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Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #14
GarryB- Posts : 40487
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- Post n°177
Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #14
JohninMK Sat May 30, 2020 12:42 pm
Since no-one seems to want to translate that bit of Russian I posted a couple of posts ago. This seems to refer to it.
BEIRUT, LEBANON (11:45 A.M.) – Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree authorizing the Ministries of Defense and Foreign Affairs to conduct negotiations with the Syrian government with the view of handing over of installations and additional marine areas in Syria.
In the decree published on the official portal of legal information on Friday, Putin agreed to the Russian government’s proposal to sign Protocol No. 1 on “the delivery of immovable property and additional marine areas” to the agreement concluded in August 2015 between Moscow and Damascus regarding the deployment of a group of the Russian Air Force in Syria.
The decree was entrusted to the Ministry of Defense, in cooperation with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, “to conduct negotiations with the Syrian side, and to sign it upon reaching an agreement between the two sides on behalf of the Russian Federation.”
The decree allows the two ministries to introduce “changes not of an initial nature” in the draft protocol that the Russian government has ratified.
The Russian military currently controls several bases in Syria, including the Hmeimim Airbase and Tartous Naval Base.
Most recently, the Russian military has taken over a part of the Qamishli International Airport, which officially gives them access to eastern Syria.
BEIRUT, LEBANON (11:45 A.M.) – Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree authorizing the Ministries of Defense and Foreign Affairs to conduct negotiations with the Syrian government with the view of handing over of installations and additional marine areas in Syria.
In the decree published on the official portal of legal information on Friday, Putin agreed to the Russian government’s proposal to sign Protocol No. 1 on “the delivery of immovable property and additional marine areas” to the agreement concluded in August 2015 between Moscow and Damascus regarding the deployment of a group of the Russian Air Force in Syria.
The decree was entrusted to the Ministry of Defense, in cooperation with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, “to conduct negotiations with the Syrian side, and to sign it upon reaching an agreement between the two sides on behalf of the Russian Federation.”
The decree allows the two ministries to introduce “changes not of an initial nature” in the draft protocol that the Russian government has ratified.
The Russian military currently controls several bases in Syria, including the Hmeimim Airbase and Tartous Naval Base.
Most recently, the Russian military has taken over a part of the Qamishli International Airport, which officially gives them access to eastern Syria.
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GarryB wrote:You mean that guy from British intelligence, wouldn't read an article by him for any reason sorry.
Lol sorry mate. It's an Al-Monitor story that refers to his latest statements. But yea I share your reaction to that jihadist sympathizer.
@JohninMK has further reference to the subject. Whatever is happening, seems that the Russian footprint on the ground is expanding all the way across to the north-eastern extreme of Syria. Could be a double-edged sword imo.
On one hand it strengthens their presence on the ground, with the hope of enhancing security and stability. However, this can also lead to further complications in dealing with disparate parties all within the same vicinity, not the least being the Americans whose stated priority is to cause as much disruption to any Russian initiatives as possible. And the Kurds have proven time and again their instinctive allegiance is to Uncle Sam, even if they get thrown under the bus every single time. Not to mention Turkey just mere meters away and actively at war with the Kurdish PKK throughout Northern Syria, Iraq and Iran.
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #14
JohninMK Sat May 30, 2020 10:57 pm
Among many reports of increasing Russian presence in Syria is this photo from Hmeimen, looks like they are running out of space. They probably want the rest of the site, as per Putin's document this week.
If the Kurds are to move towards Russia then seeing increasing numbers of Russians and their positive reception will definitely help. Watch the US burn crops (profit earning potential up in flames) increasing shortages can't help.
If the Kurds are to move towards Russia then seeing increasing numbers of Russians and their positive reception will definitely help. Watch the US burn crops (profit earning potential up in flames) increasing shortages can't help.
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JohninMK wrote:Among many reports of increasing Russian presence in Syria is this photo from Hmeimen, looks like they are running out of space. They probably want the rest of the site, as per Putin's document this week.
What do you mean by the rest of the site? Isn't the entire airport controlled by Russia already as per the lease agreement with Syria? Also, what about the second runway that was being built? Is it completed and functional as yet?
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slasher wrote:JohninMK wrote:Among many reports of increasing Russian presence in Syria is this photo from Hmeimen, looks like they are running out of space. They probably want the rest of the site, as per Putin's document this week.
What do you mean by the rest of the site? Isn't the entire airport controlled by Russia already as per the lease agreement with Syria? Also, what about the second runway that was being built? Is it completed and functional as yet?
The main terminal buildings and the apron in front of it seem to be free of RuAF assets from satellite photos. That was what I was thinking about.
Work seems to have finished on the second runway, they didn't hurry it, but it doesn't appear to have been put into operation. Given that the highest tempo operations there went OK on the single runway they probably don't regard it as vital operationally and a good place to park overflow and SyAF aircraft. In reality they would probably only need if the main runway came under some kind of runway denial attack.
