Project 20380(5): Steregushchy Corvette #2

Thats 6th 20380 & 2nd 20385 for Amur right?

Missile corvette "Gremyashchy" began the inter-fleet transition from the Baltic to the Pacific Fleet. 

Kalibr-NK cruise missile carrier Gremyashchy missile corvette of Project 20385 makes an inter-fleet transition from the Baltic to the Pacific Fleet Russian Navy. This was reported to TASS by a source in the military-industrial complex.

"The Gremyashchy corvette is currently heading to the Mediterranean Sea as part of a group of ships. Then it will pass through the Suez Canal in the direction of the Asia-Pacific region. Its arrival in the Pacific Fleet is expected in November" – he said.

TASS has no official confirmation of this information.
 
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Corvettes Grozny and Buyny laid down at the Amur shipyard

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August 24th, 0:49
On August 23, 2021, at Amur Shipyard JSC (ASZ, part of United Shipbuilding Corporation JSC - USC) in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, the ceremony of laying two corvettes for the Russian Navy - Grozny (serial number 2105) of the project 20380 and "Buyny" (serial number 2107) of project 20385. This is the fifth corvette of project 20380 and the first corvette of project 20385, which are being built at this enterprise. The mortgage board of the Grozny corvette (serial number 2105) of project 20380, laid down for the Russian Navy at the Amur shipyard JSC in Komsomolsk-on-Amur 08/23/2021 (c) frame from the Rossiya 24 TV channel report



The event was held as part of the ceremony of laying down warships for the Navy at the leading shipyards of Russia in the mode of videoconference with the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin. From the Patriot park near Moscow, the head of state watched the laying of the strategic nuclear-powered missile submarines Dmitry Donskoy and Prince Potemkin of project 09552 (project 955A) at the Industrial Association Northern Machine-Building Enterprise in Severodvinsk, large diesel-electric submarines boats "Mozhaisk" and "Yakutsk" of project 06363 at JSC "Admirate shipyards" in St. Petersburg, as well as corvettes "Grozny" of project 20380 and"Buyny" project 20385 at the JSC "Amur shipbuilding plant" in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

Recall that on December 15, 2020, the Amur Shipyard signed a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense for the construction of six corvettes for the Pacific Fleet - two projects 20380 and four projects 20385, which are to be commissioned from 2024 to 2028. Corvettes of project 20380 will receive serial numbers 2105 and 2106, and corvettes of project 20385 - apparently serial numbers from 2107 to 2110.

To date, ASZ has carried out the construction of four corvettes of project 20380 for the Pacific Fleet under previous contracts.The contract for the construction of the first two Pacific corvettes of project 20380 with serial numbers 2101 and 2102 was signed by ASZ with the Russian Ministry of Defense back on January 26, 2006. The head corvette of the project 20380 "Perfect" (serial number 2101) for the ASZ was laid down at the enterprise on June 30, 2006, but turned into a long-term construction and as a result was removed from the plant's slipway to the Zeya launching and transport floating dock only on May 22, 2015. Corvette "Perfect" began factory sea trials on January 30, 2017 and was transferred to the Russian Navy in Vladivostok on July 20, 2017. The second corvette "Loud" (serial number 2102) was laid down at the ASZ only on April 20, 2012, from the shipyard of the plant to the floating dock "Zeya" on July 28, 2017 and was handed over to the Russian Navy in Vladivostok on December 25, 2018.

On June 4, 2015, ASZ signed a contract for the construction of the third and fourth corvettes for the plant of project 20380 with serial numbers 2103 and 2104, the deadline was 2020. The laying ceremony for the Pacific Fleet of the corvette "Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov" of project 20380 (serial number 2103) took place at the NPP on July 22, 2015, on September 12, 2019, a ceremony was held for the withdrawal of this corvette from the shipyard to the Zeya floating dock , and 21 October 2019, the ship was physicallylaunched from a floating dock. On May 25, 2020, the corvette "Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov" was brought into the floating dock "Zeya " for transportation to the delivery base of the ASZ in Vladivostok. The corvette at the dock was launched by towing to Vladivostok on June 3, 2020 and arrived there on June 16. On September 30, 2020, the corvette first left Vladivostok for factory sea trials. The ceremony of raising the naval flag on the corvette "Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov" took place in Vladivostok on December 25, 2020. On July 1, 2016, a ceremony was held in Komsomolsk-on-Amur at the NPP

