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I haven't heard of any trend in Russian school closures. In Japan they are closing schools. But of course it is Russia
that is facing demographic oblivion. Yet another retarded trope infesting the western mind.
that is facing demographic oblivion. Yet another retarded trope infesting the western mind.
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Ukraine Rushes to 'Ban Communism' in Time for Anniv. of Victory Over Nazism
Ukrainian government officials have vowed to pass a bill banning communist ideology, symbols, and propaganda, and equating the ideology with Nazism.
Ukraine's President Petr Poroshenko gestures while speaking to Igor Kolomoysky, governor of Dnepropetrovsk, in Kiev, Ukraine, Wednesday, March 25, 2015
© AP Photo/ Mikhail Palinchak
First Session of Ukraine’s Constitutional Commission to Take Place Monday
Speaking on Ukrainian television on Saturday, Justice Minister Pavel Petrenko promised that "before May 9th, parliament will pass a decommunization package." The minister noted that the initiative "is something we should have done 20 years ago," adding the he was "convinced that the present parliament has the sufficient political will and the votes" to finally remove all traces of communist influence in the country.
Earlier this week, Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk appealed to the Ukrainian parliament to "adopt these laws, and to finally ban communist and Nazi ideologies as twin brothers opposed to humanity."
The measures referenced by Petrenko were proposed to Ukraine's parliament by the country's Cabinet of Ministers, and developed by the Institute for National Remembrance. The institute's proposals include equating communism to Nazism and the banning of the symbols of each, along with the granting of official recognition to the country's 20th century independence fighters, including members of Second World War-era nationalist armed formations accused of collaborating with Nazi occupation forces. The proposals also recommend celebrating Victory Day on May 8th, and calling the new holiday the Day of Remembrance and Reconciliation, preserving the May 9th holiday out of respect for surviving veterans of the Second World War.
Recent polling has found that a majority of Russians now have a poor opinion of Ukraine, while an overwhelming majority continue to have a positive view of Belarus. Given the two countries' historical and cultural closeness to Russia, Sputnik attempts to answer why attitudes toward the two countries differ so much.
On Sunday, Russian Foreign Ministry Special Representative for Human Rights Konstantin Dolgov responded to the parliamentary initiative, stating that the attempt to equate communism with Nazism "is a highly cynical position" which "contradicts international law, including the results of Nuremberg." Dolgov added that Kiev's "politicized antics surrounding May 9th" are highly inappropriate, given the holiday's sacred status for millions of Ukrainians.
Ukrainian social media commentators weighing in on the proposed bill have raised questions about the many possible ambiguous situations the law will create. OdessaTalk commentator Nikolai Holmov, first clarifying that he was not a supporter of communist ideology, asked what would happen to the Second World War veterans decorated with Soviet medals marching under Soviet army flags, or the more recent veterans of the Afghan war, decorated with similar medals and symbols. The blogger pondered about the future of the country's war memorials, its remaining Lenin statues, and the tens of thousands of Soviet stars and hammer and sickle symbols covering public buildings across the country. If they are to be removed, who is to pay for them? Holmov asked about just how far the bill aims to go, wondering whether communist memorabilia, philosophical works, or the Communist Party itself would also be subject to the ban. Finally, the blogger asked about the unintended consequences to result in the event that the bill is poorly crafted and badly written, which he believes is highly likely.
Communist Witch Hunt
For post-Maidan Kiev, the initiative to ban communist ideology and its symbols is just the next logical step in its bitter and oddly fanatical struggle against the country's communists. Earlier this week, the Ukrainian Security Service summoned Communist Party leader Pyotr Symonenko for questioning over the politician's recent visit to Russia. Authorities noted that they were considering launching a criminal case against him over his comments on Russian television which they say may have amounted to crimes "against the foundations of Ukraine's national security."
Moreover, earlier this year, the Ministry of Justice unsuccessfully appealed to the Kiev District Administrative Court to ban the activities of the Communist Party. Stating that Kiev judges' unanimous refusal to try the Justice Ministry's Case amounted to "connivance to communists' procedural terrorism," Justice Minister Petrenko vowed to "see this trial through to the end."
Members of Ukraine's Communist Party, speaking out against the post-coup government since its toppling of the Yanukovych government in February 2014, have been subject to official and unofficial persecution in the country ever since. Kiev has accused the party of supporting and financing the country's "separatist terrorists" in Donbass, with authorities launching hundreds of civil and criminal cases against the party and its members, while the party's faction in parliament faced dissolution by presidential decree months ahead of October's elections. Communists working in the civil and state services sectors have been subjected to Kiev's lustration campaign, while ordinary party members and party offices have faced regular attacks by gangs of radical nationalists.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150405/1020511392.html#ixzz3WTcs5mYd
Ukrainian government officials have vowed to pass a bill banning communist ideology, symbols, and propaganda, and equating the ideology with Nazism.
