2020 US elections. What's the status of pindostan and their 2nd civil war?

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Section 2 and 3 require very specific conditions that aren't easy to prove John, Trump cannot remove people because they make decisions he doesn't approve of.

You are correct but Trump seems to have had a plan in place, in anticipation of what has now happened, that started over two years ago. It seems to be centered on tracking and proving what the Chinese have been up to both in cyber warfare and societal penetration (5th column). DNI has to report by the 18th on whether there was foreign (Chinese) influence in the election.

The Chinese have been very successful, especially in academia and politics, in what is probably a 100 year plan starting in around 1950 to take over the US. So successful that few understood what was happening, a classic case of selling the rope. Whilst Trump has been an America first person for much of his life, driven by US manufacturing moving to China (brilliant), it probably wasn't until he got the intel available to him as President that he realised just what was going on. Once he did he planned and acted.

It seems that a key event, perhaps the key accelerator event, was when the Chinese hacked the US Government 2.5M personnel database in 2015, which contained information including sexual weaknesses etc in security clearances. This was blackmail gold and almost certainly explains some inexplicable decisions over the past few years.

Trump could not have acted before the election as few would have believed him. He had to allow the fraud to continue until as many people as possible were aware of it and as many as possible showed their true colours and allegiances, like the AG hiding the case against Hunter for six months to help Biden. Now, with over 75M pissed off voters and 20 states that believe SCOTUS has bottled, he is getting to critical mass. He may act when electoral votes go to Congress next week or after the political process has completed on Jan 5th.

When he moves (IF) it will not be on the basis of decisions he doesn't approve of, it will almost certainly be in terms of saving what is possibly the most important element of the US Constitution, the right to a free and fair vote. He had to try and make it not be about himself and SCOTUS in fact did him a favour with their quick, adverse decision.

Those of us outside the US military machine can only gather what bits of information we can and try to build a picture of what is happening behind chainlink fences. As I said before there is significant and very unusual levels of military air traffic with Nellis playing a big part in what appears to be the establishment of FOBs on US territory. US naval deployment is interesting too with two CVN and a LHD on each east and west coast and CVN68 now well out of the Gulf. Massive show of support for Trump at the Army vs Navy football game yesterday possibly gives an indication of how the sharp end of the military feels.

Having just taken direct command of SOCOM away from the joint chiefs he can use it as his 'heavy' arresting force, backing up those elements of LE loyal to him. Its going to get bloody as the targets will not surrender easily. Its seems crazy to even write this but does Langley have air defences?

I can't see any easy way out of this now. Without a trusted election system there is no Republic.


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Just got to quote posters on MoA about fomenting revolutions "the USA manual for Unconventional Warfare (UW), from 2010, states that, if 80% of the total populations stays "neutral" (or apathetic), then 10% is enough to do a regime change."

and "Pointing out the obvious here, but isn't this exactly what is going down in front of our eyes in the USA? There the target audiences are women, minorities (primarily black), the unemployed and LGBT. Throughout and everywhere the object is to make a county ungovernable."

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/12/new-documents-show-how-the-british-government-secretly-created-regime-change-protests-in-lebanon.html#more

For those of you not so far into the US weeds as I am, contained in this link is a short video describing payments from China and Russia over the past few years into the Biden family and close associates companies. Confirmed by a Senate Homeland Committee report.

This amount of money buys you leverage and if it turns out that its on the US President it was a brilliant and cheap investment.

https://twitter.com/CortesSteve/status/1337530077777637377

AlfaT8 wrote:With respect to the SCOTUS situation, it's kinda nonsensical.

From what i understand it was denied because Texas was not an injured party, as in like a contractual obligation where you have the signed on parties and Texas being more of an outside 3rd party.

The problem with that is that the suit Texas brought up was that Texas is indeed a signed party that was injured, because the contractual agreement in question is the Bloody Constitution.
Now this is just one interpretation, but it still makes SCOTUS look really bad.

But let us look at this optimistically.
It could be that SCOTUS simply did this so that a proper suit with more direct injured parties will be filed, so that State jurisdiction issues don't get in the way, and since the Legislators power written in the Constitution is as clear as can be.
Maybe with this SCOTUS can deliver a verdict with ease.

