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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:53 pm

    Maximmmm wrote:Ok time for actual updates:
    https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/6260426.html

    Looks like that's it on the south. Zengilan (kovsakan, or whatever) has been confirmed for the Azeri side. NK is now cut-off from Iran.
    I don't know what pasha thinks he's going to do, or if the French recognizing NK is gonna do anything (resolution was floated in parliament, although I doubt it will go through), but he's about to be the worst leader in Armenian history.

    I think Russia can still supply the Russian base in Armenia by air via Iran. Too bad Russia had to ruin relation with former Christian ally Georgia over Abkhazia and Georgia so now they can't use Georgian land and airspace to supply.
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:56 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1318526021591773184?s=20

    NSFW.

    Maximmmm wrote:Ok time for actual updates:
    https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/6260426.html

    Looks like that's it on the south. Zengilan (kovsakan, or whatever) has been confirmed for the Azeri side. NK is now cut-off from Iran.
    I don't know what pasha thinks he's going to do, or if the French recognizing NK is gonna do anything (resolution was floated in parliament, although I doubt it will go through), but he's about to be the worst leader in Armenian history.

    Z'ngilan was left open, this comes from the hole towards Lachin. AZ will try and cut Lachin so they can envelop NK. This means they will be forced to strike massively in Armenia. Therefore, triggering CSTO answer. Azerbaijan is openly defying Russia by doing this. Let's see how long can Russia take this and pretend it is all good.

    I think Putin is more than happy to sell a few scrappy T-90 to Azerbaijan. Putin is a friendly man and he always talks about bilateral relations with various countries in his public speeches.
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    Post  LMFS Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:58 pm

    Tai Hai Chen wrote:
    Erdogan is building tens of thousands of TB2 to take over Russia and make Russian women his harem.

    Keep it up, this must be among the funniest comments I have read here for a while lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Post  nomadski Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:12 pm

    @ Tai hai chen

    "..... I think Russia can still supply the Russian base in Armenia by air via Iran. Too bad Russia had to ruin relation with former Christian ally Georgia over Abkhazia and Georgia so now they can't use Georgian land and airspace to supply......."

    Supply may not be enough. Depend on how much support Sultan Erdo and Usrael and NATO give to Azer. If balance of forces very greatly in favour of Azer. Then hard for them to stop advance. And they will empty NK of Armenians and burn their homes and pour into Armenia, together with Turkish commando and Takfiri Rat, mixed with Israeli adviser.......

    So this small action of advance along border, sends strong signal. Is detterent. Without being actual occupation of land. Just Station troops along border, in armoured column. Russia can go along Azer side, without crossing into Georgia. Iran can go along Armenian side. Without going into Azer. Think of it as glorified border patrol. Send strong message.
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    Post  Isos Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:18 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    Tai Hai Chen wrote:
    Erdogan is building tens of thousands of TB2 to take over Russia and make Russian women his harem.

    Keep it up, this must be among the funniest comments I have read here for a while  lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1

    Good old UltimateWarrior lol1

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:22 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1318526021591773184?s=20

    NSFW.

    Maximmmm wrote:Ok time for actual updates:
    https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/6260426.html

    Looks like that's it on the south. Zengilan (kovsakan, or whatever) has been confirmed for the Azeri side. NK is now cut-off from Iran.
    I don't know what pasha thinks he's going to do, or if the French recognizing NK is gonna do anything (resolution was floated in parliament, although I doubt it will go through), but he's about to be the worst leader in Armenian history.

    Z'ngilan was left open, this comes from the hole towards Lachin. AZ will try and cut Lachin so they can envelop NK. This means they will be forced to strike massively in Armenia. Therefore, triggering CSTO answer. Azerbaijan is openly defying Russia by doing this. Let's see how long can Russia take this and pretend it is all good.

    What makes you think they will attack Armenia proper? They know it will force Russia's hand and they know that isn't a good thing.

    See how quick Russia went to help Syria?
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    Post  Isos Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:25 pm

    They weren't quick to help Syria. Assad almost got destroyed. They only send their sukhoi wheb they were about to loose Tartus port.
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:01 pm

    Isos wrote:They weren't quick to help Syria. Assad almost got destroyed. They only send their sukhoi wheb they were about to loose Tartus port.

    No. Tartus was not even close to being lost.

    It was essentially when Syria requested the assistance.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:18 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Isos wrote:They weren't quick to help Syria. Assad almost got destroyed. They only send their sukhoi wheb they were about to loose Tartus port.

    No.  Tartus was not even close to being lost.

    It was essentially when Syria requested the assistance.

    Russia probably wanted to "freeze" the issue in the ukraine, before intervening directly in Syria, in order not to be involved in two different fronts at the same time.... one thing is providing support, another thing is taking directly part at the confrontations.

    Should they actually need to do a direct intervention in Armenia, I hope that before that they ask for pashinian's head and they do a proper purge of all his supporters, clients and providers..