Ukraine's President Petr Poroshenko gestures while speaking to Igor Kolomoysky, governor of Dnepropetrovsk, in Kiev, Ukraine, Wednesday, March 25, 2015
© AP Photo/ Mikhail Palinchak
First Session of Ukraine’s Constitutional Commission to Take Place Monday
Speaking on Ukrainian television on Saturday, Justice Minister Pavel Petrenko promised that "before May 9th, parliament will pass a decommunization package." The minister noted that the initiative "is something we should have done 20 years ago," adding the he was "convinced that the present parliament has the sufficient political will and the votes" to finally remove all traces of communist influence in the country.
Earlier this week, Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk appealed to the Ukrainian parliament to "adopt these laws, and to finally ban communist and Nazi ideologies as twin brothers opposed to humanity."
The measures referenced by Petrenko were proposed to Ukraine's parliament by the country's Cabinet of Ministers, and developed by the Institute for National Remembrance. The institute's proposals include equating communism to Nazism and the banning of the symbols of each, along with the granting of official recognition to the country's 20th century independence fighters, including members of Second World War-era nationalist armed formations accused of collaborating with Nazi occupation forces. The proposals also recommend celebrating Victory Day on May 8th, and calling the new holiday the Day of Remembrance and Reconciliation, preserving the May 9th holiday out of respect for surviving veterans of the Second World War.
Recent polling has found that a majority of Russians now have a poor opinion of Ukraine, while an overwhelming majority continue to have a positive view of Belarus. Given the two countries' historical and cultural closeness to Russia, Sputnik attempts to answer why attitudes toward the two countries differ so much.
On Sunday, Russian Foreign Ministry Special Representative for Human Rights Konstantin Dolgov responded to the parliamentary initiative, stating that the attempt to equate communism with Nazism "is a highly cynical position" which "contradicts international law, including the results of Nuremberg." Dolgov added that Kiev's "politicized antics surrounding May 9th" are highly inappropriate, given the holiday's sacred status for millions of Ukrainians.
Ukrainian social media commentators weighing in on the proposed bill have raised questions about the many possible ambiguous situations the law will create. OdessaTalk commentator Nikolai Holmov, first clarifying that he was not a supporter of communist ideology, asked what would happen to the Second World War veterans decorated with Soviet medals marching under Soviet army flags, or the more recent veterans of the Afghan war, decorated with similar medals and symbols. The blogger pondered about the future of the country's war memorials, its remaining Lenin statues, and the tens of thousands of Soviet stars and hammer and sickle symbols covering public buildings across the country. If they are to be removed, who is to pay for them? Holmov asked about just how far the bill aims to go, wondering whether communist memorabilia, philosophical works, or the Communist Party itself would also be subject to the ban. Finally, the blogger asked about the unintended consequences to result in the event that the bill is poorly crafted and badly written, which he believes is highly likely.
Communist Witch Hunt
For post-Maidan Kiev, the initiative to ban communist ideology and its symbols is just the next logical step in its bitter and oddly fanatical struggle against the country's communists. Earlier this week, the Ukrainian Security Service summoned Communist Party leader Pyotr Symonenko for questioning over the politician's recent visit to Russia. Authorities noted that they were considering launching a criminal case against him over his comments on Russian television which they say may have amounted to crimes "against the foundations of Ukraine's national security."
Moreover, earlier this year, the Ministry of Justice unsuccessfully appealed to the Kiev District Administrative Court to ban the activities of the Communist Party. Stating that Kiev judges' unanimous refusal to try the Justice Ministry's Case amounted to "connivance to communists' procedural terrorism," Justice Minister Petrenko vowed to "see this trial through to the end."
Members of Ukraine's Communist Party, speaking out against the post-coup government since its toppling of the Yanukovych government in February 2014, have been subject to official and unofficial persecution in the country ever since. Kiev has accused the party of supporting and financing the country's "separatist terrorists" in Donbass, with authorities launching hundreds of civil and criminal cases against the party and its members, while the party's faction in parliament faced dissolution by presidential decree months ahead of October's elections. Communists working in the civil and state services sectors have been subjected to Kiev's lustration campaign, while ordinary party members and party offices have faced regular attacks by gangs of radical nationalists.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150405/1020511392.html#ixzz3WTcs5mYd
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http://www.themoscowtimes.com/mobile/news/article/spy-satellites-spotted-disguised-as-space-junk/518954.html
spy satellites disguised as space junk spotted spying russian communocations . US rulz lol .
spy satellites disguised as space junk spotted spying russian communocations . US rulz lol .
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max steel wrote:http://www.themoscowtimes.com/mobile/news/article/spy-satellites-spotted-disguised-as-space-junk/518954.html
spy satellites disguised as space junk spotted spying russian communocations . US rulz lol .
Quoting the moscow times is usually junk. But if the Russians were able to spot those satellites easily, then really not much for recon sats hiding. Just means now they can track it. lol USA suckz!1!
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sepheronx wrote:max steel wrote:http://www.themoscowtimes.com/mobile/news/article/spy-satellites-spotted-disguised-as-space-junk/518954.html
spy satellites disguised as space junk spotted spying russian communocations . US rulz lol .
