2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #2

Baku confirms it shot down Russian war helicopter BY ACCIDENT and apologizes, says ready to compensate — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

https://www.rt.com/russia/506216-azerbaijan-shot-russian-helicopter/

zepia wrote:Baku confirms it shot down Russian war helicopter BY ACCIDENT and apologizes, says ready to compensate — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

https://www.rt.com/russia/506216-azerbaijan-shot-russian-helicopter/

BS. Erdogan ordered them to shoot down helicopter. Erdogan loves slaughtering Russians. He is Pan Turkic. His idol is Temujin the mass murderer. He armed thousands of terrorists in northern Syria and flew them to Azerbaijan to infiltrate Russia and slaughter Russians.

It looks like Putin's best buddies Erdogan and Aliyev are not so buddies after all. That's what Putin gets for betraying Assad and Pushinyan in order to boot lick Erdogan and Aliyev who hate Russians and vote against Russians at UNGA.

The whole point about early intervention, was to stop the avalanche or momentum of advancing armies. Armies never stop, on their own accord. Plus, waiting added to humanitarian cost. Left Armenians in disorganised state. But wait they did. As I predicted, this war was not about freeing land. But ethnic cleansing. Now we see towns evacuated. And next? Oh, it is what you see. The march ever forward. The avalanche.

1390 Azerbaijani soldiers slaughtered in Karabakh so far.

https://m.facebook.com/herbimedia/

nomadski wrote:
The whole point about early intervention, was to stop the avalanche or momentum of advancing armies. Armies never stop, on their own accord. Plus, waiting added to humanitarian cost. Left Armenians in disorganised state. But  wait they did. As I predicted, this war was not about freeing land. But ethnic cleansing. Now we see towns evacuated. And next?  Oh, it is what you see. The march ever forward. The avalanche.

Azerbaijanis called Russians bluff. They will march on Yerevan thinking Russians don't care. They are about to get a taste of what Georgians got in 2008

Isos wrote:I don't really see Azeri using a manpad in Armenia.

Maybe it's armenian units who did that to oblige Putin to attack Az.

That could end up with Russia attacking Armenia which would be rather funny and in line with the bad decisions made by Armenia through the conflict.

I'm sorry guys but why are you stuck on that BS non-intervention posture.
This is what non-action does.
This is the face of Turkish apeasement.

Video of helicopter being brought down by a SAM, if not posted already: https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1325851230040698881

zorobabel wrote:Video of helicopter being brought down by a SAM, if not posted already: https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1325851230040698881

You can see it comes from Azeri border less than 750m from the physical line. This is not an "accident". They have done this before, shooting helicopters in transit beyond the border.

If they downed a Russian helicopter over Armenia proper, doesn't that mean they'd do the same to Armenian aircraft as well?

zorobabel wrote:If they downed a Russian helicopter over Armenia proper, doesn't that mean they'd do the same to Armenian aircraft as well?

They are pretty much animals at this point. Executing POWs, cutting off ears, desecrating graves, shooting down airliners. Hell, even Ukrainian soldiers in 2014 war had more class than these Turkic fags.

Interesting.

I think what Russia should do is simply return the favor by blowing up the units that shot down the helicopter and then state that repayment was made.

Chances are, Russia will accept the compensation and apology and that is about it. Unfortunately, that is how Russia does things these days and it really isn't good.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:Interesting.

I think what Russia should do is simply return the favor by blowing up the units that shot down the helicopter and then state that repayment was made.

That is not enough for Russia.

Two people died in an unprovoked attack.
And they do not even have the excuse of having crossed by mistake (even for a few seconds) the border.
We are not in Syria, where turkey has the geographical advantage and may also block the supply from the black sea.

Last time a post Soviet country did this kind of jokes, it lost 20 % of their land.

And that was under Medvedev.

This is Putin. He isn't gung ho and it will become a major problem for him and his supporters. People will be pissed that people can kill their citizens around the world and more or less get away with it.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:However, Armenia does not deserve to receive any centimetre of land from the evolution of this situation.

Maybe a recognition of an independent navgorno karabakh (more or less managed by Russia) and a sort of land corridor of Russia to Armenia (but managed by Russia, not by Armenia). If Russian soldiers are fighting and losing their life, the land cannot be given to other countries, especially to someone that in the recent past was flirting with the enemy and accusing Russia..

That would actually be best.

Maximmmm wrote:
Guys don't have another Su-24 turkey moment, nothing will happen. Sure, maybe down the line, maybe economic pressure, maybe beefing up of Armenia proper, but we're not gonna go to war over this as always.

I don't expect any overt Russian reaction either. Putin has way too much liquid helium in his veins for a kneejerk reaction, and this incident is nothing compared to earlier provocations. Nevertheless that doesn't mean there won't be a response, or would be limited to only diplomatic and economic pressure as you and many others suggest. That Su-24 shotdown wasn't just followed by banning tomatoes - it directly led to the massive bomber harris style dehousing campaign on the Syrian Turkmen who are Turkey's ethnic kin within Syria. At least 500k people were displaced to Turkey alone, severely straining the Turkish state's capacity to service its burgeoning refugee population and exacerbating the drain on its coffers. In terms of human suffering this is grossly beyond what is the equivalent pound of flesh but it just goes to show that Russia can engage its opponents on the levels of barbarity if they do so wish.

