2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #2

PapaDragon wrote:

kvs wrote:...And to the prick who posted
that Russia pulled a gangster move, go and fly a kite you propagandist.   You never once raised any of these issues
and went after Russia right from the start.   You are a pro-NATzO clown who poses on this board as not being one....

Dude, I'm pretty sure that the only people you haven't accused of being "pro-NATO something" are the mods (and even they look to be on thin ice)

It's losing all meaning at this point...

magnumcromagnon wrote:

kvs wrote: I think this too much of a sacrifice for Russia.   It
will have to waste resources helping people who have the usual Russia derangement syndrome and will never be
happy by definition.   Russia should have let the Azeris finish the job and ignore this area on a permanent basis.
That includes closing down any bases in Armenia.   Russia does not need them.

Actually your not getting the bigger picture. What are the implications of Federation peacekeepers in NK?

1.) They prevent Armenia and Azerbaijan from entering EU/NATO

2.) They prevent Turkey from getting access to the Caspian Sea

Forget about the political diatribe, what's important is the strategic implications. One of the biggest projects of the US/EU/NATO Axis went crashing in to the dirt in a ball of flame just like the Hindenburg within a months time.

kvs wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

kvs wrote: I think this too much of a sacrifice for Russia.   It
will have to waste resources helping people who have the usual Russia derangement syndrome and will never be
happy by definition.   Russia should have let the Azeris finish the job and ignore this area on a permanent basis.
That includes closing down any bases in Armenia.   Russia does not need them.

Actually your not getting the bigger picture. What are the implications of Federation peacekeepers in NK?

1.) They prevent Armenia and Azerbaijan from entering EU/NATO

2.) They prevent Turkey from getting access to the Caspian Sea

Forget about the political diatribe, what's important is the strategic implications. One of the biggest projects of the US/EU/NATO Axis went crashing in to the dirt in a ball of flame just like the Hindenburg within a months time.

I don't see how Turkish influence in Azerbaijan has attenuated because of some Russian peacekeepers in NK.   Maybe
Russia foisted some concession on Azerbaijan on account of the helicopter shootdown but I highly doubt it.

As for NATzO, it looks like it will keep its quisling regime in Armenia so it stays a de facto member since it will
serve NATzO military, political and economic interests.   Formal membership does not matter all that much since
a colony is still a colony.   Armenia, Georgia, Ukraine, etc. are all colonies.  

kvs wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

kvs wrote: I think this too much of a sacrifice for Russia.   It
will have to waste resources helping people who have the usual Russia derangement syndrome and will never be
happy by definition.   Russia should have let the Azeris finish the job and ignore this area on a permanent basis.
That includes closing down any bases in Armenia.   Russia does not need them.

Actually your not getting the bigger picture. What are the implications of Federation peacekeepers in NK?

1.) They prevent Armenia and Azerbaijan from entering EU/NATO

2.) They prevent Turkey from getting access to the Caspian Sea

Forget about the political diatribe, what's important is the strategic implications. One of the biggest projects of the US/EU/NATO Axis went crashing in to the dirt in a ball of flame just like the Hindenburg within a months time.

As for NATzO, it looks like it will keep its quisling regime in Armenia

Backman wrote:I think its a little too early to determine that. Has Pussyshinyan come out of hiding yet ? Does anyone know where he is ?

Isos wrote:It's too late for propaganda videos. The war is over. They lost.

PapaDragon wrote:
Maybe false, maybe not but if true it would explain why Russia wasn't jumping in too eagerly:

https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/1327683892116074497

Leaked documents from the ARM MOD showing that Minister of Defense Davit Tonoyan, Deputy Defense Minister Makar Ghambaryan and arms dealer David Galstyan were all in contact/making business by selling weapons to Turkish backed Syrian fighters

medo wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Regular wrote:There are already pictures from Russian peacekeepers

They are very graphic.. Armenians didn't even collect their dead.. and they really got massacred, it's not the first pictures of Armenian soldiers piled up on  roadside that were posted..
There was one week ago after the drones hunted them down..

https://twitter.com/StasSwanky/status/1327384003117191170

They went in like fucking headless chicken to Shusha. Anna guys saved themselves by just looking at the side of the road.