Its a pity that the timing wasn't right for the RuAF to take over one of the custom built SyAF military airfields rather than the virtually unsuitable civilian airport at Hmeimen. Maybe the next Russian move will be in that direction and turn Hmeimen into a satellite.
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Its a pity that the timing wasn't right for the RuAF to take over one of the custom built SyAF military airfields rather than the virtually unsuitable civilian airport at Hmeimen. Maybe the next Russian move will be in that direction and turn Hmeimen into a satellite.
Hmeimim is good enough for Russia on the long term. It's on the coast and near the Tartus naval base.
They will likely keep few su-35, one A-50 and some transport there once the war is over.
A military air base won't give them any advantage over Hmeimim against Israel or Turkey. Terrorist are to weak to attack such base.
Being on the coast, they can concentrate surveillance in only 180° instead of 360°. Also its in Assad territory so population is friendly.
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Isos wrote:
Hmeimim is good enough for Russia on the long term. It's on the coast and near the Tartus naval base.
They will likely keep few su-35, one A-50 and some transport there once the war is over.
A military air base won't give them any advantage over Hmeimim against Israel or Turkey. Terrorist are to weak to attack such base.
Being on the coast, they can concentrate surveillance in only 180° instead of 360°. Also its in Assad territory so population is friendly.
Can't see how proximity to Tartous matters much.
You seriously underestimate the strategic significance of the RuAF being in Syria after the on the ground fighting is over. It will remain a big operational base for at least as long as the IAF is regarded as a threat to Lebanon and Syria probably much longer. Russia did not make this move in the expectation that it would be short term, just look at the 50 year leases. This is the Russian equivalent in many ways to the USAF in Incirlik, breaking out from the US encirclement, causing all kinds of problems.
Lots of advantages to being on a military base rather than a civilian airport. The biggest one is space, both on it and around it, followed by hardened facilities.
So attacks can't come from or over the sea? I suspect the Russians are regarded as friends over much of Syria, probably more than Assad is.
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Proximity with Tartus matters. Easier to bring stuff by boat and quickly into the base than by truck or plane in the middle of the syrian desert. Also the defences can protect both bases at the same time, increasing survivability.
Hardened shelters have no more value when the enemy use guided munitions and Israel/Turks won't attack a russian air base.
Best thing they could do is to send 3 or 4 nuclear armed iskander and let israeli know that the officer in charge there has the freedome to use them in case of an attack. Just like the soviets did when they sent subs to escort ships carrying nuks for Cuba. They were armed with nuk torpedos and the captains were told they are free to use them if they need to without asking the politics/HQ.
After the war, russians will keep fewer planes there. It will be mainly to support SAA againt the remaining pockets of terrorists and certainly not to face Israelis and even less to protect Lebanon/Hezbollah.
Sea is easier to watch than mountainous areas even more when the main threat is terrorists on foot. And they can have the navy to bring AD and radars there with better coverage than on the ground again with mountains around.
You are right to say Hmeimim is kinda too small but it has plenty of other advantages. And if they really wanted another air base they would have changed by today. They are already making one in kurdish area. Syria has plenty of remaining air bases around Damascus if they really wanted to.
Hardened shelters have no more value when the enemy use guided munitions and Israel/Turks won't attack a russian air base.
Best thing they could do is to send 3 or 4 nuclear armed iskander and let israeli know that the officer in charge there has the freedome to use them in case of an attack. Just like the soviets did when they sent subs to escort ships carrying nuks for Cuba. They were armed with nuk torpedos and the captains were told they are free to use them if they need to without asking the politics/HQ.
After the war, russians will keep fewer planes there. It will be mainly to support SAA againt the remaining pockets of terrorists and certainly not to face Israelis and even less to protect Lebanon/Hezbollah.
Sea is easier to watch than mountainous areas even more when the main threat is terrorists on foot. And they can have the navy to bring AD and radars there with better coverage than on the ground again with mountains around.
You are right to say Hmeimim is kinda too small but it has plenty of other advantages. And if they really wanted another air base they would have changed by today. They are already making one in kurdish area. Syria has plenty of remaining air bases around Damascus if they really wanted to.
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A photo from yesterday showing the completed second runway, with an AN-124 using it as a taxiway. Also shows the unused apron in front of the terminal building and the relatively new HAS for the helicopters.
Must be one of the most compact military airfields out there.
Must be one of the most compact military airfields out there.
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Newsfeed article I came across. Haven't seen any other corroborating sources yet so not sure. Did read a couple weeks ago that Syrian Migs were damaged in an Israeli airstrike so could be either repaired or replacements. Another unverified claim was that the damaged aircraft were taken to Iran so could be replacements.
