2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #2

Tai Hai Chen wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:Chinese Ultron retard.

No, Pashin is pro west. He was sucking up and even promised EU that he was planning to leave CSTO.

You are a special kind of stupid

And Russians are gullible enough to believe western propaganda. Pushinyan kicked out the corrupt oligarchs who are Russian. He did it for Armenia which has been plagued by Russian oligarchs for 30 years. Russians try to keep its neighbors poor and dependent. Armenia is doing what Azerbaijan did to Russia. Kick out the Russia oligarchs and become prosperous.

Anyway, Pushinyan is stepping down and Biden / Harris building US military base in Armenia.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/11/russian-peacekeepers-arrive-to-armenia-for-nagorno-karabakh-live

I come regularly to this site to see more viewpoints but yours are 98% bullshit.

People already told you more than once why Russia could not openly intervene in this conflict, how many times do they have to repeat it?

Finally this whole shitshow is over and if armenians think russians sold em + Pashka fight for their interests, they should prepare for more bleaching in the future.
Russia is the only Country (with help from Iran)  which gives Armenia air to breath in this region.

Russia got Crimea while Obama was president and the U.S did nothing. As Biden constantly likes to remind is, he was vice president at the time.

RIP to all armenians who were killed by the treacherous PRO-EU/Nato - Anti-Russia/CSTO Gov.

Russia seizes primacy in post-war South Caucasus

https://eurasianet.org/in-karabakh-deal-as-many-questions-as-answers

i hope it won't be as bad as in 1991: https://www.mk.ru/politics/2020/11/11/rossiyskie-mirotvorcy-v-karabakhe-poluchili-vystrely-v-spinu-vmesto-spasibo.html

Turkey Hails Azeri 'Gains' After Karabakh Deal
	Karabakh Ceasefire Greeted With Anger and Disbelief in Armenia

Armenia PM Pashinyan: From Protest Hero to War 'Traitor'
	Armenian PM Says He Signed Ceasefire Deal on Army's Insistence
	Iran Calls for Withdrawal of 'Foreign Fighters' After Karabakh Ceasefire
	Russian Peacekeepers Deploy to Nagorno-Karabakh After Ceasefire Deal
	Around Nagorno-Karabakh, an All-Out Media War Unfolds

Israel Delivers Aid to Azerbaijan: Background and Implications

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXXxJOz-DS4

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:i already put the fake chinese tay ha chen in the ignore list. Probably I should do the same with Vann7 and his Putin obsession. After that both this, the bielorussian, and the Syrian threads become much more readable.

Done for both, I had never used the function before but there is a limit to the crap I am ready to put up with. Thanks for the reminder!

Hole wrote:Not only 2.000 russian peacekeepers in NK but the land corridor between Aserbaidschan and Nakhchivan will be controlled by russian border guards. If Russia wants it can squeeze the balls of Aliev and the guy in Armenia a little bit from time to time.

Technically it has to be renewed every 5 years and either side has the power to call the agreement off

But I doubt Aliev will go for that, at least if he wants to retain the new transport corridor to Nakhivchan and dissuade Russia from arming Armenia with ICBMs or something. He knows on which side the bread is buttered. Always has.

And the Armenians are unlikely to call for replacing the Russians with Americans or Europeans. Because that would mean the end of the agremeent and there would be nothing to stop the Azeris from taking the remainder of the NKR.

Truly Machivellian on the part of Putin. On the one hand hats off to its cleverness, on the other hand - well a bit disgusted really.

flamming_python wrote:Truly Machivellian on the part of Putin. On the one hand hats off to its cleverness, on the other hand - well a bit disgusted really.

One day he is a sucker everyone and their mother are entitled to school, the next he is Machiavellian and the grand master 8D-chess player. But the only thing he had to do is to use common sense, respect international law and let dickheads work for him

LMFS wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Truly Machivellian on the part of Putin. On the one hand hats off to its cleverness, on the other hand - well a bit disgusted really.

One day he is a sucker everyone and their mother are entitled to school, the next he is Machiavellian and the grand master 8D-chess player. But the only thing he had to do is to use common sense, respect international law and let dickheads work for him

That's why it's called Putin derangement syndrome.

kvs wrote:That's why it's called Putin derangement syndrome.

Exactly!

PapaDragon wrote:

Isos wrote:That corridor will never be open. Armenians won't allow azeri to go through no matter if russian border guards are there.

