Russophobia, Common Lies-Nonsense on Russia

sepheronx wrote:

max steel wrote:http://www.themoscowtimes.com/mobile/news/article/spy-satellites-spotted-disguised-as-space-junk/518954.html

spy satellites disguised as space junk spotted spying russian communocations . US rulz lol .

Quoting the moscow times is usually junk.  But if the Russians were able to spot those satellites easily, then really not much for recon sats hiding.  Just means now they can track it.  lol USA suckz!1!

sepheronx wrote:Gotta love the fact that if so called brain drain was happening, that Russia manages to still design CPU's (which EU does not), work with GaN modules, creating electronics through using Photons, first to build a fast breeding reactor, research and develop vaccines for Ebola and HIV while most others are still trying to design one, Building Quantum Processor, developing new microscopes that are even exported to west, and advanced telescopes that are even exported too.

Guess all those fleeing scientists really are not important.  But then again, they gained quite a few people in their country (so more new "educated" people entered the country) and well, helps when your nation is far more literate and educated than Americans.

But then again, US and EU did openly say they will fund media organizations to "combat Russias propaganda".  I guess, that just means by adding their own propaganda and agenda.  Apparently Poland, according to EU, produces more scientific papers than Russia.  Yet, we don't see any technology breakthrough coming from Poland as they are still primarily agricltural.  I wonder how many of these "scientific" papers are nothing but garbage being thrown around to make it look like they are producing something?  Because, I fail to see what is being developed as "new" from EU.  So far, nothing. Nothing that is used day to day or even in production.

kvs wrote: Russia has real R&D with real benefits for society and with real results to show for it.   The stupid linked graphic was throwing ever
waste of paper it could find to "prove" that NATO's dick is bigger than Russia's.   It really is at the level of school yard trash talk.

AirCargo wrote:
Russia's Smartest People Are Leaving In Droves

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-disenchanted-with-putin-some-russians-vote-with-their-feet-2014-24

kvs wrote: I guess, that just means by adding their own propaganda and agenda.  Apparently Poland, according to EU, produces more scientific papers than Russia.  Yet, we don't see any technology breakthrough coming from Poland as they are still primarily agricltural.

sepheronx wrote:None of that is new either. They were building particle accelerators even during soviet times. Lets face it, I can probably name more scientific production coming out of Russia than what comes out of Poland. Because if it wasnt the case, why isnt Poland a large industrial base country? Lack of aerospace, energy tech, semiconductor tech, etc.

sepheronx wrote: It isnt that Poland lacks educated people. It lacks market drive and are simply pushing similar western ideology of: more papers authorized. But how many of those end up being a thing? If it was the other case, Poland would have easily outdone Russia in tech progress and would be up there in terms of Germany. But it isnt. EU still sees Polish as backwards.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

kvs wrote: I guess, that just means by adding their own propaganda and agenda.  Apparently Poland, according to EU, produces more scientific papers than Russia.  Yet, we don't see any technology breakthrough coming from Poland as they are still primarily agricltural.

Polish agricultural science in couple of examples,  

ITER fusion reactor> signal and image processing
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?reload=true&arnumber=7110630&sortType%3Dasc_p_Sequence%26filter%3DAND%28p_Publication_Number%3A23%29%26pageNumber%3D21


or Particle accelerator  DESY (Germany)
http://www.desy.de/news/@@news-view?id=1442&lang=eng
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/224577969_Prototype_Control_System_for_Compensation_of_Superconducting_Cavities_Detuning_Using_Piezoelectric_Actuators


also made by Polish farmers,

http://www.europlanet-eu.org/outreach/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=339&Itemid=
EU Mars rover competition won by Polish engineers


http://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/materials/the-worlds-best-gallium-nitride/
A little Polish company you've never heard of is beating the tech titans in a key technology of the 21st century


and here right after pigs are fed
Stereoscopic TV, one of intl. test sequences si from Polish University, guess why
http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Philippe_Hanhart2/publication/266080547_EyeC3D_3D_video_eye_tracking_dataset/links/5424b4510cf26120b7ac42e5.pdf


and all this done by farmer Juzwa and family after harvests:


and him as coauthor
http://www.nto.pl/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=NO&Date=20130117&Category=REGION&ArtNo=130119598&Ref=AR&border=0&MaxW=580

   

kvs wrote: I never dissed Poland because of its science.   But I have dissed Poland because of its attitude to Russia and the fact that they
are practically kissing Stepan Bandera in the mouth right now their rabid support for the regime in Kiev.

kvs wrote:That publications graph is a joke.  I bet they don't count publications in Russian scientific journals.  

The number of publications increases every year in western journals but the quality goes down.   Funding
agencies typically look a the number of papers a researcher produces and not their quality (they don't
have the resources to evaluate quality).   It's publish or perish entropy.   Russia is backward in this regard.
Russian scientists don't crank out incremental meat meat grinder pap and usually take their time
producing publications.

Then there is the variety of various "scientific" fields.   Such as social science and economics.   I bet this
paper count generously samples from under every academic rock.   I would automatically discount these
papers as low value fluff.  

And the cherry on top are biomedical science papers.   Check this link (it's not all science papers but medical ones):

http://www.jove.com/blog/2012/05/03/studies-show-only-10-of-published-science-articles-are-reproducible-what-is-happening

So the junk level of these papers is 70% to 90%.  

However, science has suffered greatly after 1991 (and even before) in Russia.  The red curve in the graph is obviously
a fraud since there was a clear collapse in paper output during the 1990s and it did not stop by 1996.   The negative
impact on paper count was making itself felt even during the 2000s.   I would say that only in the last 5 years or so that
there is more funding and hence more paper output in Russia.    I am counting real papers and not the fluff this politically
motivated graph is using to "prove" its case.