The Supreme Court’s reason might be valid if Texas was complaining about local elections for state offices which affected only the state in which the election was held.

In the case at hand, however, Texas is complaining about an election for a federal office, the holder of which will have the power to issue executive orders national in scope, wield a veto over the legislature, direct foreign policy, and appoint judges to all federal courts, including the Supreme Court. These are powers that will have a profound effect on all fifty states.

If the Supreme Court believes that does not give Texas a “cognizable interest” in assuring that all states conduct the election in a transparent manner consistent with the procedure mandated by the constitution of the United States, then the justices are living in the same fantasy land as a President who declared that we are fighting in Afghanistan “to deny them space in which to plan their attacks.”

With this decision the Supreme Court has effectively given permission for governors and judges in individual states to corrupt the election for President of the United States at will. Whether or not they have done so is beside the larger point that the Supreme Court has given them permission to do so.

Maybe they will change their stance when the next case gets to them

Not how it works John all high courts around the globe have very specific manners in which they operate, Texas did not have the legal right to bring the lawsuit to them.

Had one of the affected states done it, they would have been willing to hear the case.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Not how it works John all high courts around the globe have very specific manners in which they operate, Texas did not have the legal right to bring the lawsuit to them.

Had one of the affected states done it, they would have been willing to hear the case.

Maybe, but it ended up as 20 states so who else could they have appealed to? Every state should have standing with SCOTUS with the case presented being considered or dismissed on its merits.

Now, rather than SCOTUS head it off at the pass, will those states now not accept Biden if he is sworn in following what, in their view, was a corrupt election?

Its going to be a fascinating next 4 weeks for those of us outside the US.

Night Of Chaos: 4 Stabbed, 23 Arrested After Proud Boys & Antifa Clash in Washington:
https://cms.zerohedge.com/political/night-chaos-4-stabbed-23-arrested-after-proud-boys-antifa-clash-washington?utm_campaign=&utm_content=Zerohedge%3A+The+Durden+Dispatch&utm_medium=email&utm_source=zh_newsletter

Trump says will veto NDAA for benefitting China.

https://br.sputniknews.com/americas/2020121316609320-trump-diz-que-vetara-orcamento-de-defesa-dos-eua-por-beneficiar-a-china/

https://sputniknews.com/us/202012131081446407-trump-claims-china-is-biggest-winner-of-us-defence-bill-vows-to-veto-document--/

Kiko wrote:Trump says will veto NDAA for benefitting China.

I thought that the NDAA had passed in Congress with sufficient votes to disallow Presidential veto.

I thought that the NDAA had passed in Congress with sufficient votes to disallow Presidential veto.

He's challenging the rebel GOP senators. His 2024 running nomination is at play.

Electoral college formally designates Joe Biden US president-elect
https://www.rt.com/usa/509668-biden-electoral-college-president-elect/

Putin congratulated Biden on winning the election
https://ria.ru/20201215/bayden-1589265595.html

Kiko wrote:Electoral college formally designates Joe Biden US president-elect
https://www.rt.com/usa/509668-biden-electoral-college-president-elect/

Indeed they did but several states put up 2 sets of electors, one for Biden and one for Trump, meaning that, given the ongoing legal disputes there is still doubt over what the Congress will accept on the 6th Jan meeting. Even then it may not be clear as the only concrete date in the Constitution is the 21st January, Inauguration.

Until Trump concedes the fight will go on. There will be a important Intel report this week on foreign intervention in the election, that could be the blue touch paper that starts the fire.

Even with Biden taking office there are 75 million or so Americans who probably regard the election as illegitimate. This will be an ongoing problem.

kvs wrote:
If any of Putin's elections had the sort of fraud evident in this US election, the US president would demand regime change and
bray for war.   I think Putin should not bother with being "classy".   Just say nothing.

Perhaps, but its now win-win for Putin.

On the one hand if Biden actually wins then he has made a positive move gaining a couple of diplomatic Brownie points. May not be worth much but hey-ho he has to try.

If on the other hand Trump wins, Putin, along with all the other leaders in the World who backed Biden, has a strong case to rubbish the US because the election system is so fraudulent that it lured them all in. Followed by years of speeches containing the phrase "corrupt US".

Given that either way this is going to go through the courts over the next few weeks, the reputation of the US will be in tatters.