That would mean that they are backing out of the agreement and that Azeris have a go ahead to finish the job

Of course should that happen they will blame Russia again just like they do now and are continuing to place preservation of Pashinian above all else

That guy built a personality cult in record time, I have never seen group of gophers worshiping a Messiah as hard as them (eat your hear out Kim Jong Un)

Loyalty they exibit for him is insane, Pasha comes first, Armenia second, NK is not even on the list

Once Azeris reclaim their territory Armenians will be going into full Kiev-style psychosis at which point best course of action would be to just evacuate that base in Armenia and let Turks lay down the law

Russia is saddled defending Armenia as a legacy of Soviet nostalgia but Soviet Union is long gone and benefits of keeping Armenia in existence are dwarfed by huge and pointless costs

At some point they will have to stop buying into sunk cost fallacy

Last several years (and last several months in particular) demonstrated that Armenia is as far away from ally as it can get short of becoming an enemy and is more of a security risk than Azerbaijan ever could be

Keeping Armenia as a 'state' is vital against pan-Turk lunatic ambitions and their propaganda. Not to mention, it's simply an ally and you don't discard those because of political convenince. It's bad enough that Russia didn't help as much it could have in NKR

Already Kazakh nationalists are eyeing Orenburg.

Although Russia can certainly handle this problem itself if push comes to shove, Armenia is a bone in Turkey's throat as it cuts off direct access between it and the Caspain

MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu and his Turkish counterpart, Hulusi Akar, signed a memorandum on the establishment of a joint centre to control the ceasefire in Nagorno-Karabakh, the Russian Defence Ministry said on Wednesday.

The joint centre will be located on the territory of Azerbaijan. It will collect, summarise and check information on the observance of the ceasefire regime.


https://sputniknews.com/world/202011111081132496-russia-turkey-sign-memorandum-on-creation-of-joint-centre-to-control-ceasefire-in-karabakh/

karabah forces where fighting with 18 year old conscripts the azeris and turks special forces ,
so they did amazingly well in front of such disadvantages.. of being thrown under the bus by
putin, he could have helped them ,since this is what they have been doing to syria to fight turkey
even when there are no treaties that force russia to do that..




https://southfront.org/nagorno-karabakh-leader-revealed-moral-crisis-of-armenian-troops/

I think what also is restricting Russia from doing much in this conflict is Saudi Arabia's purchases of 50 F-35s considering since of course they and Turkey need to build that oil pipeline through Syria to Europe but that aint going to happen. Considering there fuck ups with Yemeni rebels the US should feel concerned about them using those aircrafts in Syria.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

LMFS wrote:@Mindstorm:

Absolutely true, but you see, the thread is clogged with BS and trolls are partying. It has got difficult to even read the news posted here.

Thanks to everyone contributing with reason and facts

i already put the fake chinese tay ha chen in the ignore list. Probably I should do the same with Vann7 and his Putin obsession. After that both this, the bielorussian, and the Syrian threads become much more readable.

telling the truth is not obsession , im not promoting putin like the hero he is not ..
he is very bad mediocre leader that is destroying russia and making miserable the lives of millions
by his obsession to restore russia empire , that russia used to be..  all those nations that are suffering
that are attacked by nato ,is consequence of their closeness to russia..  so if putin had any clue of what he is doing.. he will avoid at all cost making alliances with any third world nation that can't defend on its own ,and will depend on russia for everything.. because putin by making an alliance
with any country ,automatically put their lives in danger ,because is a nation that will be on the hit list of US ,and its allies..  

the entire arab spring was all about taking russia and china allied countries down , and restoring a pro nato turkish ottoman empire ,that they planning to use against russia.. nato is using the so called muslim brotherhood (alqaeda) to destroy russia and erdogan is their top leader..  saudi arabia also was in competition with this plans and was pushing for an alternative empire with them as the rulers , using isis..   none of this major misery and attacks that syria and armenia had to face , if they were neutral countries or allied to nato..  so this is the ugly truth of russia and putins foreign policy . he needs to retreat all his ambitions of becoming a super military power and focus only in defending his main land only, and perhaps only help those major countries that are next to russian borders and russia can easily help. a responsible foreign policy in russia will be one that russia carefully hand pick which nations they can properly and easily defend and that will be very important for russia security..
like belarus and kazakistan for example ,those are countries that it can benefit russia to help ,outside of its territory..  but putin over extend its military and makes russia vulnerable to nato proxy wars.. since he have chosen to help so many nations ,that will be too difficult to defend..

russia needs to retreat from most of the world and focus only in the security of its own borders and perhaps only help belarus ,and kazakistan.. and china.. even though chinese don't need help.  armenian will have never lost nagorno karabah or even had a war if it was allied with nato.. and turkey ,israel or azeris will have never dare to attack armenia if it was part of nato..

so is not pashinyan the one to blame.. he was defending the interest of armenia ,when trying to lure nato.. this bad performance of russia in nk conflict confirms pashinyan was right to seek help from  nato..

