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    2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #2

    miketheterrible
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    Post  miketheterrible 16/11/20, 05:44 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    kvs wrote:Pussynian is following the same marching orders as the pro-NATzO clowns in Ukraine.   His first target was to degrade
    the Armenian military since it was a loyalist obstacle to his NATzO occupation agenda.    Unlike in Latin America, where
    the military of many countries has been thoroughly corrupted and staged/stages coups to serve Washington, in Armenia
    and in Ukraine the army was still independent of NATzO control.  

    So Pussynian and his occupational regime are directly responsible for the situation in NK.   And to the prick who posted
    that Russia pulled a gangster move, go and fly a kite you propagandist.   You never once raised any of these issues
    and went after Russia right from the start.   You are a pro-NATzO clown who poses on this board as not being one.

    From the events in Armenia it appears that the NATzO occupational regime is not going to go and will instead arrest
    all of the "coup plotters".   So Russia by no means put any control on Armenia.   It remains a Georgia style anti-Russian
    toilet.   Those 2,000 peacekeepers are there for the sake of NK.   I think this too much of a sacrifice for Russia.   It
    will have to waste resources helping people who have the usual Russia derangement syndrome and will never be
    happy by definition.   Russia should have let the Azeris finish the job and ignore this area on a permanent basis.
    That includes closing down any bases in Armenia.   Russia does not need them
    .

    Russia litterally annexed Crimea and backed people in Donbass for far less than this you trash.

    You are fucking trash.

    You are being retarded for no fucking reason. You know plain well Russia obtained back it's inherent land through a vote. So fuck off retard.

    Your glorious Armenians fucked up cause they are as retarded as you are.

    A vote by whom? Local inhabitants of Crimea? Sure, who agreed on the referendum? Did Ukraine? I don't think so.
    Just GTFO of this forum you're destroying the last specks of credibility is has left.

    They're not my Armenians you ****, they're Russia's Armenians now.


    Ukraine broke its own constitution and as per UN, one can lead to self determination, and Crimea tried three times.  Since Ukraine broke its own constitution by a coup in 2014, their government isnt legit. Hence why Russia did what they did.

    You don't need "Ukrainian" permission. And I'm Ukrainian dumbass.

    You have no respect because you are just spewing things you clearly don't know and make no sense.

    Why don't you gtfo? Clearly you know shit so why stay?

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    Post  Backman 16/11/20, 05:50 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    kvs wrote:Pussynian is following the same marching orders as the pro-NATzO clowns in Ukraine.   His first target was to degrade
    the Armenian military since it was a loyalist obstacle to his NATzO occupation agenda.    Unlike in Latin America, where
    the military of many countries has been thoroughly corrupted and staged/stages coups to serve Washington, in Armenia
    and in Ukraine the army was still independent of NATzO control.  

    So Pussynian and his occupational regime are directly responsible for the situation in NK.   And to the prick who posted
    that Russia pulled a gangster move, go and fly a kite you propagandist.   You never once raised any of these issues
    and went after Russia right from the start.   You are a pro-NATzO clown who poses on this board as not being one.

    From the events in Armenia it appears that the NATzO occupational regime is not going to go and will instead arrest
    all of the "coup plotters".   So Russia by no means put any control on Armenia.   It remains a Georgia style anti-Russian
    toilet.   Those 2,000 peacekeepers are there for the sake of NK.   I think this too much of a sacrifice for Russia.   It
    will have to waste resources helping people who have the usual Russia derangement syndrome and will never be
    happy by definition.   Russia should have let the Azeris finish the job and ignore this area on a permanent basis.
    That includes closing down any bases in Armenia.   Russia does not need them
    .

    Russia litterally annexed Crimea and backed people in Donbass for far less than this you trash.

    Russia negotiated for 17 years to have Ukraine it's most favored nation status holder only to have it ripped up by a US coup 2 years later.

    Ukraine had Russia's most important naval base.

    Ukraine is where standing armies historicaly stage to attack Russia.

    Ukraine is far different than Armenia.

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    Post  miketheterrible 16/11/20, 05:52 am

    Backman wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    kvs wrote:Pussynian is following the same marching orders as the pro-NATzO clowns in Ukraine.   His first target was to degrade
    the Armenian military since it was a loyalist obstacle to his NATzO occupation agenda.    Unlike in Latin America, where
    the military of many countries has been thoroughly corrupted and staged/stages coups to serve Washington, in Armenia
    and in Ukraine the army was still independent of NATzO control.  

    So Pussynian and his occupational regime are directly responsible for the situation in NK.   And to the prick who posted
    that Russia pulled a gangster move, go and fly a kite you propagandist.   You never once raised any of these issues
    and went after Russia right from the start.   You are a pro-NATzO clown who poses on this board as not being one.

    From the events in Armenia it appears that the NATzO occupational regime is not going to go and will instead arrest
    all of the "coup plotters".   So Russia by no means put any control on Armenia.   It remains a Georgia style anti-Russian
    toilet.   Those 2,000 peacekeepers are there for the sake of NK.   I think this too much of a sacrifice for Russia.   It
    will have to waste resources helping people who have the usual Russia derangement syndrome and will never be
    happy by definition.   Russia should have let the Azeris finish the job and ignore this area on a permanent basis.
    That includes closing down any bases in Armenia.   Russia does not need them
    .

    Russia litterally annexed Crimea and backed people in Donbass for far less than this you trash.

    Russia negotiated for 17 years to have Ukraine it's most favored nation status holder only to have it ripped up by a US coup 2 years later.

    Ukraine had Russia's most important naval base.

    Ukraine is where standing armies historicaly stage to attack Russia.

    Ukraine is far different than Armenia.

    The guy is an emotional wreck and a big tool

    Fuck him.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion 16/11/20, 05:52 am

    They have 14 or so mig-29SMT based in Armenia.
    which could use the Russian guarded Lachin corridor to avoid the Azeri airspace.
     https://ria.ru/20201115/karabakh-1584623057.html
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    Post  magnumcromagnon 16/11/20, 05:54 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Russia litterally annexed Crimea and backed people in Donbass for far less than this you trash.