Russia delivers Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 to Syria to tackle Israel`s F-16 Fighting Falcons
Russia delivers Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 to Syria to tackle Israel`s F-16 Fighting Falcons
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #14
JohninMK Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:49 am
They are really loading these Ropucha down now on every trip. Also fast turnround, Novocherkassk 142 was last seen southbound on the 22nd, so down to Syria from the Bosporus, back to Russia then back to the Bosporus in 10 days. Given there is not a lot of fighting/bombing going on this is a whole lot of stuff going into stock for a rainy day.
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Then this morning, definitely even lower in the water, Azov
Also today was, less loaded, LST Saratov 150
Two days ago
Then this morning, definitely even lower in the water, Azov
Also today was, less loaded, LST Saratov 150
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #14
JohninMK Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:16 pm
At a guess I'd say that some of those ship's cargoes are heading east of the Euphrates where it looks like Russia is becoming increasingly active.
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In Syria this image will become more and more common, Russia increases its presence in Northern Syria, and the American invaders know that the military base that the Russian Army will build in Northern Syria will cause them problems with the theft of Oil.
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RUSSIA vrs USA
In Syria this image will become more and more common, Russia increases its presence in Northern Syria, and the American invaders know that the military base that the Russian Army will build in Northern Syria will cause them problems with the theft of Oil.
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Most useless checkpoint ever 
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #14
ahmedfire Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:18 am
Isos wrote:Most useless checkpoint ever
Passed like wind
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slasher wrote:Report: Russia building new military base in northeast Syria
Seems here that's been thwarted.
https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/1269926252984623104
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Russia wanted to establish a military point in Qasr al-Deeb village near Derik but the locals prevented this.
US soldier told @NPA_English that they appreciate this and will try to prevent Russians from entering
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Sorry if it's reposted.
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There are some rumors floating about that Russia is going to establish new military bases in Syria. There are already allegations that they will setup a new air-force base in Palmyra, east of T4 airbase.
I think it is fairly likely they believe the cease-fire with Turkey in Idlib is not going to hold out and have started to spread their assets around in case of a more wide-scale conflict with Turkey.
I think it is fairly likely they believe the cease-fire with Turkey in Idlib is not going to hold out and have started to spread their assets around in case of a more wide-scale conflict with Turkey.
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #14
JohninMK Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:30 pm
nero wrote:There are some rumors floating about that Russia is going to establish new military bases in Syria. There are already allegations that they will setup a new air-force base in Palmyra, east of T4 airbase.
I think it is fairly likely they believe the cease-fire with Turkey in Idlib is not going to hold out and have started to spread their assets around in case of a more wide-scale conflict with Turkey.
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Palmyra Airport is now under the control of the Russian army. (New base)
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #14
JohninMK Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:24 pm
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convoys carried Russian generals
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#Homs: Preparation by Russian forces to establish new air base. Activists from the eastern Homs countryside revealed that military convoys carried Russian generals, Russian engineering and reconnaissance teams entered the Palmyra Airport and evacuated everything inside it.
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convoys carried Russian generals
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#Homs: Preparation by Russian forces to establish new air base. Activists from the eastern Homs countryside revealed that military convoys carried Russian generals, Russian engineering and reconnaissance teams entered the Palmyra Airport and evacuated everything inside it.
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #14
PapaDragon Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:33 pm
Palmyra is smack in the middle of Syria with whole lot of nothing around it, perfect spot for airbase
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #14
JohninMK Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:36 pm
Russian RO-RO Sparta southbound again, lots of all kinds of stuff in her. There is a new airbase to fit out for a start.
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Ship of Interest: Saint Petersburg based TGK-SPB’s Russian flag roro vessel Sparta, working for Russian Ministry of Defense owned Oboronlogistika, transited Bosphorus towards Mediterranean en route from Novorossiysk to #Tartus #Syria carrying military/technical cargo
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Ship of Interest: Saint Petersburg based TGK-SPB’s Russian flag roro vessel Sparta, working for Russian Ministry of Defense owned Oboronlogistika, transited Bosphorus towards Mediterranean en route from Novorossiysk to #Tartus #Syria carrying military/technical cargo
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For reference, how 150 Saratov looks empty sailing northbound.
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #14
ultimatewarrior Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:21 pm
It's pretty sickening how Putin kowtows to Erdogan who butchers Russians on a daily basis.
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/ha92z8/ied_goes_off_near_a_russian_btr82a_during_a_joint/
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/ha9sje/medevac_il76md_scalpel_ra86906_is_about_to_land/
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/ha92z8/ied_goes_off_near_a_russian_btr82a_during_a_joint/
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/ha9sje/medevac_il76md_scalpel_ra86906_is_about_to_land/
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #14
magnumcromagnon Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:35 am
ultimatewarrior wrote:It's pretty sickening how Putin kowtows to Erdogan who butchers Russians on a daily basis.
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/ha92z8/ied_goes_off_near_a_russian_btr82a_during_a_joint/
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/ha9sje/medevac_il76md_scalpel_ra86906_is_about_to_land/
Russian aviation were roasting Turkey's just 1.5 months ago, but your head was too far up your sphincter for you to notice.
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