so you can see the armenian conflict in two ways.. only..
you can be naive and say..
1) putin is so smart that he punished armenia for electing pasha ,to surrender to russia worse enemies. so that russia enemeis become much stronger later to fight russia..  
2) or you could say putin is so bad president ,that he not only betrays those that have put their trust
on russia by leaving them alone when they most need it..as he did to syria for 4 years and with armenia now , but also betrays his own military by allowing them to be killed by russia enemeis with impunity and pretend later that it was not an act of war.. but a mistake. so he allow it to happen ,to encourage them to kill more russians..

so putin weakness ,politeness and ill adviced foreign policy  is what encourage russian enemies to turn Russia into a target shooting practice for killing russian soldiers and shooting down their planes.. and for testing their cruise missiles  and drones on russians or their zones that they deploy.. they disrespect russia with acts of war for years ,because putin shows he is soft and weak and they take advantage of it. this is very dangerous what putin is doing.. his wavering hand encourage bullies to hit russia harder next time ,because they know he will do nothing.

Kazakhs eyeing Orenburg?  Are you high flaming?  Cause not only have I never heard that, but Kazakhstan is rather sparsely populated vs its entire region. I mean, there is an airbase nearby Orenburg that is Russian that would make short work of any kind of Kazakh military movement. The though of that is hilarious though. Lol

Or is this another one of those western funded rumors like China going to invade Siberia?

PapaDragon wrote:
Russia has better and friendlier relations with Turkey (ostensibly a threat) than with Armenia (country that is supposed to be ally against that threat)

What is the purpose of Armenia here exactly?

Turkey is no friend of Russia. Erdogan sells TB2 drones to Ukraine to slaughter the people of Donbas. That's where the next battle is. Unless Putin recognizes Donbas, it's all over for Donbas. Donbas has nothing to counter dozens and dozens of TB2 Erdogan sold to Ukraine.

Tai Hai Chen wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Russia has better and friendlier relations with Turkey (ostensibly a threat) than with Armenia (country that is supposed to be ally against that threat)

What is the purpose of Armenia here exactly?

Turkey is no friend of Russia. Erdogan sells TB2 drones to Ukraine to slaughter the people of Donbas. That's where the next battle is. Unless Putin recognizes Donbas, it's all over for Donbas. Donbas has nothing to counter dozens and dozens of TB2 Erdogan sold to Ukraine.

it goes both ways.. ukraine have nothing to counter russian long range artillery strikes or their airforce
after they cross the line they agree to hold ,to stop the conflict.. so it will be a very painful response for them ,what they will need to face if start bombing donbass. Russia can hit very hard any position of ukraine military in their land. without invading donbass.

miketheterrible wrote:Kazakhs eyeing Orenburg?  Are you high flaming?  Cause not only have I never heard that, but Kazakhstan is rather sparsely populated vs its entire region.  I mean, there is an airbase nearby Orenburg that is Russian that would make short work of any kind of Kazakh military movement. The though of that is hilarious though.  Lol

Or is this another one of those western funded rumors like China going to invade Siberia?

I doubt any country is able to challenge Russian territory conventionally. Even Crimea is out of the question.

Kazakhstan has nothing to threaten Russia - it would be shooting practice for Russians knowing the terrain in the region.

miketheterrible wrote:Kazakhs eyeing Orenburg?  Are you high flaming?  Cause not only have I never heard that, but Kazakhstan is rather sparsely populated vs its entire region.  I mean, there is an airbase nearby Orenburg that is Russian that would make short work of any kind of Kazakh military movement. The though of that is hilarious though.  Lol

Or is this another one of those western funded rumors like China going to invade Siberia?

Poster child for those "your brain on drugs commercials"

flamming_python wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Isos wrote:That corridor will never be open. Armenians won't allow azeri to go through no matter if russian border guards are there.

That would mean that they are backing out of the agreement and that Azeris have a go ahead to finish the job

Of course should that happen they will blame Russia again just like they do now and are continuing to place preservation of Pashinian above all else

That guy built a personality cult in record time, I have never seen group of gophers worshiping a Messiah as hard as them (eat your hear out Kim Jong Un)

Loyalty they exibit for him is insane, Pasha comes first, Armenia second, NK is not even on the list

Once Azeris reclaim their territory Armenians will be going into full Kiev-style psychosis at which point best course of action would be to just evacuate that base in Armenia and let Turks lay down the law

Russia is saddled defending Armenia as a legacy of Soviet nostalgia but Soviet Union is long gone and benefits of keeping Armenia in existence are dwarfed by huge and pointless costs

At some point they will have to stop buying into sunk cost fallacy

Last several years (and last several months in particular) demonstrated that Armenia is as far away from ally as it can get short of becoming an enemy and is more of a security risk than Azerbaijan ever could be

Keeping Armenia as a 'state' is vital against pan-Turk lunatic ambitions and their propaganda. Not to mention, it's simply an ally and you don't discard those because of political convenince. It's bad enough that Russia didn't help as much it could have in NKR

Already Kazakh nationalists are eyeing Orenburg.