A lot of this is due to total lack of military basics.

I think we will need some time to see, how big this Pashinyan's betrayal was. It was long in the making. Pashinyan dissmissed almost all veteran generals, who were schooled un USSR/Russia and placethose, who have some courses in the west. Pashinyan surrender Artzakh to Turks and they start war, when Russia was occupied with Belarus and Baltics. There were a lot of voluntiers, who come to Armenia at the beginning of war, but Pashinyan send them home, saying they will call them, when they will need them and they never called voluntiers. Some succede to go to Artrzakh on their own, but they were unarmed and without commandres. Pashinyan simply did nothing and is waiting in his office, that Artzakh fell in the hands of Turkey. Between those, who were killed, they were mostly young Artzakh conscripts and some older veteran voluntiers. By some informations, it was Pashinyan, who order to remove defense commander of Artzakh general Harutyunyan, who was wounded, when his car explode.

Artzakh is small and have only 150.000 of citizens. They have to fihght alone against so large enemy of Azerbaijan, Turkey and ISIS and with such a traitor behind them. In such conditions they become clear, that only Russia could save they and that they have to survive and defend themselves until Russia intervene. They succede and Russian amry is now there. Artzakh didn't fall as it was planned by Aliev, Erdogan and Pashinyan. This is victory for Artzakh. In those circumastances, Russian intervention was the only solution to save Artzakh and it happened. Russia will not allow new genocide over Armenians in Artzakh, so Azerbaijan will not get it. Now we have to wait, that Russia bring all planed forces in Artzakh, than they will start fulfiling their decisions.

Mindstorm wrote:

Isos wrote:It's too late for propaganda videos. The war is over. They lost.

For one i don't see any propaganda in this video, but more interesting i find that it provide a very important and accurate proof of what i attempt to say since weeks:  

That is what 99% of war's times (included this one) look like: a lot of small and infantry level authomatic arms fires (and wounded and deaths from small fires), a lot of mortar exchange, tanks fire and artillery fire, nothing exotic and nothing anti-conventional.

If you were an Arksath or Azerbaijani soldier in that conflict your chances to die from mortar fire, an artillery barrage, MBTs HE-Frag rounds or enemy authomatic weapons would had been dozen of times greater than die from unmanned vehicles, difference is that ,except in instances, like this one, where a journalist purposely record videos of the typical daily opertations you see only the 5-6 attacks the UAVs carry on on all fronts of the war.

The UAVs instead provided to Azerbaijan, at immense costs, against those very obsoletely equipped Arksath's forces (in the video you can see clearly 2К11 "Круг" air defense ,Т-72Аs, БМП-2s) capability to surveil and hit in the deep of enemy lines so to provide an edge against the Arksath forces in the ground operations anyway representing 97-98% of the conflict's action.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

kvs wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

kvs wrote: I think this too much of a sacrifice for Russia.   It
will have to waste resources helping people who have the usual Russia derangement syndrome and will never be
happy by definition.   Russia should have let the Azeris finish the job and ignore this area on a permanent basis.
That includes closing down any bases in Armenia.   Russia does not need them.

Actually your not getting the bigger picture. What are the implications of Federation peacekeepers in NK?

1.) They prevent Armenia and Azerbaijan from entering EU/NATO

2.) They prevent Turkey from getting access to the Caspian Sea

Forget about the political diatribe, what's important is the strategic implications. One of the biggest projects of the US/EU/NATO Axis went crashing in to the dirt in a ball of flame just like the Hindenburg within a months time.