bookmarks for the Russian Navy of the second corvette Rezkiy under this contract (serial number 2104), which on July 1, 2021, was brought out of the boathouse to the floating dock Zeya , and then launched in July. The dispatch of the "Rezkiy" in the floating dock "Zeya " to the delivery base of the NEA in Vladivostok is scheduled for October 1. It was announced that the ship is planned to be handed over to the Russian Navy at the end of 2021. However, at the ceremony of withdrawing the corvette from the boathouse, Rear Admiral Yevgeny Sirota literally stated that " in 2022 we will raise the flag on the Corvette Sharp, and it will become part of the Pacific Fleet."

The Buyny corvette (serial number 2107), now laid down at the ASZ, has become the third ship of the project 20385 in total. the construction of corvettes for the Russian Navy was supposed to be carried out according to the revised project 20385. The state contract for the construction of the first two corvettes of the project 20385 was issued by the Russian Ministry of Defense of the Severnaya Verf on March 27, 2006. The lead ship of project 20385 "Thundering" (serial number 1005) was laid down at Severnaya Verf on February 1, 2012, removed from the shipyard on June 16, 2017, launched to the water on June 30, 2017, began factory sea trials on April 21, 2019, and was commissioned by the Russian Navy only on December 29, 2020, with enrollment in the Pacific Fleet. In August 2021, the "Thundering" corvette entered the transition to the Pacific Fleet.

The second corvette of Project 20385 "Provorny" (serial number 1006) was laid down at Severnaya Verf on July 25, 2013, and in September 2019 it was technically launched. Both project 20385 corvettes are intended for the Pacific Fleet.

According to an additional contract concluded with the Ministry of Defense in 2011, it was planned to build eight more corvettes of the 20385 project at Severnaya Verf by 2020, however, the wide use of imported components on this project, including the German main diesel engines MTU, which fell after 2014 under the sanctions restrictions. led to the fact that the series of project 20385 at Severnaya Verf was limited to only two ships laid down under the 2006 contract.

The construction of both laid corvettes at the Severnaya Verf of Project 20385 was greatly delayed due to the non-delivery of the main MTU diesel engines for them. On January 30, 2015, the Russian Ministry of Defense signed an additional agreement with Severnaya Verf for the completion of both project 20385 corvettes with Russian-made diesel engines - diesel units 1DDA-12000 manufactured by Kolomensky Zavod JSC, installed on the corvettes of project 20380. Each corvette received two diesel units, one unit 1DDA-12000 includes two main marine engines 16D49 with a capacity of 6000 hp. produced by the Kolomna plant and reverse gear transmission РРД 12000, manufactured by JSC "Zvezda".

Since the further construction of the project 20385 series was discontinued, as a result, the Russian Navy returned to the construction of project 20380 corvettes according to the once again revised project, with the installation of a new multifunctional radar complex "Zaslon" on them with the placement of fixed antennas in a tower-like superstructure, similar to the corvettes of project 20385 .

in however, eventually it was decided to renew both the construction of a series of corvettes project 20385, but in the version with Russian engines, resulting in December 2020 was signed the above contract with the ASP to build four corvettes project 20385. Who is the main difference of the project 20385 from 20380 is the equipment of the project 20385 atniversal shipborne firing complex 3S14 (UKSK), allowing the use of missiles of the "Caliber" family, including anti-submarine series 91R. As can be judged, it is precisely in view of the presence of an anti-submarine missile system that all corvettes of project 20385 (two buildings of the Severnaya Verf and four ordered NEAs) are apparently supposed to be concentrated as part of the 114th brigade of ships protecting the water area of ​​the Kamchatka flotilla of diverse forces of the Pacific Fleet, the main task of which is ensuring the deployment of strategic nuclear submarine missile cruisers based on Kamchatka (Vilyuchinsk). (c) Press service of the President of the Russian Federation Video:

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4380207.html

Ah these are 5th 20380 & 1st 20385 at Amur.
I think I'd mentally confused the contract signing last year with keel laying

Here's a couple of pics of the Zaslon test stand, apparently in place in Lake Ladoga since 2017

Corvette Bravy will be laid at the Amur shipyard on September 29

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/12492807

George1 wrote:Corvette Bravy will be laid at the Amur shipyard on September 29

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/12492807

Once Amur shipyard is finished padding the Pacific with corvettes they can just redirect the production output to Black Sea and Med

Retivy

Hole wrote:...A new one was laid down, with priest and so on.