    Incorrect, it was a retrocession, a reversal of the decision from the Ukrainian Nikita Kruschev.

    Retrocession by whom?
    Jesus, Ukraine did not agree to the "retrocession" it was first captured the atached unilaterally by Russia, that's what an annexion is.

    Crimeans didn't agree to be given as a gift to Ukraine by a Ukrainian, and they voted to leave lol...cry more Balkan diaper rash! Razz

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    Post  franco 16/11/20, 05:56 am

    Karabakh 2020 and our future wars. Political analysis

    For the tragedy of the war in Karabakh, there is some background that has not been voiced in the press.

    War, as Clausewitz taught us, is the continuation of politics by other, violent means. This means that it is impossible to prepare for war, ignoring political factors. War and politics are inextricably linked, moreover, in recent decades, the West has made the “opposite” statement of Zhou Enlai to Clausewitz's statement, that the opposite is true - politics is the continuation of the war by other, non-violent means. Who is right - Karl von Clausewitz or Zhou Enlai?

    It's simple - corpses are formed in a war, and "clean" politics does without it. Are corpses formed as a result of Western policy? And how. So the statesman of the PRC is right. The last Karabakh war confirms this, one has only to “look behind the scenes”. Moreover, for Armenia, the background of this tragic historical episode is much less important than for Russia.

    Why did Pashinyan do all this?

    Nikol Pashinyan is an Armenian Navalny, and his example shows well what happens to the peoples who believed their Navalny. It is especially important in this that the consequences of Pashinyan's "work" can be considered irreversible for Armenia, they cannot be corrected. This is also in a certain sense a political lesson.

    But something else is much more important - like Navalny, Pashinyan had foreign patrons. As in the case with Navalny, he was told what he should do. And he did it. Let's figure out what and why, but first, a little about another person who has remained "in the shadows."

    In 2018, Armen Sarkissian became the President of Armenia. In Russia, few people think about this person, especially since after a certain moment in Armenia, not the president, but the prime minister is the most influential leader.

    But, nevertheless, it is worth focusing on the following. Sargsyan spent most of his life in London. First as a scientist from the USSR, then as an Armenian diplomat. Queen Elizabeth II addressed him by name; Prince Charles came to visit him in Armenia. This person is not just a part of the Western elites - he is part of them (just read this and this ).

    Sargsyan, barely finding himself in the presidency, immediately fell into a scandal - it turned out that he still pays taxes in Britain as a British citizen, at least he submitted his declaration for 2014, although he previously claimed that he had withdrawn from British citizenship in 2011 year. Dual citizenship is prohibited in Armenia. But everything was quickly hushed up.

    Three months after the appointment of the British President Sargsyan, a revolution broke out in Yerevan. The reason for it was the attempt of the former president, hated by the people Serzh Sargsyan, to "climb" into the prime ministers, in violation of his own promises not to do so.

    Very quickly, our “hero”, Nikol Pashinyan, became the head of the protests, dressed up in camouflage and letting go of his beard in order to look more serious and impressive, and to resemble one of the Armenian heroes of the war in Karabakh, even the first one.

    Everything would be fine, but "the revolution has a beginning, the revolution has no end" - after Sargsyan resigned and early parliamentary elections were called at the request of the opposition, Pashinyan only intensified the heat of the struggle for power and, as a result, widely using "Unsportsmanlike" methods, was able to take the post of prime minister. And - an important point - not without the participation of the British "overseer" Sargsyan, who at a certain moment neatly acted as a mediator in the current political crisis in Armenia.

    What did Pashinyan do in the Karabakh direction when he became prime minister? Let's list it:

    1. During the protests in 2018, Pashinyan declared that he would recognize the independence of Artsakh (Karabakh), which could not but cause concern in Azerbaijan. True, in the end he did not admit it.
    2. He did not disavow his old statements that there will be no compromises with Azerbaijan on the territories, as well as about the territorial claims of Artsakh to Azerbaijan.
    3. Immediately after the inauguration, Pashinyan went to Karabakh, to the city of Shusha. The specificity of this place is that before the war and the collapse of the USSR, this city was almost completely inhabited by Azerbaijanis, but now, of course, they are not there. There were heavy battles for Shusha in the first war: the Azerbaijanis from this city fired on Stepanakert, and the Armenians had to take it by storm. But given the events that followed his capture, the Armenians shouldn't have drawn attention to Shusha too often. Pashinyan, on the other hand, demonstratively arrived there, as if the prime minister had no other business, and arranged dances there in honor of the anniversary of the capture of the city by the Armenians. It is not difficult to understand what thoughts and emotions this trick aroused in Azerbaijan.
    4. Pashinyan has repeatedly made statements on Karabakh openly provocative towards Azerbaijan.

    It would seem that after all this, Pashinyan would have to sharply intensify contacts with the Russian Federation, on the one hand, because without Russia, Armenia could not fight off a much richer and more populated Azerbaijan, and on the other, help to strengthen the border with Azerbaijan. But Pashinyan behaved very differently.

    Let us briefly list his policy towards the Russian Federation:

    1. Arrests, moreover, illegal, of pro-Russian politicians.
    2. The arrest of the Secretary General of the CSTO - a military structure, which, in theory, should have protected Armenia, if anything happened.
    3. Abusive behavior towards the President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin, to the extent that Pashinyan did not meet him at the airport during his visit to Yerevan in 2019. Putin's request to end the politically motivated persecution of Robert Kocharian was also ignored. If we list all of Pashinyan's anti-Russian demarches, then a whole article will not be enough. Something you can see here .

    What was the reason for this? There is a theory that Pashinyan is just an idiot. Those who think so should try to seize power in some country. Pashinyan could do it, albeit with outside help. Pashinyan is not an idiot, and his anti-Russian antics are due to the fact that his masters from the West, including the structures of the notorious George Soros, sought this from him.

    The connections between Pashinyan and Soros, as well as his spitting at Russia, are described in more or less detail in this article in Gazeta.Ru , which is strictly required to read.
    Naturally, various Western non-profit organizations such as Freedom House in Pashinyan simply “doted”, and in the Western press it was just a beacon of democracy.