I don't see how Turkish influence in Azerbaijan has attenuated because of some Russian peacekeepers in NK.   Maybe
Russia foisted some concession on Azerbaijan on account of the helicopter shootdown but I highly doubt it.

As for NATzO, it looks like it will keep its quisling regime in Armenia so it stays a de facto member since it will
serve NATzO military, political and economic interests.   Formal membership does not matter all that much since
a colony is still a colony.   Armenia, Georgia, Ukraine, etc. are all colonies.  

I don't think you understand the frozen conflict in NK which Armenian and Azeri's are attached to the hip to, make it impossible for them join EU/NATO. It doesn't matter if they're pro-whatever, they won't be able to foist Euro meatshield in those lands. There were maps that showed Azeri's were trying to get a land bridge between Turkey and Azerbaijan to the Caspian Sea, which now the Russian's control. The reality is whether you like it or not, Erdogan's ambitions have to be be bottlenecked.

medo wrote:

Backman wrote:I think its a little too early to determine that. Has Pussyshinyan come out of hiding yet ? Does anyone know where he is ?

US embasy in Erevan.

Iran struck adjacent territory after militants attempted to break through the border


For the first time in recent years, the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) was involved in a counter-terrorist operation in the northwest of the country. In this region, Iran borders with Turkey, Armenia and Azerbaijan.

As you know, during the escalation of the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, ammunition repeatedly fell on Iranian territory. It was also reported (including by official Russian representatives) about the presence of militants transferred to the region from the Syrian Arab Republic through Turkey.

An Iranian source reported that the IRGC launched an artillery attack on clusters of militants near the northwestern borders. Moreover, an important fact is that the IRGC's artillery struck, according to the ISNA information service, "on the adjacent territory."


It is not reported which specific state is in question from the bordering Iran. But it is reported that the militants tried to break into Iranian territory.

The blow came after Iran's border troops suffered losses last Friday in a clash with militants - three dead and two wounded border guards. According to the Tasnim agency, the terrorists tried to break through the border in the north-west of the country in a large group.

Earlier, Tehran stated that if the threat to Iran persists and if "at least one more shell explodes on Iranian territory," then a blow will be struck. It turns out that Tehran kept its promises.

https://en.topwar.ru/177113-iran-nanes-udar-po-sopredelnoj-territorii-posle-popytki-proryva-boevikov-cherez-granicu.html

kvs wrote:Some posters in this thread are pushing revisionist BS about post USSR Armenia.   Armenians voted 99.51% in favour of the
dissolution of the USSR.   This is not a minor detail, it is a perfect mirror of the sentiments in Armenia.   The post USSR
regime in Armenia was nationalist and remained until the NATzO occupational regime took over in 2018.  The pro-Russian
Armenia BS is the same as the Yanukovich was a Russian stooge BS.    

Also, spare the corruption trope.   NATzO is perfectly fine with corruption as long as the corrupt oligarchs are aligned with it.
The US is perfectly fine with the Afghanistan heroin production since that heroin serves its interests.   If it wasn't they
would have kept the Taliban policies on poppy plantations intact.  

So, did corruption go away after Pussynian took over?  I guess under Yeltsin there was no corruption in Russia.   Navalny
is on the same page as some of the posters in this thread.   The morons parading "against" corruption in Yerevan in 2018
are the sort of useful idiots who also paraded on the Maidan in Ukraine in 2013 and 2014.   Unfortunately, these useful
idiots have a critical mass in the ex-USSR republics and it is not Russia's job to help them.

kvs wrote:Pussynian is following the same marching orders as the pro-NATzO clowns in Ukraine.   His first target was to degrade
the Armenian military since it was a loyalist obstacle to his NATzO occupation agenda.    Unlike in Latin America, where
the military of many countries has been thoroughly corrupted and staged/stages coups to serve Washington, in Armenia
and in Ukraine the army was still independent of NATzO control.  