Tech Priest

Amur is delivering the goods, keep at it

Russian corvettes of project 20380 will be modernized. The decision to carry out factory repair of ships of this project with simultaneous improvement was made by the Ministry of Defense.


According to the military department, all corvettes of project 20380 will be upgraded to the level of the last ship of this project, adopted by the Pacific Fleet - "Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov". As part of the planned work, the ships will receive modern radars, as well as an improved air defense system. Other details of the upgrade are not provided.

As Izvestia writes with reference to military sources, all work will be carried out within the framework of factory repair of ships. Currently, the Ministry of Defense is coordinating the repair and technical documentation for the repair and modernization. According to reports, work should start at the end of next year, since by that time all the documentation will be ready.

Currently, the Navy has seven Project 20380 corvettes, of which four are in the Baltic Fleet and three in the Pacific. Six of them will be modernized, since the seventh corvette is Aldar Tsydenzhapov, which became part of the Pacific Fleet at the end of December 2020.

According to military experts, the Baltic Fleet corvettes "Guarding", "Soobrazitelny", "Boiky" and "Steady" will be the first to go for modernization, since they were the first to enter the Navy in the period from 2008 to 2014. The Corvettes of the Pacific Fleet "Perfect" and "Gromkiy" entered the fleet in 2017 and 2018. The rest of the ships of the project, and there are five of them - two for the Black Sea Fleet and three for the Pacific Fleet, are being built according to the modernized version.

https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/187805-rossijskie-korvety-proekta-20380-projdut-modernizaciju.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=nui

According to the military department, all corvettes of project 20380 will be upgraded to the level of the last ship of this project, adopted by the Pacific Fleet - "Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov". As part of the planned work, the ships will receive modern radars, as well as an improved air defense system. Other details of the upgrade are not provided.

Interesting.
Its been said over at Balancer that the upgraded mast uses same internal structure as the original mast (while 20385 has significant internal changes) so it should be possible.
I think I'd like to see them fill out the ship numbers somewhat first ie get a long way on towards 6* per fleet (North, Baltic, Pacific & BSF) before starting to take ships out of service for major rework.

Between the lines it may mean that the current Furke-Redut really doesn't work well -> important to get the functioning Zaslon on ASAP?

hoom wrote:....Between the lines it may mean that the current Furke-Redut really doesn't work well -> important to get the functioning Zaslon on ASAP?

Or we could read that entire class was designed in the 90s, first boat was laid down in 2001 and Steregushi was commissioned in 2008

That's 20 years since being laid down wand almost 30 years since it was designed

Simpler answer is that it's time for upgrade

hoom wrote:

According to the military department, all corvettes of project 20380 will be upgraded to the level of the last ship of this project, adopted by the Pacific Fleet - "Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov". As part of the planned work, the ships will receive modern radars, as well as an improved air defense system. Other details of the upgrade are not provided.

Interesting.
Its been said over at Balancer that the upgraded mast uses same internal structure as the original mast (while 20385 has significant internal changes) so it should be possible.
I think I'd like to see them fill out the ship numbers somewhat first ie get a long way on towards 6* per fleet (North, Baltic, Pacific & BSF) before starting to take ships out of service for major rework.

Between the lines it may mean that the current Furke-Redut really doesn't work well -> important to get the functioning Zaslon on ASAP?

Also there is the fact that the lead ship of the class is using Kortik-M. This upgrade might rectify the class air defense inconsistency. For the Furke-Redut combo, that has been 'patched' by using the Puma for mid course guidance. Of course it doesn't beat a fully functioning system, but Furke has an underwhelming target track quality. Puma on the other hand is used in practice as the one to track targets with the Puma's issue of having to pass through the ship's C4 system and the added ~10s latency fixed along the way via software patches. Plus being developed by the same company that created the 3R95 FCR for the Kinzhal/Klinok SAM for ships (JSC RATEP via KBP Amethyst), it was an accidental solution found at the right place.

