2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #2

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Regular wrote:There are already pictures from Russian peacekeepers

They are very graphic.. Armenians didn't even collect their dead.. and they really got massacred, it's not the first pictures of Armenian soldiers piled up on  roadside that were posted..
There was one week ago after the drones hunted them down..

https://twitter.com/StasSwanky/status/1327384003117191170

They went in like fucking headless chicken to Shusha. Anna guys saved themselves by just looking at the side of the road.

A lot of this is due to total lack of military basics.

Некоторые СМИ с подачи турецкого источника начали рассказывать своим читателям удивительную историю о «русских богатырях». Бравые 300 спартанцев из ЧВК «Вагнер» заставили отступить огромную армию Азербайджана.

Газета Türkiye опубликовала недавно историю о «блондинах с голубыми глазами», которые встали на защиту Нагорного Карабаха. Подхватив сюжет, турецкие СМИ заговорили о присутствии ЧВК «Вагнер» на поле боя.

Спустя недолгое время слухи о «вагнеровцах» вышли за пределы страниц турецких газет. Некоторые российские либеральные издания (в частности, «Кавказский узел») попытались поймать волну и определить присутствие бойцов в Нагорном Карабахе по косвенным признакам. Так появился еще один забавный момент: везде, где Армия обороны Арцаха действовала успешно и сбивала большое количество турецких ударных беспилотников, это было заслугой «вагнеровцев». Сторонники этой версии утверждают: азербайджанские войска так боялись русских добровольцев, что узнав, что в Шуши якобы находятся 300 бойцов ЧВК «Вагнера», предпочли не начинать штурм города.

Однако…после подписания трехстороннего соглашения бойцы «Вагнера» таинственным образом испарились. Получается, что всего 300 бойцов российской ЧВК «Вагнера» успешно противостояли мощной азербайджанской армии, турецким наемникам, а также привезенным с Ближнего Востока террористам. Именно их сопротивление вынудило Азербайджан сесть за стол переговоров и прекратить боевые действия. Это яркий пример мужества и героизма еще со «спартанских» времен. Получается, «вагнеровцы» настолько эффективны, что с легкостью противостоят численно превосходящим силам противника. Удивительно!

Some media outlets, with the suggestion of a Turkish source, began to tell their readers an amazing story about the "Russian heroes". Brave 300 Spartans from PMC "Wagner" forced the huge army of Azerbaijan to retreat.

The Türkiye newspaper recently published a story about “blondes with blue eyes” who stood up to defend Nagorno-Karabakh. Picking up the plot, the Turkish media started talking about the presence of PMC "Wagner" on the battlefield.

After a short time, rumors about the "Wagnerites" went beyond the pages of Turkish newspapers. Some Russian liberal publications (in particular, the "Caucasian Knot") tried to catch the wave and determine the presence of fighters in Nagorno-Karabakh by indirect signs. This is how another funny moment appeared: wherever the Artsakh Defense Army operated successfully and shot down a large number of Turkish attack drones, it was the merit of the "Wagnerites". Supporters of this version claim that the Azerbaijani troops were so afraid of the Russian volunteers that when they learned that there were supposedly 300 fighters of the Wagner PMC in Shushi, they chose not to start an assault on the city.

However ... after the signing of the trilateral agreement, the Wagner fighters mysteriously disappeared. It turns out that only 300 soldiers of the Russian PMC Wagner successfully resisted the powerful Azerbaijani army, Turkish mercenaries, and terrorists brought from the Middle East. It was their resistance that forced Azerbaijan to sit down at the negotiating table and end hostilities. This is a vivid example of courage and heroism since the "Spartan" times. It turns out that the Wagnerians are so effective that they can easily resist the numerically superior enemy forces. Amazing!

Did Peace just Break out in the Caucasus or Did Russia Strong-Arm Armenia into its Orbit?

Tsavo Lion wrote:...

Did Peace just Break out in the Caucasus or Did Russia Strong-Arm Armenia into its Orbit?

Nikola Mikovic is a freelance journalist living in Serbia. He has written for CGTN, Global Comment, Tsarizm, and Weekly Blitz. Nikola is also a regular contributor to KJ Vids YouTube geopolitical channel. He covers the foreign policies of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, as well as energy issues

Tsavo Lion wrote:Ethnic Armenians Prepare to Give Up Homes  

https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-54943958

https://www.rbc.ru/politics/14/11/2020/5fafad1d9a794782e46c3222

https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3115421.html   


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cayCdnrHgeU

Shusha Once Again Key to War and Peace Between Armenia and Azerbaijan

Karabakh Armistice: Azerbaijani National Triumph, Russian Geopolitical Victory (Part Two)

Did Peace just Break out in the Caucasus or Did Russia Strong-Arm Armenia into its Orbit?