So Pussynian and his occupational regime are directly responsible for the situation in NK.   And to the prick who posted
that Russia pulled a gangster move, go and fly a kite you propagandist.   You never once raised any of these issues
and went after Russia right from the start.   You are a pro-NATzO clown who poses on this board as not being one.

From the events in Armenia it appears that the NATzO occupational regime is not going to go and will instead arrest
all of the "coup plotters".   So Russia by no means put any control on Armenia.   It remains a Georgia style anti-Russian
toilet.   Those 2,000 peacekeepers are there for the sake of NK.   I think this too much of a sacrifice for Russia.   It
will have to waste resources helping people who have the usual Russia derangement syndrome and will never be
happy by definition.   Russia should have let the Azeris finish the job and ignore this area on a permanent basis.
That includes closing down any bases in Armenia.   Russia does not need them.

KoTeMoRe wrote:Russia litterally annexed Crimea and backed people in Donbass for far less than this you trash.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Russia litterally annexed Crimea and backed people in Donbass for far less than this you trash.

Incorrect, it was a retrocession, a reversal of the decision from the Ukrainian Nikita Kruschev.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

kvs wrote:Pussynian is following the same marching orders as the pro-NATzO clowns in Ukraine.   His first target was to degrade
the Armenian military since it was a loyalist obstacle to his NATzO occupation agenda.    Unlike in Latin America, where
the military of many countries has been thoroughly corrupted and staged/stages coups to serve Washington, in Armenia
and in Ukraine the army was still independent of NATzO control.  

So Pussynian and his occupational regime are directly responsible for the situation in NK.   And to the prick who posted
that Russia pulled a gangster move, go and fly a kite you propagandist.   You never once raised any of these issues
and went after Russia right from the start.   You are a pro-NATzO clown who poses on this board as not being one.

From the events in Armenia it appears that the NATzO occupational regime is not going to go and will instead arrest
all of the "coup plotters".   So Russia by no means put any control on Armenia.   It remains a Georgia style anti-Russian
toilet.   Those 2,000 peacekeepers are there for the sake of NK.   I think this too much of a sacrifice for Russia.   It
will have to waste resources helping people who have the usual Russia derangement syndrome and will never be
happy by definition.   Russia should have let the Azeris finish the job and ignore this area on a permanent basis.
That includes closing down any bases in Armenia.   Russia does not need them.

Russia litterally annexed Crimea and backed people in Donbass for far less than this you trash.

miketheterrible wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

kvs wrote:Pussynian is following the same marching orders as the pro-NATzO clowns in Ukraine.   His first target was to degrade
the Armenian military since it was a loyalist obstacle to his NATzO occupation agenda.    Unlike in Latin America, where
the military of many countries has been thoroughly corrupted and staged/stages coups to serve Washington, in Armenia
and in Ukraine the army was still independent of NATzO control.  

So Pussynian and his occupational regime are directly responsible for the situation in NK.   And to the prick who posted
that Russia pulled a gangster move, go and fly a kite you propagandist.   You never once raised any of these issues
and went after Russia right from the start.   You are a pro-NATzO clown who poses on this board as not being one.

From the events in Armenia it appears that the NATzO occupational regime is not going to go and will instead arrest
all of the "coup plotters".   So Russia by no means put any control on Armenia.   It remains a Georgia style anti-Russian
toilet.   Those 2,000 peacekeepers are there for the sake of NK.   I think this too much of a sacrifice for Russia.   It
will have to waste resources helping people who have the usual Russia derangement syndrome and will never be
happy by definition.   Russia should have let the Azeris finish the job and ignore this area on a permanent basis.
That includes closing down any bases in Armenia.   Russia does not need them.

Russia litterally annexed Crimea and backed people in Donbass for far less than this you trash.

You are fucking trash.

You are being retarded for no fucking reason. You know plain well Russia obtained back it's inherent land through a vote. So fuck off retard.

Your glorious Armenians fucked up cause they are as retarded as you are.