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    Post  par far Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:03 pm

    Turkey is withdrawing from a lots of posts in Idlib, is there any chance Turkey has given up Syria, so Turkey can help Azerbaijan?
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:06 pm

    par far wrote:Turkey is withdrawing from a lots of posts in Idlib, is there any chance Turkey has given up Syria, so Turkey can help Azerbaijan?

    Turkey might be going for Damascus to distract Russia from Armenia when Turkey invades Armenia proper.
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    Post  kvs Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:11 pm

    Isos wrote:They weren't quick to help Syria. Assad almost got destroyed. They only send their sukhoi wheb they were about to loose Tartus port.

    Really? Make your case.

    Russia intervened in 2013 when it stopped Obama from launching the same type of bombing campaign that destroyed Serbia in 1999. Obama had to
    cross back over his own red line. This made Killary fuming mad and she was promising to fight Russia in Syria during the 2016 election campaign.

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    Post  kvs Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:14 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1318526021591773184?s=20

    NSFW.

    Maximmmm wrote:Ok time for actual updates:
    https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/6260426.html

    Looks like that's it on the south. Zengilan (kovsakan, or whatever) has been confirmed for the Azeri side. NK is now cut-off from Iran.
    I don't know what pasha thinks he's going to do, or if the French recognizing NK is gonna do anything (resolution was floated in parliament, although I doubt it will go through), but he's about to be the worst leader in Armenian history.

    Z'ngilan was left open, this comes from the hole towards Lachin. AZ will try and cut Lachin so they can envelop NK. This means they will be forced to strike massively in Armenia. Therefore, triggering CSTO answer. Azerbaijan is openly defying Russia by doing this. Let's see how long can Russia take this and pretend it is all good.

    What makes you think they will attack Armenia proper?  They know it will force Russia's hand and they know that isn't a good thing.

    See how quick Russia went to help Syria?

    Getting Russia into a war is their objective. So attacking Armenia "proper" is fully likely. This is the "October surprise" that the Democraps want.
    So they can wrap themselves up in the flag and get more voter support. Making Trump look weak on Russia is their full time occupation.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:24 pm

    You think Azeri's objective is to draw the Federation into a hot war with them.......Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow is all I can say to that
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:25 pm

    par far wrote:Turkey is withdrawing from a lots of posts in Idlib, is there any chance Turkey has given up Syria, so Turkey can help Azerbaijan?

    Only posts Turkey is given up are the ones behind Syrian lines.
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    Post  Maximmmm Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:01 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    Isos wrote:They weren't quick to help Syria. Assad almost got destroyed. They only send their sukhoi wheb they were about to loose Tartus port.

    No.  Tartus was not even close to being lost.

    It was essentially when Syria requested the assistance.

    Russia probably wanted to "freeze" the issue in the ukraine, before intervening directly in Syria, in order not to be involved in two different fronts at the same time....  one thing is providing support, another thing is taking directly part at the confrontations.

    Should they actually need to do a direct intervention in Armenia, I hope that before that they ask for pashinian's head and they do a proper purge of all his supporters, clients and providers..  

    Fu

    Not really the place to discuss it, but what people don't realize is that the Kremlin elites are very anti-intervention.
    We've had three decades of the US and NATO running amok around the world killing people and I'd wager the majority of the Kremlin elites are still pro-western relations.
    It's a structural disease, all these people come from the 90s when the west was hailed as heaven itself and money was the only thing that mattered. The only reason Russia even exists is that members of the security services, including Putin himself got enough influence to stabilize the situation.
    Christ has anybody heard of the recent ministry of finance suggestion? Reduce forces by 100000, make contract soldiers pay for uniforms and food outside of combat and exercises, reduce pensions and limit access to military mortgage options. There are literal traitors to the Russian state at work in every level of government.
    The intervention in Syria took so long because the situation had to get bad enough that we could have a massive terrorist state 100/200km from our borders if we didn't intervene. Only that made the elites move.
    The Donbass thing was a disaster because the elites thought they could still find some way to deal and get their sweet moneymaking on in the west if they held back. Even though geopolitically that was the most retarded out of all the available options.

    I would be very, very surprised if anything serious were to be done by our government in the area. It's clear the government wants to keep playing peacemaker and that Pasha's EU d^$k sucking has had some really negative results for the geopolitical security of his nation, because Moscow isn't just gonna take his bs lying down.
    If the Russian government was properly looking out for the interests of the Russian federation, we would have squeezed that retard dry the moment he reared his stupid head.

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    Post  Maximmmm Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:02 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    par far wrote:Turkey is withdrawing from a lots of posts in Idlib, is there any chance Turkey has given up Syria, so Turkey can help Azerbaijan?

    Only posts Turkey is given up are the ones behind Syrian lines.

    Yeah, the people talking about some sort of deal being the scenes are too optimistic, this is just a way for Turkey to get its troops out of places they're no longer needed while avoiding anything actually agreed upon about their idlib responsibilities.

    They're not even withdrawing all posts.

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    Post  Isos Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:39 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Isos wrote:They weren't quick to help Syria. Assad almost got destroyed. They only send their sukhoi wheb they were about to loose Tartus port.