    But maybe at least Pashinyan somehow strengthened the defense of Artsakh? Also no, nothing has changed much in the two years of his premiership. Today they say that Armenians had no money. But did they have picks with crowbars? Cement, reinforcement? Camouflage nets? Maybe at least the defensive positions needed to be properly equipped? Disguise from observation from above? The Armenians did NOTHING. Pashinyan, without doing ANYTHING, actively provoked Azerbaijan and severed ties with the Russian Federation - all at the same time.

    And this is in the conditions when there were battles with Azerbaijan quite recently along the line of contact, when there was already a trend to "enter" the Transcaucasia of Turkey, in which the Armenians had already been subjected to genocide once, when people in Azerbaijan received their first captain and lieutenant shoulder straps. ALL LIFE we lived in an atmosphere of expectation of an Azerbaijani revenge in Karabakh, all, completely, from the moment when they learned to speak. And when Azerbaijan already had both numerical and qualitative superiority over Armenia. And a more powerful economy.

    Through the eyes of Aliyev.


    Let's look at the situation with the eyes of Azerbaijanis. The return of Karabakh, and especially the territories of Azerbaijan around it, was a fix idea, a "karmic debt" for all Azerbaijanis after defeat in the first war, it was no secret to anyone. The Azerbaijanis were very indiscriminate in their means in those years, but the Armenians also quite skillfully carried out ethnic cleansing, which became a serious "birth trauma" for Azerbaijan, which had lost the war.

    National revenge was just a matter of time, and Azerbaijan was actively preparing for this revenge, first of all, by properly indoctrinating the youth. Whoever watched the online discussions at Azerbaijani forums in the 2000s and 2010s will not allow lying - the idea that "we have to do this" was simply unbreakable, this was their vision of reality, a future in which the Azerbaijani a soldier would not stand firmly on the land of the NKR, in Azerbaijan they could not imagine, even if for some reason they wanted. But they didn't want to.

    Ilham Aliyev made a huge contribution to the acquisition of military capabilities for this. In 2020, Azerbaijani troops turned out to be trained, organized and motivated for battles with heavy losses, their technical support was sufficient to storm defensive positions in the mountains. Aliyev was also confident in strong support from his ally Turkey.

    Israel also made a significant contribution to the growth of Azerbaijan's military capabilities, and Russia also supplied Baku with modern weapons without restrictions.

    But weapons and troops are one thing, and the political support of military operations is another. Aliyev knew that if something happened, both Russia and Iran could pull him down. Yes, so it happened the last time. And this problem was intractable - although Russia does not need such an "ally" as Armenia, but, alas, the situation obliges to intervene. That was until the moment when Pashinyan came to power in Yerevan.

    And this factor changed everything - Pashinyan insulted the national pride of Azerbaijan as best he could, but at the same time, at the same time, he drove relations with Russia into a serious crisis. Pashinyan insulted Putin, provoked, or at least did not extinguish, anti-Russian sentiments in the country, and at the same time tried his best to get closer to the West.

    What should Aliyev have thought at this moment? That there will be no other moment when Russia simply will not be able to “fit in” for Armenia, and it is necessary to attack now. So he did in the end, and we know the result today.

    Let us ask ourselves the question - did not Pashinyan provoke this war with all these antics? If we admit that he did not provoke, then we must admit Pashinyan is an idiot, but we have just established that he is not an idiot, right? So.

    Deliberate provocation.

    Pashinyan deliberately provoked a conflict with Azerbaijan, today this is obvious. He did it because his masters demanded it from him, and he performed this task masterfully.

    Why would the owners need it? Then, if Putin were not so cold-blooded, we would get involved in this war. Turkey in Transcaucasia is unprofitable for us, we do not need Syrian militants on the border with Dagestan. We also don't need the fact that someone is solving problems in the former USSR by force, all this brings us harm. Under these conditions, the use of force by Russia against Azerbaijan could not be recognized as impossible, at least its demonstration (what it turned out) during the Kavkaz-2020 command and control squad was directed specifically to Aliyev and Erdogan, who was behind him.

    But, if we happened to get there, we would have to fight not only with Azerbaijan, but also with Turkey, and not only in Transcaucasia. And we were absolutely not ready for this, and we are not ready now. And no punching in the chest like the Caucasus-2020 exercises will deceive anyone.

    The provocation of just such a war took place in Karabakh, and it was for him that the West pushed Pashinyan into the prime minister of Armenia. All this multi-move was against us.

    And the fury with which the pro-Armenian agitators intimidated us with Erdogan from all the alarm clocks during this war is very significant. Indeed, before, none of these people tried to warn Pashinyan at least remotely about how everything could end. And everything was obvious.

    The fact that Soros's agent Pashinyan, who was nurtured by the British Sargsyan, did everything on purpose is indirectly documented. And the same indirect documentary evidence contains information about where we will "catch" the next blow.

    RAND Report


    In 2019, the American RAND corporation, known to everyone who is interested, and one of the most important military-political “thought factories” in the United States, released a report entitled “Extending Russia. Сompeting from Advantageous Ground ". The approximate meaning of this name without losing its meaning in Russian sounds like “Straining Russia. Competing from a position of advantage ”.
    The report in different formats is available from the link on the RAND website , and a paper version can also be purchased there.

    The content of this document is extremely simple - it contains various possible options for the United States of America to conduct a policy harmful to Russia. The authors of the report in the preamble write in plain text that the purpose of the proposed measures is not to contain Russia (this is possible as a "bonus"), but to overstrain it, harm it without slipping into military action.

    The authors proposed various directions for putting pressure on the Russian Federation, from interfering with gas exports, to expanding the US military presence in Europe as an instrument of pressure on the Russian Federation. In principle, in an obvious way, after a few months, the United States began to act strictly in accordance with this report, pushing exactly the vulnerabilities pointed out by its authors.This means that there is a high degree of certainty that the RAND algorithms have been adopted by the Trump administration.