As an example, in any Redut test fires from a Steregushchiy-class, the Puma FCR is the one used to track targets since it is facing where the targets are.

So far there have no issues with Zaslon's target tracking and mid course guidance for the Redut.

I still think that first ship gives a hint to a possibly better option than expensive high-end Zaslon-Redut with only 12-cells:

Put Pantsir-M & something like the Karakurt mast on them.

Depending which is the higher priority: Light frigate to make up for shortfall on proper frigate construction -20380 with Zaslon.
Cookie-cutter ASW corvettes with basic AA ability -20380 with Pantsir-M.

Problem is, from rumors Pantsir-M isn't necessarily actually significantly cheaper than Zaslon & arguably 32* 40km Pantsir-M SAMs is stronger than 12* 9M96.
So Zaslon-redut version could be effectively the cookie-cutter version

On related topic:
Charly015 recently put out this update of 20380/5s ordered/constructed

Are they really up to 26* ordered?

Thats more than enough for 6* each for North, Baltic, Pacific & BSF.
If split between only the first 3 its 9 per fleet.

hoom wrote:...Are they really up to 26* ordered?

Thats more than enough for 6* each for North, Baltic, Pacific & BSF.
If split between only the first 3 its 9 per fleet.

Yes with more to come of both current and future variations, Amur shipyard finally kicked into gear and is delivering the goods big time

Overwhelming majority will go to Pacific Fleet, Gremashi especially will all be heading there because geography is perfect for them

None will be sent to North Fleet, they will be getting bigger stuff up there (maybe Mercury class once it's up and running but nothing current)

Once Pacific is fully padded I think they might start filling up Black Sea but that's just my guess

Are they really up to 26* ordered?

Thats more than enough for 6* each for North, Baltic, Pacific & BSF.
If split between only the first 3 its 9 per fleet.

I'm counting 22 on that list not 26

Right you are lol
My mental arithmetic sometimes is just terrible

1-2 for Baltic and 2-3 for black sea is enough.

Or smarter, 4 in black sea and send back the Moskva in the north were it is supposed to be to hunt nato big ships instead of keeping it in the black sea where it can fo the work of a small patrol ship only.

My understanding is 8 x 23080's and 4 x 23085's to the Pacific Fleet. That leaves 8 x 23080's and 2 x 23085's for the Baltic and Black Sea fleets to divide. The Baltic already has 4 x 23080's and the Black Sea is about to receive it's first 23080. Would make sense for the Baltic to receive the 2 x 23085's (small number of Kalibar capable ships) and to divide the 8 x 23080's at 4 each.

PapaDragon wrote:

Yes with more to come of both current and future variations, Amur shipyard finally kicked into gear and is delivering the goods big time

Overwhelming majority will go to Pacific Fleet, Gremashi especially will all be heading there because geography is perfect for them

I agree. No one seems to noticed it yet (outside of those who actually observe very closely) but Pacific Fleet has been lacking in ships that safeguard their territorial waters. Sure, the older Tarantul and Nanuchkas can still do it and the larger ships can do it too. But they are not getting any younger and larger ships are really cost prohibitive to operate if they operate near the coast (near-sea zone) or from a fair distance away (far sea zone).

Replacing them with Steregushchiy and Gremyashchiy on the higher end and Karakurts (Four were ordered for Amur Shipyard) on the lower end of the ship structure spectrum to cover what has been lacking by the Pacific Fleet. So it was a good call that there are more Steregushchiys in the Pacific and have 'exclusivity' on the Gremyashchiy-class.

Isos wrote:

Or smarter, 4 in black sea and send back the Moskva in the north were it is supposed to be to hunt nato big ships instead of keeping it in the black sea where it can fo the work of a small patrol ship only.

Problem with that is the Russian Navy will be losing the only ship in the Black Sea Fleet with flagship facilities (prior to Mitrofan Mosalenko's completion and entry to service) and the main fleet air defense umbrella of the seagoing fleet.

You are not going to rely your fleet air defense on Shtil-1 and Redut for fleet protection. Trust me, for a fleet with a responsibility of protecting the Black Sea and its Mediterranean interest, losing the ship that can see from afar and hit from afar is just asking for problems in the long run