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    2020 US elections. What's the status of pindostan and their 2nd civil war?

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    Post  LMFS Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:50 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    I don't know why so many goobers and useful idiots actually think Bidet is a Chinese ally, when all the think tanks that back him advocate "confronting China". One of those think tanks, "The American Security Project (ASP)" has 3 main objectives:

    -A huge rebuilding of the United States’ military bases,

    -Countering China in the Pacific,

    -Preparing for a war with Russia in the newly-melted Arctic.

    https://www.americansecurityproject.org/kerry-climate-envoy-national-security-council/

    The 'Chinese ally' dying goat bleat has as much credibility as the Trump admin being a 'Russian ally', which amounts to mountain sized pile of bullshit. clown  Instead of just parroting the same bullshit over and over again, people should investigate claims before they start regurgitating them.

    Demorats and their curators are trying to appeal to the same interests that were behind Trump in order to undermine his support. That, despite them being the ones that deindustrialized US and not having a moral fibre in their bodies. It will be business as usual once they are back in control. That does not mean they are Chinese allies, but they are after power and money on a global scale after all, and could not care less for the long term interests of US itself.
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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:00 am

    These imperialist-globalist clowns need to read the memo. The days of globalism are drawing to a close. Secure your own
    shit before trying to grab someone else's. These narcissistic fucks really think that they will rule the world with their
    inane efforts.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:29 am

    kvs wrote:https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1336750884882006016

    CA Jonson last night threatened to have Trump voters killed.

    Recently during a voter fraud hearing, she asked witnesses to dox themselves.

    Racist hater posing as a victim of whitey.   BLM and its supporters are total frauds.

    She has now lost her Michigan committee position and is under further investigation. She is a particularly nasty and bigoted piece of work.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:36 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    I don't know why so many goobers and useful idiots actually think Bidet is a Chinese ally, when all the think tanks that back him advocate "confronting China".

    In amongst the data on the Hunter Biden laptop was information on some of the families dealings with China. One item referred to a no security loan to the Bidens from a major Chinese bank of $5M. There is little doubt that Biden looks favourably on China.
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    Post  Kiko Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:01 pm

    About Biden's probably future relations with China (Hunter Biden's business):
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/hunter-biden-criminal-probe-bolsters-chinese-scholars-claim-beijing-infiltrating-top
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    Post  GarryB Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:29 pm

    The US is fighting to maintain its position and it will beat down any country that gets in its way.... that is why it is not being nice to Russia and China and Iran because they are not doing as they are told...

    The US can't afford to be nice to China because China is an economic threat... it will be able to buy the resources it needs and outbid the US... things like access to energy and important materials like the minerals and metals needed for high tech stuff.

    Anyone who thinks the US will be nice to China doesn't understand the US...

    Biden was prepared to risk their relationship with the Ukraine which they were expressly trying to use against Russia to protect his son... what if China starts demanding loans be paid back... including all the US debt that it owes China... makes it really easy to make China the number one enemy so they don't have to pay... all they would have to do is tell some people in Taiwan or Hong Kong to go for independence and you will received the full support of the US and her navy... it wont matter when they don't get it because China will be at war...
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    Post  kvs Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:57 am



    So YouCrap is still hosting all sorts of tinfoil hat conspiracy theory videos claiming Russia hacked the 2016 election
    and will hack the 2020 election but will censor any videos showing actual fraud in the 2020 election.

    This is the "freedom of thought and expression" that Uncle Swine-shit claims makes him superior to basically
    every other country on Earth.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:00 am

    It might be even simpler. Thought provoking article.

    Elections undecided by midnight are void & preempted by federal law – Foster v Love (1997; 9-0 Decision in SCOTUS)

    “When the federal statutes speak of ‘the election’… they plainly refer to the combined actions of voters and officials meant to make a final selection of an officeholder… By establishing a particular day as ‘the day’ on which these actions must take place, the statutes simply regulate the time of the election, a matter on which the Constitution explicitly gives Congress the final say.” Foster v. Love, 522 U.S. 67, 71-72 (1997)


    https://yournews.com/2020/12/08/1956812/elections-undecided-by-midnight-are-void/
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    Post  AlfaT8 Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:27 am

    GarryB wrote:The US is fighting to maintain its position and it will beat down any country that gets in its way.... that is why it is not being nice to Russia and China and Iran because they are not doing as they are told...

    The US can't afford to be nice to China because China is an economic threat... it will be able to buy the resources it needs and outbid the US... things like access to energy and important materials like the minerals and metals needed for high tech stuff.

    Anyone who thinks the US will be nice to China doesn't understand the US...