The New Truce in Karabakh: Implications for Azerbaijan and the Region

Backman wrote:Some of the anti Rus propagandists are just conceding on this war and admitting that Russia won this deal and saved what was left of Nagorno-Karabakh. Some just went right into damage control for Nato, and are spinning ridiculous nonsense. The dumbest one yet is this one:

Russian Ceasefire Deal in Nagorno-Karabakh Marks Slow, Painful End of Empire in the South Caucasus
(Article is at the Moscow Times. I cant post links yet)

If you read the headline, you'd think Russian troops were chased out of Armenia. When in reality, its the exact opposite. Truly pathetic damage control nonsense. Its a slow painful end of empire in the Caucasus for the USA more like. The amount of work they did to get Pussynian in there, to see it go up in smoke in 6 weeks.

Russia's CSTO treaty only covers Armenia proper as Russia stated early in the war. But Russia still effectively stood up for Nagorno-Karabakh. It went above its treaty obligations. Without deploying actual Russian troops to Nagorno-Karabakh, Armenia was still at risk of losing it all. Granted I dont think Aliyev is greedy or stupid. He knew where to stop.

If I were an Armenian, I wouldnt want to rely on Aliyev's judgement and mood for peace. Russian troops are really the only muscle behind this peace deal.

Backman wrote:Some of the anti Rus propagandists are just conceding on this war and admitting that Russia won this deal and saved what was left of Nagorno-Karabakh. Some just went right into damage control for Nato, and are spinning ridiculous nonsense. The dumbest one yet is this one:

Russian Ceasefire Deal in Nagorno-Karabakh Marks Slow, Painful End of Empire in the South Caucasus
(Article is at the Moscow Times. I cant post links yet)......

Isos wrote:Clearly not for peacekeeping operations. Generally peacekeepers are lightly armed for self defence. Russians there heavy weapons, soon Orion armed UAVs and they will probably start flying their mig-29 in NK.

It's a real invasion force.


Rob Lee
@RALee85
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53 min
It looks as though Russia's peacekeeping contingent brought RB-341V Leer-3 electronic warfare systems, which come with Orlan-10 UAVs. They can suppress mobile communications and locate cell phones and other communication systems

PapaDragon wrote:

Backman wrote:Some of the anti Rus propagandists are just conceding on this war and admitting that Russia won this deal and saved what was left of Nagorno-Karabakh. Some just went right into damage control for Nato, and are spinning ridiculous nonsense. The dumbest one yet is this one:

Russian Ceasefire Deal in Nagorno-Karabakh Marks Slow, Painful End of Empire in the South Caucasus
(Article is at the Moscow Times. I cant post links yet)......

Don't bother posting, it's from Marc Galleoti a well known liberal retard

Oh my. Armenia’s former National Security Service director, Artur Vanetsyan, has been arrested for allegedly plotting to assassinate Prime Minister Pashinyan, as well as a coup.
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Isos wrote:Clearly not for peacekeeping operations. Generally peacekeepers are lightly armed for self defence. Russians there heavy weapons, soon Orion armed UAVs and they will probably start flying their mig-29 in NK.

It's a real invasion force.

53 min
It looks as though Russia's peacekeeping contingent brought RB-341V Leer-3 electronic warfare systems, which come with Orlan-10 UAVs. They can suppress mobile communications and locate cell phones and other communication systems

Isos wrote:Clearly not for peacekeeping operations. Generally peacekeepers are lightly armed for self defence. Russians there heavy weapons, soon Orion armed UAVs and they will probably start flying their mig-29 in NK.

It's a real invasion force.


Rob Lee
@RALee85
·
53 min
It looks as though Russia's peacekeeping contingent brought RB-341V Leer-3 electronic warfare systems, which come with Orlan-10 UAVs. They can suppress mobile communications and locate cell phones and other communication systems

Isos wrote:Clearly not for peacekeeping operations. Generally peacekeepers are lightly armed for self defence. Russians there heavy weapons, soon Orion armed UAVs and they will probably start flying their mig-29 in NK.

It's a real invasion force.


Rob Lee
@RALee85
·
53 min
It looks as though Russia's peacekeeping contingent brought RB-341V Leer-3 electronic warfare systems, which come with Orlan-10 UAVs. They can suppress mobile communications and locate cell phones and other communication systems

kvs wrote: I think this too much of a sacrifice for Russia.   It
will have to waste resources helping people who have the usual Russia derangement syndrome and will never be
happy by definition.   Russia should have let the Azeris finish the job and ignore this area on a permanent basis.
That includes closing down any bases in Armenia.   Russia does not need them.