    On the one hand, this gives us the opportunity to find out the future - the Americans kindly published their plans, and then by their actions showed that these are EXACTLY PLANS, and not just a conceptual document. They, of course, differ in some way from the actually taken actions that followed later, but any plan for a war or operation, or a decision to fight, differs from its own implementation - always. At least it is obvious WHERE the Americans will conduct offensive subversive actions against us, and for what purpose.

    On the other hand, this document gives us the opportunity to understand the past, including Karabakh.

    In the chapter devoted to the geopolitical "measurement" of pressure on Russia, RAND identifies the following possible points of impact:

    1. Arms assistance to Ukraine.
    2. Strengthening support for the Syrian rebels.
    3. Facilitating regime change in Belarus.
    4. The use of "friction" in the Caucasus.
    5. Reducing the influence of Russia in Central Asia.
    6. Complication of the presence of Russia in Moldova (Transnistria).

    It is easy to see that with all the differences between the events that we observed in late 2019 - early 2020, from the published plans, with the directions of US attacks on our interests, RAND “guessed”.
    That's it, point by point.

    What did the report say about the situation in Zakaz'ye?
    If we ignore what has been written about Georgia and attempts to get closer to Azerbaijan (which in reality did not exist), then the picture in RAND's analytics is as follows. To "strain" Russia and force it to spend additional funds and forces to strengthen the Southern Military District, it is necessary to try to tear Armenia away from Russia and turn it towards the West.

    At the same time, it remains unclear how the fact of the existence of a dispute with Azerbaijan in Nagorno-Karabakh will affect this maneuver of Armenia. The risk for the United States is Azerbaijan, which can replace Russia with Armenia as a partner or resolve the Karabakh issue by force. It is not clear to the USA how to solve the Karabakh issue, NATO is pushing both Armenia and Azerbaijan to solve it with the help of Russia. It was emphasized that the involvement of the West in all these matters should be minimal, since with serious participation in the affairs of the region, it would be the West that would be “tense”, and not Russia.

    Looks like what happened?

    Yes, minus the fact that Pashinyan really teased Aliyev. Thus, it can be stated that the United States was interested in the region, saw the risks in it, planned actions in the Armenian direction, taking into account the PRESENCE of Pashinyan - they acted there (together with the British), and in the event of a war in Karabakh, they planned to “reel in fishing rods”. The goal is to force Russia to spend resources. Happened?

    Now we will keep 2,000 soldiers in Karabakh to protect people there who, in large part, hate us, we have already lost two people killed there and a helicopter. And the United States, Soros and the West as a whole simply threw Pashinyan when he did what was required of him. And they didn’t fit in for Armenia, against which the Azeri risk had “shot”.

    That is, RAND indicated the path, indicated the goal, the region and with whom in this region it is necessary to start, but during the implementation it did not work out as the corporation planned, while the desired result - the shackling of the resources of the Russian Federation in this "swamp", was nevertheless achieved ... The difference between the plan of the operation and its course as it is.

    However, we repeat once again - RAND is RAND, it is a private corporation, but what is actually planned in Washington and London may have and does differ from analysts' plans, including in terms of goal-setting. And if RAND could superficially treat the Turkish factor in Zakazkazye, then those people who make decisions on allocating resources for specific undertakings (Pashinyan) do not make such stupid mistakes. The Turkish factor was clearly taken into account in this multi-move.

    Russia, unfortunately, missed the opportunity to solve the problem "inexpensively". Now we will get stuck there, and the Turkish influence will only increase. Nothing can be done now: we missed this blow. Will we miss the next one?

    The next battlefield is Transnistria.

    With all the drawbacks of a "reactive" strategy, we know where the enemy will hit next time. This is Transnistria. The point is vulnerable and dangerous. Technically, if at the same time Ukraine and Moldova embark on a blockade of Transnistria, then Russia will have no choice but to invade the territory of Ukraine or another military operation against this country. If the Ukrainian authorities do not respond to military losses with concessions, then in principle the Russian Federation will have only two options.

    The first is the landing operation and the "breakdown" of the corridor to Tiraspol from the Black Sea. At the same time, we will face the risk of Romania joining the war, then NATO and, as a result, the United States, which by a certain point can make the war nuclear. But you can't retreat either, this will not be the case.

    The second option is, as Putin promised to do, if Ukraine provokes an escalation of the war in Donbass during the FIFA World Cup, liquidate Ukrainian statehood and break through the "corridor" in Transnistria on the ground. Throughout Ukraine.

    It is not hard to guess that these options can be incredibly expensive for the RF. Of course, the listed risks are maximum, in reality everything can end much easier, even Poroshenko did not dare to introduce a blockade of Transnistria, although this issue was discussed a couple of times. But there is no guarantee that it will never come to that.

    What does the RAND report say about Transnistria? In addition to the delusional (and RAND immediately marks this idea as dubious) idea to attract the youth of Transnistria to its side, RAND plans are as follows.

    Strengthen EU support for Moldova, deepen cooperation with NATO, invite Moldova to NATO, help Moldova break the 1994 agreements on the basis of which Russian peacekeepers are present in Transnistria and persuade Moldova to seek their withdrawal - naturally, with broad support from the international community ".

    The advantages of such a policy are the damage to Russia and the benefits for Romania. The authors of the report indicate that part of the population of Moldova has aspirations to join Romania. At the same time, RAND analysts take into account the fact that the population of Transnistria and Russia may offer "violent" resistance to the reunification of Moldova - but do not draw any conclusions from this, simply pointing out that such a risk exists.

    In addition, RAND analysts are doing the same "trick" as they did in the case of Armenia - just as they "did not notice" that Turkey is actively involved in the politics of the Caucasus, similarly they managed to "overlook" the interests and politics Romania, they just mentioned it and that's it. And the fact that it will also act - no. And, as in the case of Turkey in the Transcaucasus, this player has its own integration project in the region.

    But again, RAND identified the pain point correctly. And in it those events are already beginning to unfold, with the help of which the Americans again plan to "strain" us in RAND terminology, and in fact - to drag us into another war.

    Transnistrian front.