Although Russia can certainly handle this problem itself if push comes to shove, Armenia is a bone in Turkey's throat as it cuts off direct access between it and the Caspain

Are you so stupid or naive?

What are those Armenians going to do? You think they are going to defend Russia?

Kazakhstan is not eyeing Orenburg, because China is eyeing Kazakhstan. Besides, Kazakhstan has its own huge ethnic Russian minority to worry about.

Russia has discarded its allies repeatedly in the not so distant past: Slobodan Milosevic, Saddam Hussein, Muammar al-Qaddafi.

Isos wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Isos wrote:That corridor will never be open. Armenians won't allow azeri to go through no matter if russian border guards are there.

That would mean that they are backing out of the agreement and that Azeris have a go ahead to finish the job

Of course should that happen they will blame Russia again just like they do now and are continuing to place preservation of Pashinian above all else

That guy built a personality cult in record time, I have never seen group of gophers worshiping a Messiah as hard as them (eat your hear out Kim Jong Un)

Loyalty they exibit for him is insane, Pasha comes first, Armenia second, NK is not even on the list

Once Azeris reclaim their territory Armenians will be going into full Kiev-style psychosis at which point best course of action would be to just evacuate that base in Armenia and let Turks lay down the law

Russia is saddled defending Armenia as a legacy of Soviet nostalgia but Soviet Union is long gone and benefits of keeping Armenia in existence are dwarfed by huge and pointless costs

At some point they will have to stop buying into sunk cost fallacy

Last several years (and last several months in particular) demonstrated that Armenia is as far away from ally as it can get short of becoming an enemy and is more of a security risk than Azerbaijan ever could be

Armenia is a buffer zone like Ukraine or Belorussia or Azerbaijan or Mongolia to have a no man's land in case of war with enemy empire like nato or Turkey (Ottomans).

Russia needs those country to be controled by them or at least be neutral.

That's why it was important for them to not attack Azerbaijan so that both Azerbaijan and Armenia don't go full retarted and put NATO or turkish bases there.

With that peacekeeping mission they keep that buffer zone for the next 10 years.


And now they resumed bombing Idlib which was emptied by Turks to support their failed operation in Libya and NK. So an offensive may occure soon. Specially when they will send their new toys (armed orion uav) in huge numbers.

Russia just teached a lesson to Turkey.

Bab / Afrin region controlled by TFSA can be bargaining chip for Donbas. If Erdogan orders Ukraine to go after Donbas then Russia will go after Bab / Afrin. Let's see who has more to lose.

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Isos wrote:That corridor will never be open. Armenians won't allow azeri to go through no matter if russian border guards are there.

That would mean that they are backing out of the agreement and that Azeris have a go ahead to finish the job

Of course should that happen they will blame Russia again just like they do now and are continuing to place preservation of Pashinian above all else

That guy built a personality cult in record time, I have never seen group of gophers worshiping a Messiah as hard as them (eat your hear out Kim Jong Un)

Loyalty they exibit for him is insane, Pasha comes first, Armenia second, NK is not even on the list

Once Azeris reclaim their territory Armenians will be going into full Kiev-style psychosis at which point best course of action would be to just evacuate that base in Armenia and let Turks lay down the law

Russia is saddled defending Armenia as a legacy of Soviet nostalgia but Soviet Union is long gone and benefits of keeping Armenia in existence are dwarfed by huge and pointless costs

At some point they will have to stop buying into sunk cost fallacy

Last several years (and last several months in particular) demonstrated that Armenia is as far away from ally as it can get short of becoming an enemy and is more of a security risk than Azerbaijan ever could be

Keeping Armenia as a 'state' is vital against pan-Turk lunatic ambitions and their propaganda. Not to mention, it's simply an ally and you don't discard those because of political convenince. It's bad enough that Russia didn't help as much it could have in NKR

Already Kazakh nationalists are eyeing Orenburg.

Although Russia can certainly handle this problem itself if push comes to shove, Armenia is a bone in Turkey's throat as it cuts off direct access between it and the Caspain

Are you so stupid or naive?

What are those Armenians going to do? You think they are going to defend Russia?

Kazakhstan is not eyeing Orenburg, because China is eyeing Kazakhstan. Besides, Kazakhstan has its own huge ethnic Russian minority to worry about.

Russia has discarded its allies repeatedly in the not so distant past: Slobodan Milosevic, Saddam Hussein, Muammar al-Qaddafi.

Aleppo has a huge Armenian population due to Ottoman genocide and Armenian diaspora. The only reason Aleppo did not fall to Erdogan was due to Armenian resistance against Erdogan's thugs. In fact, it is defense of Aleppo from Erdogan's thugs that prompted Russia's military intervention in Syria and Aleppo was in the center of it all.