    Biden was prepared to risk their relationship with the Ukraine which they were expressly trying to use against Russia to protect his son... what if China starts demanding loans be paid back... including all the US debt that it owes China... makes it really easy to make China the number one enemy so they don't have to pay... all they would have to do is tell some people in Taiwan or Hong Kong to go for independence and you will received the full support of the US and her navy... it wont matter when they don't get it because China will be at war...

    Yes and No.

    The U.S is an empire on the decline, but an empire nonetheless, the issue is timing, as in the time to truly confront China, the Trump administration wants that confrontation much earlier then what the establishment want.
    For the establishment wish to cash out of their investments in/from China to further enrich themselves first, China knows this and has invested heavily in order to move that time for confrontation as far as possible.

    So you can bet money that any Biden administration will do whatever it takes to return to "Normalcy", while still saber-rattling with China.

    As for Hong Kong and Taiwan, HK is already lost and Taiwan will either be crushed as well or become China's Cuba.
    Too many Nukes for the U.S Navy to even dream of intervening.
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    Post  kvs Sat Dec 12, 2020 2:10 am



    Nice rant. The R. Party is basically surrendering to the D. Party. So these clowns are not even trying to make it look like anything
    but a one party state.

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    Post  Kiko Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:11 am

    US Supreme Court Rejects Texas Motion to Challenge Election Results in Four Battleground States
    https://sputniknews.com/us/202012111081434273-us-supreme-court-rejects-texas-motion-to-challenge-election-results-in-four-battleground-states/
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    Post  AlfaT8 Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:50 am

    Kiko wrote:US Supreme Court Rejects Texas Motion to Challenge Election Results in Four Battleground States
    https://sputniknews.com/us/202012111081434273-us-supreme-court-rejects-texas-motion-to-challenge-election-results-in-four-battleground-states/

    Gonna need some popcorn for this. Rolling Eyes
    Assuming it's not fake news.
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    Post  kvs Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:27 am

    It is not fake news.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/supreme-court-tosses-texas-bid-overturn-election

    The US Supreme Court is as rotten as the rest of the judicial system. There is a reason why the fake stream media spends so much
    time smearing other countries. It is a diversion from the rot at home.

    So those 6 Repugs sucked Bidet's phallus.

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    Post  LMFS Sat Dec 12, 2020 4:26 pm

    Time for Russia to start funding "civilian society" and "pro-democracy organizations" in the US Laughing

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    Post  franco Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:12 pm

    kvs wrote:It is not fake news.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/supreme-court-tosses-texas-bid-overturn-election

    The US Supreme Court is as rotten as the rest of the judicial system.   There is a reason why the fake stream media spends so much
    time smearing other countries.   It is a diversion from the rot at home.

    So those 6 Repugs sucked Bidet's phallus.  


    So this clears the path to the official Electoral College vote.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:25 pm

    franco wrote:So this clears the path to the official Electoral College vote.  

    God knows how that's gonna go down, you can't vote if your in a body bag, just sayin.

    LMFS wrote:Time for Russia to start funding "civilian society" and "pro-democracy organizations" in the US Laughing

    There is a budding secessionist movement in Alaska the Logistics shouldn't be that difficult for Russia.
    But yes, in general Russia should definitely start funding these organization.
    I mean China's been funding their interest there for years.


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    Post  Kiko Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:07 am

    kvs wrote:It is not fake news.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/supreme-court-tosses-texas-bid-overturn-election

    The US Supreme Court is as rotten as the rest of the judicial system.   There is a reason why the fake stream media spends so much
    time smearing other countries.   It is a diversion from the rot at home.

    So those 6 Repugs sucked Bidet's phallus.  

    SCOTUS rejected the Texas plea not due to ideological or juridical reasons, but obviously because judges are afraid of 'consequences' for them and their families. That's how things are operating in the US right now.

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    Post  kvs Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:31 am

    So the USA has joined the African failed state club.   Having Supreme Court judges fear for their lives and make ludicrous rulings
    is something that occurs when there is no law and order.    

    Mad Max may have been filmed in Australia, but this is the future of America.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:34 am

    This is a military interest site. Well, in the US that might be what the next step is.

    By this decision SCOTUS have walked away from taking responsibility for cleaning up the US electoral system at a strategic level. OK there are still cases heading through the court system, one at least they have accepted, but these are at a tactical level, state by state.There is now a situation where roughly 20 states were behind Texas and 20 were against, with the others on the sideline. So now SCOTUS has shown Texas and the others that they will not, in the final analysis, stand up for the Constitution if there is a risk involved. This could break the US in two.

    But there is still a President who has sworn to defend the Constitution and that document gives him powers, big powers under a couple of clauses but in particular Article 14 that are outside the US Court system as they are direct powers of the President.