    Elections are taking place in Moldova now. The first round has already been completed, two candidates qualified for the second - the pro-Russian incumbent President Igor Dodon and the anti-Russian Maia Sandu. The second round will take place on November 15.

    According to an express poll conducted by the non-governmental organization WatchDog and the Institute for Public Policy, 41 percent of citizens voted for Dodon in the first round, and 35 percent for Sandu. “Her victory came as a surprise to everyone,” says Jan Lisnevsky, director of the Intellect Group, a consulting and analytical company, in an interview with DW. “The Diaspora ensured Sandu's victory. For the first time in the history of Moldova, the turnout at foreign polling stations was unprecedentedly high, although there were no significant prerequisites for mass mobilization of voters, ”he says. The high turnout looked especially strange, given the huge number of cases and unprecedented quarantine measures in connection with the Covid-19 pandemic, which suggests that the data from foreign sites was simply falsified.

    The publication also quotes the words of the chairman of the Trade Union of employees of power structures of Moldova, Yuri Chofu:

    “We do not know what the plans of its overseas curators are, but the people of Moldova have already seen the true face of Western strategists and their local activists in the 1990s, in April 2009, when the parliament and presidency buildings were burned down, and just recently in Varnitsa, when supporters Sandu blocked roads, punctured car tires, threatened voters from Transnistria and called them separatists. One organizer is behind all these events - the Americans. The West made it clear: if Maya Sandu does not win, then the elections in Moldova are rigged. Everything goes to this. The Americans have a program of color revolutions rolled back, worked out "

    So, it seems that the new "point of application" of the US is already known - Moldova and Transnistria. Well, the geographical map is also known, where and what is there - it is clear. However, if Sandu really wins the elections (whether honestly or not), then Russia will not be able to feed the Russian population of Transnistria to someone (Romanians, for example), it will be an internal political catastrophe.

    If Chisinau really falls on Tiraspol, especially with the help of Romania, and if Ukraine supports it at least in some way, then a very difficult situation will turn out - a choice between an internal political catastrophe or a very big war. In the event of Sandu's victory, it remains to hope for the prudence of Kiev, no matter how unreliable it sounds.

    Last time, in the face of a similar impending disaster, and in many respects for the sake of preventing it from happening, “vacationers” appeared in eastern Ukraine. How they find themselves on the western border of Ukraine was described above.

    I would like to believe that the Kremlin read this American report and came up with some beautiful and competent move in advance. There is simply no time to start inventing it right now.

    Conclusion.

    As can be seen from everything that happened in Karabakh and what is happening now around Moldova, all these wars, although based on real and long-standing contradictions in the regions (Karabakh and Transnistria began without American participation), do not escalate on their own - they are skillfully aggravated, and sharpen very cheaply. What turned out to be cheaper - hiring Pashinyan and a couple of hundred more unprincipled people like him, or our deployment of a peacekeeping contingent in Karabakh for an indefinite period?

    What will be cheaper - financing the activities of Maia Sandu or a potential landing operation with a "breakdown" of the corridor from the Black Sea coast to Transnistria?

    Some domestic "political scientists" are beginning to realize that we are being "laid over", but the enemy is hiding absolutely nothing, all his directions for future efforts are not just obvious - they are spelled out in analytical reports and various documents, we know everything in advance, but here's why- So far, there has not been any early reaction on the part of Russia that would have made it possible to stop the threats in advance.

    Wealthy America AGAIN spends disproportionately less to harm us than we do to deal with the consequences. Moreover, it acts "according to Zhou Enlai" - continuing the war by other, not violent means, but with the same corpses in the end.

    How long will this continue? The question is open, but for now we are looking at the development of events in Moldova. And we are preparing for war.

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    Post  miketheterrible 16/11/20, 06:13 am

    Good article but it assumes there is a heavy cost for Russia.

    Must like Syria, there isn't much of a cost.  As Isos actually pointed out, these soldiers, the equipment and everything else was already being paid for.  They are just actually being used now. And in this regard, they are probably not even paying for the use of property. But only paying for utilities and food, which is actually a small expense.

    If they were paying for the base, taxes and everything else, it does get expensive. As said, Russias cost for all of this is very minimal and in the end, it gets to have a rather strategic position.
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    Post  kvs 16/11/20, 06:26 am

    The resident prick NATzO poser clearly doesn't like it when his BS is outed.

    Sevastopol was not transferred to Ukraine in 1954 by Khruschev and remained part of the Russian SSR until Yeltsin just
    let Ukraine garb it in 1991 as part of its real annexation of Crimea.    The resident prick clearly does not know this fact and
    thus all of his anti-Russian drivel is as vapid as he is.

    In 1990 Crimea held a referendum on restoration of its autonomous republic status and this referendum succeeded.
    The Ukrainian SSR Rada officially recognized the results of this vote.  So if USSR leader Khruschev's transfer in 1954
    is supposed to be sacrosanct, then how is the 1990 vote not sacrosanct.   Clearly we have cherry picking of pretexts
    and rabid hypocrisy in the case of Crimea.   Calling the 2014 restoration of Crimea's proper legal status, and thus
    the legitimate vote to rejoin Russia, an annexation is boilerplate NATzO propaganda and historical revisionism to suit
    NATzO's agenda.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe 16/11/20, 06:28 am

    Backman wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    kvs wrote:Pussynian is following the same marching orders as the pro-NATzO clowns in Ukraine.   His first target was to degrade
    the Armenian military since it was a loyalist obstacle to his NATzO occupation agenda.    Unlike in Latin America, where
    the military of many countries has been thoroughly corrupted and staged/stages coups to serve Washington, in Armenia
    and in Ukraine the army was still independent of NATzO control.  

    So Pussynian and his occupational regime are directly responsible for the situation in NK.   And to the prick who posted
    that Russia pulled a gangster move, go and fly a kite you propagandist.   You never once raised any of these issues
    and went after Russia right from the start.   You are a pro-NATzO clown who poses on this board as not being one.