    Really?  Make your case.

    Russia intervened in 2013 when it stopped Obama from launching the same type of bombing campaign that destroyed Serbia in 1999.   Obama had to
    cross back over his own red line.   This made Killary fuming mad and she was promising to fight Russia in Syria during the 2016 election campaign.

     

    When they went in Syria Assad was left with only the coast. They were going to loose Tartus. So it's not "immediatly". They webt there at the very last moment. 1 month later Assad would have been dead.
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:41 pm

    Maximmmm wrote:
    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    Isos wrote:They weren't quick to help Syria. Assad almost got destroyed. They only send their sukhoi wheb they were about to loose Tartus port.

    No.  Tartus was not even close to being lost.

    It was essentially when Syria requested the assistance.

    Russia probably wanted to "freeze" the issue in the ukraine, before intervening directly in Syria, in order not to be involved in two different fronts at the same time....  one thing is providing support, another thing is taking directly part at the confrontations.

    Should they actually need to do a direct intervention in Armenia, I hope that before that they ask for pashinian's head and they do a proper purge of all his supporters, clients and providers..  

    Fu

    Not really the place to discuss it, but what people don't realize is that the Kremlin elites are very anti-intervention.
    We've had three decades of the US and NATO running amok around the world killing people and I'd wager the majority of the Kremlin elites are still pro-western relations.
    It's a structural disease, all these people come from the 90s when the west was hailed as heaven itself and money was the only thing that mattered. The only reason Russia even exists is that members of the security services, including Putin himself got enough influence to stabilize the situation.
    Christ has anybody heard of the recent ministry of finance suggestion? Reduce forces by 100000, make contract soldiers pay for uniforms and food outside of combat and exercises, reduce pensions and limit access to military mortgage options. There are literal traitors to the Russian state at work in every level of government.
    The intervention in Syria took so long because the situation had to get bad enough that we could have a massive terrorist state 100/200km from our borders if we didn't intervene. Only that made the elites move.
    The Donbass thing was a disaster because the elites thought they could still find some way to deal and get their sweet moneymaking on in the west if they held back. Even though geopolitically that was the most retarded out of all the available options.

    I would be very, very surprised if anything serious were to be done by our government in the area. It's clear the government wants to keep playing peacemaker and that Pasha's EU d^$k sucking has had some really negative results for the geopolitical security of his nation, because Moscow isn't just gonna take his bs lying down.
    If the Russian government was properly looking out for the interests of the Russian federation, we would have squeezed that retard dry the moment he reared his stupid head.

    No, no just no on everything.

    That ain't how politics, especially in Russia, work.

    Those guys got out in 2014. Putin liquidated (not physically of course), the traitors. Most now are centrists.

    The rest is silly diatribe cause most to all of the foreign relations have nothing to do with current elite as they already lost everything.

    Essentially they know nothing left to lose as they are all sanctioned to high heaven (anyone with authority) so no one cares.

    Russia's tactics now seem odd but we will see.

    You also contradicted yourself - if the same elites who cater to the west were in any authority, they wouldn't care about terrorists near their own border anyway. As seen multiple of times. So no, they would have prevented their own government going into Syria.
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:42 pm

    Isos wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    Isos wrote:They weren't quick to help Syria. Assad almost got destroyed. They only send their sukhoi wheb they were about to loose Tartus port.

    Really?  Make your case.

    Russia intervened in 2013 when it stopped Obama from launching the same type of bombing campaign that destroyed Serbia in 1999.   Obama had to
    cross back over his own red line.   This made Killary fuming mad and she was promising to fight Russia in Syria during the 2016 election campaign.

     

    When they went in Syria Assad was left with only the coast. They were going to loose Tartus. So it's not "immediatly". They webt there at the very last moment. 1 month later Assad would have been dead.

    Not even close. Damascus would have fallen sooner making Tartus the capital of new Syria. In the regard, it would have still Heald out as majority of his support was there.
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    Post  Isos Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:45 pm

    Terrorists got a big part of the syrian weapons. They would have used MLRS and artillery to bomb the shit out of Tartus.

    Assad and the SAA had lost. Russia made them win.
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    Post  Isos Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:45 pm

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1318596630287966210

    Another israeli made harop loitoring munition downed by Iranian air defence. Yesterday they destroyed anither dribe with a tor-m1 system.

    Armenian operators are as shitty as syrian ones.

    The drone is still in a good state and will help them improve their own technology.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:51 pm

    Isos wrote:When they went in Syria Assad was left with only the coast. They were going to loose Tartus. So it's not "immediatly". They webt there at the very last moment. 1 month later Assad would have been dead.

    They didn't have any defense agreements with Syria

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    Post  Isos Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:23 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:When they went in Syria Assad was left with only the coast. They were going to loose Tartus. So it's not "immediatly". They webt there at the very last moment. 1 month later Assad would have been dead.

    They didn't have any defense agreements with Syria


    Neither with NK....

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