    Section 2 allows him to move against States supporting rebellion, like illegal elections, stripping them of their powers to send electors to DC. If he did this then the election moves to a decision by the House of Representatives.

    Section 3 allows him to remove from office any public official that has not kept their oath of defending the Constitution. This is pretty sweeping.

    OK you say but how can he move against those potential targets when many of them, FBI/CIA etc will be armed. Well, following the DoD changes he now has his own forces, US special forces, under his direct command that he can deploy. As per what seems to have happened in the US Consulate in Frankfurt recovering US election computers, following which 5 US soldiers died in a helicopter accident in Egypt with a memorial to them now being constructed at Ft Bragg, so it is said!

    Trump can go further and employ the Insurrection Act and potentially bypass the Court system using Military Commissions (Tribunals) to pursue charges of Treason for which the death penalty can apply, with firing squad recently added as a method.

    No-one knows if he will do this but if he doesn't and he is replaced by Biden then it is very likely that a civil war will splutter into action as States refuse to follow Federal commands with 75M Americans saying that they have been disenfranchised.

    This is not just about the election its all about the slow Chinese infiltration of the US political and commercial system, especially the cyber warfare elements. There would seem to be a massive 5th column of Chinese supporters in the US, it is this that is the target if Trumps takes action.

    Anyway, just raising this flag in case it happens. Whichever way you look at it the US is in crisis.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:42 am

    JohninMK wrote:This is not just about the election its all about the slow Chinese infiltration of the US political and commercial system, especially the cyber warfare elements. There would seem to be a massive 5th column of Chinese supporters in the US, it is this that is the target if Trumps takes action.

    Absolutely stupid! lol1  clown In a 1-2 years time when Bidet engages all sorts of anti-Chinese maneuvers all this bullshit will look really laughable! Embarassed So did you clown's live under a rock when Bidet was the Vice-President under the Obama admin when they enacted the 1) The Asian Pivot   2) when they tried to enact the TPP trade deal that excluded China and Chinese goods?

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    Post  calripson Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:28 am

    No surprise that the Supreme Court punted - evidently there were only 2 of 6 Republican appointees willing to hear the case. The other four are company men and (woman); or just plain cowards. This decision effectively allows any corrupt state (or really city within that state) to throw an election without any federal oversight. No need to stress the level of corruption in places like Philadelphia or Atlanta or Detroit. Banana Republic time.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:59 am

    Section 2 and 3 require very specific conditions that aren't easy to prove John, Trump cannot remove people because they make decisions he doesn't approve of.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:06 am

    kvs wrote:So the USA has joined the African failed state club.   Having Supreme Court judges fear for their lives and make ludicrous rulings
    is something that occurs when there is no law and order.    

    Mad Max may have been filmed in Australia, but this is the future of America.

    Ah KVS, sporting more crap you have zero clues about.

    If you actually knew what you're talking about you'd know the Court declined to hear the case because of procedural reasons, Texas did not have the right to bring the case to them in the manner it did.

    The Court never ruled or said voter fraud wasn't a thing just that, the legal procedure it was brought to them was against the rules of how the Supreme court functions.

    if you knew anything about the court you'd know they function purely based on legality, not politics, basically Texas tried a political play and the Court said No, they are not playing that game.

    If the case was brought to them with the proper procedure they would have been willing to hear it.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:05 pm

    With respect to the SCOTUS situation, it's kinda nonsensical.

    From what i understand it was denied because Texas was not an injured party, as in like a contractual obligation where you have the signed on parties and Texas being more of an outside 3rd party.

    The problem with that is that the suit Texas brought up was that Texas is indeed a signed party that was injured, because the contractual agreement in question is the Bloody Constitution.
    Now this is just one interpretation, but it still makes SCOTUS look really bad.

    But let us look at this optimistically.
    It could be that SCOTUS simply did this so that a proper suit with more direct injured parties will be filed, so that State jurisdiction issues don't get in the way, and since the Legislators power written in the Constitution is as clear as can be.
    Maybe with this SCOTUS can deliver a verdict with ease.
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    Post  Kiko Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:08 pm

    kvs wrote:So the USA has joined the African failed state club.   Having Supreme Court judges fear for their lives and make ludicrous rulings
    is something that occurs when there is no law and order.    

    Mad Max may have been filmed in Australia, but this is the future of America.

    Send in Victoria Nuland to share some cookies:

    At Least Four Reportedly Stabbed During Riots in Washington, DC at Million MAGA March:

    https://sputniknews.com/us/202012131081442856-at-least-four-stabbed-during-riots-in-washington-dc-at-million-maga-march/


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