    From the events in Armenia it appears that the NATzO occupational regime is not going to go and will instead arrest
    all of the "coup plotters".   So Russia by no means put any control on Armenia.   It remains a Georgia style anti-Russian
    toilet.   Those 2,000 peacekeepers are there for the sake of NK.   I think this too much of a sacrifice for Russia.   It
    will have to waste resources helping people who have the usual Russia derangement syndrome and will never be
    happy by definition.   Russia should have let the Azeris finish the job and ignore this area on a permanent basis.
    That includes closing down any bases in Armenia.   Russia does not need them
    .

    Russia litterally annexed Crimea and backed people in Donbass for far less than this you trash.

    Russia negotiated for 17 years to have Ukraine it's most favored nation status holder only to have it ripped up by a US coup 2 years later.

    Ukraine had Russia's most important naval base.

    Ukraine is where standing armies historicaly stage to attack Russia.

    Ukraine is far different than Armenia.

    Absolutely not. Ukraine =\=Russia. Some of you seem not to get this. Whatever the issue was that prompted Russia to act befalls on the same standard.

    Your mental gymnastics do not change a thing.
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    Post  kvs 16/11/20, 06:30 am

    I should note that the resident anti-Russian prick is Albanian. And yes that does matter since Albanians are rabidly anti-Russian.
    Funny to see the resident Serb NATzO fanboi circle jerk with the Albanian hater.

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    Post  kvs 16/11/20, 06:34 am

    In regards to Crimea, the 1954 transfer to Ukraine by Khruschev was illegal under the USSR constitution. By contrast the 1990
    referendum was more than legal, it was morally justified. Obummer invoked a fictional referendum in Kosovo to justify its severing
    from Serbia, but real referendums in Crimea in 1990 and 2014 are somehow not a consideration.

    Get fucked you demented, bloody NATzO and NATzO lover hypocrites. You have nothing to stand on but your own fictional bile.

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    Post  kvs 16/11/20, 06:40 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Good article but it assumes there is a heavy cost for Russia.

    Must like Syria, there isn't much of a cost.  As Isos actually pointed out, these soldiers, the equipment and everything else was already being paid for.  They are just actually being used now. And in this regard, they are probably not even paying for the use of property. But only paying for utilities and food, which is actually a small expense.

    If they were paying for the base, taxes and everything else, it does get expensive.  As said, Russias cost for all of this is very minimal and in the end, it gets to have a rather strategic position.

    It is definitely any sort of major cost. But the problem is that Armenians are ingrates who love to bite the hand that feeds them just like Georgians.
    Both Georgians and Armenians showed utter contempt for Russians during the USSR period (I am from there so I would know more than any PC
    media outlet will ever "inform"). They were just like the Baltic chihuahuas and the smear that Russians are occupants reflects their true mindset.
    In the case of all of these statelets, Russia was massively subsidizing them as part of the USSR. This was the regime's way of buying them off.
    Of course, they developed an unhinged entitlement syndrome and you can see this today as they wave their fists while standing on the deck
    of a sinking ship.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe 16/11/20, 06:44 am

    kvs wrote:The resident prick NATzO poser clearly doesn't like it when his BS is outed.

    Sevastopol was not transferred to Ukraine in 1954 by Khruschev and remained part of the Russian SSR until Yeltsin just
    let Ukraine garb it in 1991 as part of its real annexation of Crimea.    The resident prick clearly does not know this fact and
    thus all of his anti-Russian drivel is as vapid as he is.

    In 1990 Crimea held a referendum on restoration of its autonomous republic status and this referendum succeeded.
    The Ukrainian SSR Rada officially recognized the results of this vote.  So if USSR leader Khruschev's transfer in 1954
    is supposed to be sacrosanct, then how is the 1990 vote not sacrosanct.   Clearly we have cherry picking of pretexts
    and rabid hypocrisy in the case of Crimea.   Calling the 2014 restoration of Crimea's proper legal status, and thus
    the legitimate vote to rejoin Russia, an annexation is boilerplate NATzO propaganda and historical revisionism to suit
    NATzO's agenda.

    Imagine being that retarded.

    Crimea voted in 1991 (AR) and 1994 (Presidential elections) to be able to declare self-rule. Back then Russia was too weak to heed the call, so they let their own people hang for some IMF cash and blow job to Clinton while also si ging the Budapest mémorandum and later the 1997 BSF settlement.

    Also same Crimea refused to mass vote and let 37% of the Ukrainian side decide independence from USSR.

    You guys imagining bullshit to create a parallel reality is not going to cut it.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe 16/11/20, 06:46 am

    kvs wrote:I should note that the resident anti-Russian prick is Albanian. And yes that does matter since Albanians are rabidly anti-Russian.
    Funny to see the resident Serb NATzO fanboi circle jerk with the Albanian hater.


    You idiots are the reason most sensible pro-Russian contributirs are gone from here. Now your accuse me of being pro-Nato. You should eat a dick.
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    Post  Vann7 16/11/20, 07:26 am

    For all the zombies in this forums ,still claiming that "Armenia "invaded azerbaijan lands"  
    here is an interesting fact.. they will have problem to explain..


    2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #2 - Page 36 8163.png

    A map showing the extent of the Armenian Empire under the Artaxiad ruler Tigranes the Great (r. c. 95 - c. 56 BCE)

    https://www.ancient.eu/img/r/p/750x750/8163.png.avif?v=1599507363


    2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #2 - Page 36 8167.gif
    The Empire of Tigranes II, or Tigranes the Great, who ruled as the king of Armenia from c. 95 to c. 56 BCE.

    https://www.ancient.eu/image/8167/empire-of-tigranes-the-great/


    So who is the invader ? and who belongs nagorno karabah?  is not azerbaijan..
    The azerbaijani name this not exist during russian empire era.. and neither earlier ever.
    so stop the bullshit and propaganda . nagorno karabah are 100% armenian lands that ended
    under the control of ottomans and persians and later russian empire/soviet union during their invasions.. azeris identity began during soviet union , the elder people in azerbaijan they never
    called themselves azerbaijanis.. that identity was created by soviet union ,to make sure iran or armenians will not reclaim it again.

