and damaged the infrastructure of a number of military bases in order to prevent Iranian aircraft with weapons from landing here; however, Russia provided the Iranian military with the opportunity to use its military airfield in the province of Latakia, thereby challenging Netanyahu, who promised to strike at the Iranian military at any time,” the Russian publication Avia.Pro reported.

“By allowing Iran to use the Khmeimim (var. Hmeimim) airbase, Russia challenged Netanyahu, literally pointing out that just one attempt to attack the Russian military airbase in Syria, regardless of the circumstances, would lead not only to the destruction of Israeli aircraft, but also to strike in Israel itself,” an Avia.Pro expert said.
ALSO READ  Iran releases 100,000 prisoners, including 1,000 foreign nationals: report

Most recently, Israeli Defense Minister Naftali Bennett has vowed to intensify strikes against the Iranian forces in Syria, as Israeli seeks to expel the Islamic Republic from the Arab Republic.

Also Russia gave access to Iran to use Glonass during the last attack on U.S bases , the accuracy was pretty good .

Why would it be worse than GPS?   Because Russians cannot into tech?    The only possible reason for less accuracy is the total
number of Glonass satellites compared to the GPS number.   And given the number of Glonass satellites deployed this is not much
of an issue.  

Ahmedfire did say that GLONASS is better protected against ECM than GPS. So he gave them their just due.

JohninMK wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:More photos from the same incident:

The two guys on the right could be in my photo

Video:

https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1256720225212366848

JohninMK wrote:Last weel a couple of Tu-154? flew from Russia to Syria stopping in Iran. They normally do the trip in one hop when escorting fighters so it looked like this time they were escorting something with a shorter range  but they were going too fast/high for Su-25.

The latest report is that there are now 6 Mig-29 in Syria, so question answered.

Russia allegedly transports 6 Syrian jets to Iran after Israeli attack

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-allegedly-transports-6-syrian-jets-to-iran-after-israeli-attack-media/

Food for guns is certainly food for thought for Terrorists...

Thanks for posting that image... I forgot the main user of 57mm gun ammo is currently the navy, though that will change soon...

Couldn't hope for more at christmas time.... how exciting to unpack that....

Take it for what it's worth. From that guy at "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights"

Report: Russia building new military base in northeast Syria