Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #14

GarryB wrote:It would be more logical for them to block the straights to non Black Sea fleets... ie the rest of HATO.

Blocking Russian ships is of no advantage to them but blocking other HATO countries from putting ships in the Black Sea during potential tensions with Greece and/or France would make sense for them to limit the directs of attack perhaps...

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Isos wrote:They are not allowed to block it unless they are at war.

It's also a big income for their economy, they wouldn't close it now in the middle of the pandemic .

I have covered this before...

Turkey under specific conditions can block the straights to another country even if they aren't at war, legally speaking.

If Russia pulls out, the Turks can tell any Russian ship to "fuck off" and if they attempt to violate Turkish Waters, the Turks have every legal right to sink those ships. Just has Russia would have any legal rights to sink any ships that enter their sovereign waters. Btw I am expecting you to go "Weh tell that to the US". We don't enter their territorial waters we come close but remain in free seas so don't even try to use that idiotic argument.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Lol Russia cannot pull out the convention and do what it pleases with the straights what type of revisionist crap you trying to spread now.

If Russia pulls out, the Turks can tell any Russian ship to "fuck off" and if they attempt to violate Turkish Waters, the Turks have every legal right to sink those ships. Just has Russia would have any legal rights to sink any ships that enter their sovereign waters. Btw I am expecting you to go "Weh tell that to the US". We don't enter their territorial waters we come close but remain in free seas so don't even try to use that idiotic argument.

Again by the RULES of the convention turkey CAN, so stop that lying BS. It's written in plain English. It's doesn't matter what you think, how you feel, how you want to lie and word it. I find it oh so funny when you blatantly lie.

Turks control the straights, those are their waters, and by the legal ruling which Russia has agreed to if the Turks can close the straights to them under two conditions.

End of story.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Tai Hai Chen wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Isos wrote:They are not allowed to block it unless they are at war.

It's also a big income for their economy, they wouldn't close it now in the middle of the pandemic .

I have covered this before...

Turkey under specific conditions can block the straights to another country even if they aren't at war, legally speaking.

Bosporos is international waters. Turkey has no right to block it unless they want to have war with Russia.

Vastly incorrect Turkey does not need to be at war to close the straights them may do so if the "danger of war" is present. Maybe you should read for yourself then take what people say here has fact. Btw the Bosporos isn't international waters, that is territory recognized worldwide has belonging to the Turks, whoever told you that was stupid.

They are used for international navigation, yes but legally speaking the that is Turkishs waters.



Article 6 of the Montreux Conventionn.

"Should Turkey consider herself to be threatened with imminent danger of war, the provisions of Article 2 shall nevertheless continue to be applied except that vessels must enter the Straits and their transit must be affected by the route which shall, in each case1 be indicated by the Turkish authorities".

Article two covers Merchant ships and the convention defines merchant vessels as ships not belonging to government bodies, etc navy, government controlled companies.

Turkey could very well claim anything in terms of "imminent danger of war" they have the full legal ability to prevent Russians from transporting military cargo through the straghts.

More gear under test by the look of it.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Everything you said was wrong Garry, literally wrong. You are making shit up, lying, and just about everything else. Very idiotic comments you made in regards to the straights above.. Your extreme bias is showing.

if Russia pulls out of the convention then it cannot transit the straight if the turks go "You may no longer have your ships enter our waters". The Entire point of the convention was to prevent the Turks from being able to do this from countries that have ports in the black sea.

The Straights are territorial waters of Turkey you biased, revisionist. Russia has no say if they pull out on what they can send through the straights at that point Turkey can tell them to go to hell and Russia cannot do jack shit. The Straights AREN'T INTERNATIONAL WATERS and freedom of transit don't apply to them. You don't know what you are talking about at all.

Btw yes any foreign ship that violates sovereign waters can be destroyed.

You would give them a warning sure, but any ship or plane that enters your airspace or territorial waters can be destroyed legally.

There are certain conditions where you legally couldn't such as inviting the ship etc.

Tai Hai Chen wrote:
Human is land animal. Human has no dominion over ocean. Bosporos strait does not belong to any country. Any water part of ocean, as in the case of Bosporos, is international territory. No country has the right to close any part of ocean unless in war.

Isos wrote:because Russia may blow up Turkey and make them loose the european part making the strait half Greek with a Russian base there and no Turkish navy.

RTN wrote:

Isos wrote:because Russia may blow up Turkey and make them loose the european part making the strait half Greek with a Russian base there and no Turkish navy.

The Su 24 shot down was Russian. The F-16 that shot it down was Turkish.