    According to the russian senator which very popular ,which name can't spell ,but that is an historian , that is friendly to putin , he told that azerbaijan   is an artificially created state from iranian/persian lands after their defeat by the russian empire ,but little time later russian empire
    ends.. and the soviet union is created.. and those lands becomes later armenia the zone of christians (restored their identity) and azerbaijan the zone of majority muslim (an artificially new muslim state) from the taken iranian lands.. yet this take over was done because of iran interference/invasion of armenia and they were kicked from there and from baku area too.

    So if aliev wants to restore nagorno karabah to its original historical owners.. then he need to stop fighting armenia and recognize nagorno karabah as armenian land.. because stalin paper signature that passed those lands to azerbaijan (when was part of soviet union) are not more valid ,that the historical fact ,that those are armenian lands for more than 2,500 years of history. Armenians major problem is that all empire in the zones invaded them.. probably the nation most invaded of all times have been armenia.. but those lands are 100% native lands where armenians lived for a couple of thousands of years ,they liked the mountains ,because allowed them better protections from other empires.

    Nagorno karabah and even all those azeri lands are armenian lands.. but for practical humanitarian purposes it will not be ethical to now kick millions of azeris from azerbaijan , if anyone wanted to follow Aliev demands of history to be restored as he told.. aliev the falsificator of history ,since 2011
    have been rewriting history of azerbaijan , on media and education system to brainwash population into thinking armenians invaded them. which is totally  false..  azeris are persians ,that captured armenian native lands and later russian empire took back and after that soviets gave a new identity
    to the persian muslims living there.. notice how soviets also passed crimea to ukraine,, and  donetsk and lugansk too..  the soviet simply for political reasons split the russian empire lands ,in ethnic groups republics and transfered lands for administration to other republics without consulting with their those that live there for populism reasons.  nikita kurshev wanted to be popular with ukrainian republic and so gave crimea to them for administration and stalin did the same thing with nagorno karabah.. but those are historical armenian lands.. plain and simple.. it was the muslim the ones who stole their lands.. and soviet union the father of azerbaijan.

    The other big lie and bullshit promoted by the same zombies , is that "not even armenia recognize
    nagorno karabah" as their lands..  which is completely false. They simply are forced by putin to no provoke azerbaijan ,by declaring nagorno independence from azerbaijan.. is the same thing with taiwan ,that they for not angering china and provoking a war, don't officially declare themselves independent of china. is called lip service. to avoid war and in case of armenia ,to no go against putin . who is more interested in avoiding a war ,than in the interest of justice of armenia.
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    Post  JohninMK 16/11/20, 08:34 am

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    Russian peacekeepers - Deployed the electronic warfare system in Karabakh. The vehicles with the RB-341V "Leer-3" complex with the UAV "Orlan-10"...the Russian convoy to the deployment location.


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    Post  Hole 16/11/20, 08:41 am

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/russia-secured-the-skies-over-nagorno-karabakh/

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    Post  Pacense 16/11/20, 08:47 am

    From an Armenian point of view, it should had felt really strange that your biggest ally (even protector) was selling arms for years to your biggest enemy.

    Just saying...

    And I guess it explains a bit of Armenian resittiment towards Russia right now.

    What we should be all be asking is what will happen 5 years from now. That is the big question mark. No matter what I think life of the people who stayed in Artsakh will be harsh.
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    Post  George1 16/11/20, 08:51 am

    Vann7 wrote:For all the zombies in this forums ,still claiming that "Armenia "invaded azerbaijan lands"  
    here is an interesting fact.. they will have problem to explain..


    2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #2 - Page 36 8163.png

    A map showing the extent of the Armenian Empire under the Artaxiad ruler Tigranes the Great (r. c. 95 - c. 56 BCE)

    https://www.ancient.eu/img/r/p/750x750/8163.png.avif?v=1599507363


    2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #2 - Page 36 8167.gif
    The Empire of Tigranes II, or Tigranes the Great, who ruled as the king of Armenia from c. 95 to c. 56 BCE.

    https://www.ancient.eu/image/8167/empire-of-tigranes-the-great/


    So who is the invader ? and who belongs nagorno karabah?  is not azerbaijan..
    The azerbaijani name this not exist during russian empire era.. and neither earlier ever.
    so stop the bullshit and propaganda . nagorno karabah are 100% armenian lands that ended
    under the control of ottomans and persians and later russian empire/soviet union during their invasions.. azeris identity began during soviet union , the elder people in azerbaijan they never
    called themselves azerbaijanis.. that identity was created by soviet union ,to make sure iran or armenians will not reclaim it again.

    According to the russian senator which very popular ,which name can't spell ,but that is an historian , that is friendly to putin , he told that azerbaijan   is an artificially created state from iranian/persian lands after their defeat by the russian empire ,but little time later russian empire
    ends.. and the soviet union is created.. and those lands becomes later armenia the zone of christians (restored their identity) and azerbaijan the zone of majority muslim (an artificially new muslim state) from the taken iranian lands.. yet this take over was done because of iran interference/invasion of armenia and they were kicked from there and from baku area too.

    So if aliev wants to restore nagorno karabah to its original historical owners.. then he need to stop fighting armenia and recognize nagorno karabah as armenian land.. because stalin paper signature that passed those lands to azerbaijan (when was part of soviet union) are not more valid ,that the historical fact ,that those are armenian lands for more than 2,500 years of history. Armenians major problem is that all empire in the zones invaded them.. probably the nation most invaded of all times have been armenia.. but those lands are 100% native lands where armenians lived for a couple of thousands of years ,they liked the mountains ,because allowed them better protections from other empires.

    Nagorno karabah and even all those azeri lands are armenian lands.. but for practical humanitarian purposes it will not be ethical to now kick millions of azeris from azerbaijan , if anyone wanted to follow Aliev demands of history to be restored as he told.. aliev the falsificator of history ,since 2011
    have been rewriting history of azerbaijan , on media and education system to brainwash population into thinking armenians invaded them. which is totally  false..  azeris are persians ,that captured armenian native lands and later russian empire took back and after that soviets gave a new identity
    to the persian muslims living there.. notice how soviets also passed crimea to ukraine,, and  donetsk and lugansk too..  the soviet simply for political reasons split the russian empire lands ,in ethnic groups republics and transfered lands for administration to other republics without consulting with their those that live there for populism reasons.  nikita kurshev wanted to be popular with ukrainian republic and so gave crimea to them for administration and stalin did the same thing with nagorno karabah.. but those are historical armenian lands.. plain and simple.. it was the muslim the ones who stole their lands.. and soviet union the father of azerbaijan.