Russia should bomb the Azeri units involved like Israel does all the time. Dish out punishment and not waste time on soft talk
and tender feelings of diplomacy. Force is the only language that primitives understand and respond to. Everything else to them
is "proof of weakness".

And Russia should violate Azeri air space to dish out the punishment.

Russia now is not what Russia once was. In 2008 Russia kicked the crap out of former Christian ally Georgia for slaughtering Muslim Abkhaz. Now Russia sides with Turkic Azerbaijan against (soon to be former) Christian ally Armenia. Sad state of affairs really. Putin is ruining Russia and Americans and Turks and Chinese are loving it.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:However, Armenia does not deserve to receive any centimetre of land from the evolution of this situation.

Maybe a recognition of an independent navgorno karabakh (more or less managed by Russia) and a sort of land corridor of Russia to Armenia (but managed by Russia, not by Armenia). If Russian soldiers are fighting and losing their life, the land cannot be given to other countries, especially to someone that in the recent past was flirting with the enemy and accusing Russia..

This won't work since eventually the Armenians there will want to rejoin their homeland. Russia will really be an occupant in this
scenario so it does not need the headache.

Anyway, Pussynian has sold NK down the river to fellate his NATzO bosses and this really is not Russia's problem aside from retribution
for the shootdown.

Is that Tor-M2 ?

Again stupid moves by putting AD systems inside hangars ,without protection .

This war is turning into a literal disaster for Armenia and PR disaster for Russia. Azeri drones are dancing around Russian built AD systems and pulverizing them with impunity. In the same day, Azeri forces humiliated Armenian AD by destroying their latest system, Tor-M2KM (in addition to another 9K33 Osa sam destroyed), and then they shot down Russian Mi-24P.

No really, i wonder if it can get any worse? They're having a walk in the park against Russian AD systems. So far, Azeris destroyed: Tor-M2KM, S-300PS, 2K12 Kub, 9K35 Strela-10, 9K33 Osa, R-330P Piramida-I EW, Repellent-1 EW. Let's not forget the same Turkish made drones humiliated Pantsir-S1 in Libya.

Hopefully, every country that relies on the Russian made ADs will pause for a moment and start thinking. This is a serious lesson. Armenians suffered a complete military debacle due to inability to counter Azeri TB2 drones.

spotter wrote:This war is turning into a literal disaster for Armenia and PR disaster for Russia. Azeri drones are dancing around Russian built AD systems and pulverizing them with impunity. In the same day, Azeri forces humiliated Armenian AD by destroying their latest system, Tor-M2KM (in addition to another 9K33 Osa sam destroyed), and then they shot down Russian Mi-24P.

No really, i wonder if it can get any worse? They're having a walk in the park against Russian AD systems. So far, Azeris destroyed: Tor-M2KM, S-300PS, 2K12 Kub, 9K35 Strela-10, 9K33 Osa, R-330P Piramida-I EW, Repellent-1 EW. Let's not forget the same Turkish made drones humiliated Pantsir-S1 in Libya.

Hopefully, every country that relies on the Russian made ADs will pause for a moment and start thinking. This is a serious lesson. Armenians suffered a complete military debacle due to inability to counter Azeri TB2 drones.

You are over estimating Turkish claims. That is for sure.

Dancing around AD not in use isn't really that hard either.

Bad for Armenia, not so much for Russia. The bad part is this shootdown. But it just happened so we will see what the end results will be.

spotter wrote:This war is turning into a literal disaster for Armenia and PR disaster for Russia. Azeri drones are dancing around Russian built AD systems and pulverizing them with impunity. In the same day, Azeri forces humiliated Armenian AD by destroying their latest system, Tor-M2KM (in addition to another 9K33 Osa sam destroyed), and then they shot down Russian Mi-24P.

No really, i wonder if it can get any worse? They're having a walk in the park against Russian AD systems. So far, Azeris destroyed: Tor-M2KM, S-300PS, 2K12 Kub, 9K35 Strela-10, 9K33 Osa, R-330P Piramida-I EW, Repellent-1 EW. Let's not forget the same Turkish made drones humiliated Pantsir-S1 in Libya.

Hopefully, every country that relies on the Russian made ADs will pause for a moment and start thinking. This is a serious lesson. Armenians suffered a complete military debacle due to inability to counter Azeri TB2 drones.

Propaganda drivel. Whether yours or not does not matter.

NK is hardly armed with the latest Russian AD systems. Too much BS that makes them seem better armed than Armenia itself.
And we saw the stellar success of US AD systems in Saudi Arabia against drone attacks....

This talk reminds me of the Pantsir taken out by Israel in Syria which was used to claim that it was a crap system. Somehow
the competence of the operators was not a factor.

Serbs showed the even old Soviet AD systems can take out F-117A's. American wunderwaffen like no other that Russia/USSR could
never hope to design and build. Every single Azeri drone was detectable with even 1950s radars. So any failure lies at the hands
of the operators and not Russian system designers.

From what I have seen in this conflict, the NK Armenians were smoking crack thinking that the Azeris are not any sort of serious
threat. With this sort of mentality it is not surprising that they did not get their act together and use what resources they had
properly.