    The other big lie and bullshit promoted by the same zombies , is that "not even armenia recognize
    nagorno karabah" as their lands..  which is completely false. They simply are forced by putin to no provoke azerbaijan ,by declaring nagorno independence from azerbaijan.. is the same thing with taiwan ,that they for not angering china and provoking a war, don't officially declare themselves independent of china. is called lip service. to avoid war and in case of armenia ,to no go against putin . who is more interested in avoiding a war ,than in the interest of justice of armenia.

    and a lot of centuries before in that region the anceint kingdom of Urarty existed. BTW Urartians are considered the ancestors of armenians. So what

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    Post  lyle6 16/11/20, 09:02 am

    Pacense wrote:From an Armenian point of view, it should had felt really strange that your biggest ally (even protector) was selling arms for years to your biggest enemy.

    Just saying...

    And I guess it explains a bit of Armenian resittiment towards Russia right now.

    What we should be all be asking is what will happen 5 years from now. That is the big question mark. No matter what I think life of the people who stayed in Artsakh will be harsh.

    What good would that do? What difference would it make if your countrymen were blown up with NATO bombs instead of Russian ones?

    Exactly f*ck all. You do realize someone's still going to sell them arms even if Russia refused to sell right?

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    Post  Pacense 16/11/20, 09:26 am

    lyle6 wrote:
    Pacense wrote:From an Armenian point of view, it should had felt really strange that your biggest ally (even protector) was selling arms for years to your biggest enemy.

    Just saying...

    And I guess it explains a bit of Armenian resittiment towards Russia right now.

    What we should be all be asking is what will happen 5 years from now. That is the big question mark. No matter what I think life of the people who stayed in Artsakh will be harsh.

    What good would that do? What difference would it make if your countrymen were blown up with NATO bombs instead of Russian ones?

    Exactly f*ck all. You do realize someone's still going to sell them arms even if Russia refused to sell right?


    Yep, that is a hard truth.
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    Post  kvs 16/11/20, 09:38 am

    Pacense wrote:From an Armenian point of view, it should had felt really strange that your biggest ally (even protector) was selling arms for years to your biggest enemy.

    Just saying...

    And I guess it explains a bit of Armenian resittiment towards Russia right now.

    What we should be all be asking is what will happen 5 years from now. That is the big question mark. No matter what I think life of the people who stayed in Artsakh will be harsh.

    Don't peddle your sanctimony here. Your exact sentiments were shown in 1977 and in 1990. Russia is not your protector and you
    are not a protectorate. You are an independent country with a pro-NATzO alignment.

    Russians should rightfully resent your BS about having been "occupied" by Russia and that has nothing to do with any arms sales
    to Azerbaijan and you know it. Armenian anti-Russian sentiments go back to the USSR period at the very least.

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    Post  Pacense 16/11/20, 09:44 am

    kvs wrote:
    Pacense wrote:From an Armenian point of view, it should had felt really strange that your biggest ally (even protector) was selling arms for years to your biggest enemy.

    Just saying...

    And I guess it explains a bit of Armenian resittiment towards Russia right now.

    What we should be all be asking is what will happen 5 years from now. That is the big question mark. No matter what I think life of the people who stayed in Artsakh will be harsh.

    Don't peddle your sanctimony here.   Your exact sentiments were shown in 1977 and in 1990.   Russia is not your protector and you
    are not a protectorate.   You are an independent country with a pro-NATzO alignment.

    Russians should rightfully resent your BS about having been "occupied" by Russia and that has nothing to do with any arms sales
    to Azerbaijan and you know it.   Armenian anti-Russian sentiments go back to the USSR period at the very least.


    What you talking about? I'm Portuguese lol
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    Post  Kiko 16/11/20, 09:55 am

    In Brazil we have a tremendous amount of jokes over former colonialists the Portuguese.
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    Post  PapaDragon 16/11/20, 09:55 am

    Franco wrote:


    Now we will keep 2,000 soldiers in Karabakh to protect people there who, in large part, hate us, we have already lost two people killed there and a helicopter. And the United States, Soros and the West as a whole simply threw Pashinyan when he did what was required of him. And they didn’t fit in for Armenia, against which the Azeri risk had “shot”.
    ............
    Russia, unfortunately, missed the opportunity to solve the problem "inexpensively". Now we will get stuck there, and the Turkish influence will only increase. Nothing can be done now: we missed this blow. Will we miss the next one?...
    ...


    What exactly did Russia miss?

    In what way could they have solved the problem "inexpensively"? Dump money in Armenia? Drone Pashinian? What?

    And how is 2000 troops suddenly a drain on Russia?

    This guy simply ignores reality that some events will simply occur whether you like it or not. Armenians will behave like morons, Azeris will try to tear Armenians a new one, there's nothing you can do about it.

    Russia did solve this problem inexpensively. If the idea was to "extend" Russia it failed because plan depended on Russia getting involved in war against Turkey which would have put some strain on Russia (and Russia was prepared for this despite what author thinks) and would have legitimized NATO, have rallying effect on EU and whitewashed Turkey's image in Europe. None of this happened.

    Russia never spent more than some gasoline money and they just dumped cold water on this whole trash fire on the cheap.

    Turkey will not be relocated from the region, the are simply there and nothing will make Azerbaijan not like Turkey. But now Azerbaijan no longer has motivation to keep following Turkey on all topics because unlike before they now have something to lose.

    All things considered this was handled nicely and efficiently.

    And if Turks were unimpressed with Kavkaz 2020 then why did they drop the whole the moment Russia started looking like not will start making things go boom?

    That entire article looks like another case of fetishising some mythical Turkish "power"

    Pathetic habbit among some Russian losers, author is most likely another commie pussy



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