Quoting the moscow times is usually junk. But if the Russians were able to spot those satellites easily, then really not much for recon sats hiding. Just means now they can track it. lol USA suckz!1!
Uncle Sam was banking on Russian capabilities to be permanently degraded after the 1990s collapse. This is why they helped instigate
it in the first place. But Russia has recovered and even developed new technology. It can visually identify any orbited device.
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sepheronx wrote:max steel wrote:http://www.themoscowtimes.com/mobile/news/article/spy-satellites-spotted-disguised-as-space-junk/518954.html
spy satellites disguised as space junk spotted spying russian communocations . US rulz lol .
Quoting the moscow times is usually junk. But if the Russians were able to spot those satellites easily, then really not much for recon sats hiding. Just means now they can track it. lol USA suckz!1!
It puzzles me who the intended target readership is for a foreign (non-Russian owned) English-language website that portrays itself as a "Russian" site. I suspect its purpose is to influence perceptions among Western readers and English-speaking pro-US/EU Russians of the Yabloko persuasion.
Either way, its crap and not worth the drain on ones monthly bandwidth allowance.
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spy satellites disguised as space junk spotted spying russian communocations . US rulz lol .
kvs wrote:sepheronx wrote:max steel wrote:http://www.themoscowtimes.com/mobile/news/article/spy-satellites-spotted-disguised-as-space-junk/518954.html
spy satellites disguised as space junk spotted spying russian communocations . US rulz lol .
Quoting the moscow times is usually junk. But if the Russians were able to spot those satellites easily, then really not much for recon sats hiding. Just means now they can track it. lol USA suckz!1!
Uncle Sam was banking on Russian capabilities to be permanently degraded after the 1990s collapse. This is why they helped instigate
it in the first place. But Russia has recovered and even developed new technology. It can visually identify any orbited device.
"Uncle S(h)am was banking on Russian capabilities to be permanently degraded after the 1990s collapse."
Yep, and that's one of the many reasons why the US establishment HATES Putin with such a passion. Contrary to their fevered wet-dream fantasies, Russia has not collapsed into a fragmented, dying and decrepit sh!thole whose wealth, energy and resources are controlled by Western big-capital and whose capacity for self-defense is near zero (though that is likely the fate of Ukraine under its current Ukrop regime).
Behind closed doors where public appearances are no longer relevant, Washington is enraged that Moscow can still defend itself and its people, and that her capacity for self-defence is such that she will exact an unacceptably high price on HATO should hostilities break-out.
My view? That's simply tough sh!t HATO... The word is changing, the center of power is shifting Eastwards, and there is zip that you sociopathic greedy ba$tards can do about it.
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Russia's Brain Drain: Why Economists Are Leaving
http://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesinternational/2015/05/26/russias-brain-drain-why-economists-are-leaving/
Russia's Smartest People Are Leaving In Droves
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-disenchanted-with-putin-some-russians-vote-with-their-feet-2014-24
Russian science outcry as Kremlin targets major funder
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/05/russia-science-in-disarray-as-kremlin-targets-major-funder
http://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesinternational/2015/05/26/russias-brain-drain-why-economists-are-leaving/
Russia's Smartest People Are Leaving In Droves
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-disenchanted-with-putin-some-russians-vote-with-their-feet-2014-24
Russian science outcry as Kremlin targets major funder
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/05/russia-science-in-disarray-as-kremlin-targets-major-funder
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Putin’s Russia divides and enrages scientists
http://www.nature.com/news/putin-s-russia-divides-and-enrages-scientists-1.16571
Fifth of Russian organizations lose access to Springer database
http://rbth.com/news/2015/05/12/fifth_of_russian_organizations_lose_access_to_springer_database_45929.html
![Russophobia, Common Lies-Nonsense on Russia - Page 5 Russia](http://www.nature.com/polopoly_fs/7.22550.1418738141!/image/Russia.jpg_gen/derivatives/fullsize/Russia.jpg)
http://www.nature.com/news/putin-s-russia-divides-and-enrages-scientists-1.16571
Fifth of Russian organizations lose access to Springer database
http://rbth.com/news/2015/05/12/fifth_of_russian_organizations_lose_access_to_springer_database_45929.html
![Russophobia, Common Lies-Nonsense on Russia - Page 5 Russia](http://www.nature.com/polopoly_fs/7.22550.1418738141!/image/Russia.jpg_gen/derivatives/fullsize/Russia.jpg)
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AirCargo wrote:Russia's Brain Drain: Why Economists Are Leaving
http://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesinternational/2015/05/26/russias-brain-drain-why-economists-are-leaving/
Russia's Smartest People Are Leaving In Droves
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-disenchanted-with-putin-some-russians-vote-with-their-feet-2014-24
Russian science outcry as Kremlin targets major funder
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/05/russia-science-in-disarray-as-kremlin-targets-major-funder
Go away troll.
Those very articles are quoting people like Navalny and Kasparov. You and these articles are a fucking joke. You are simply trying to create an issue and GarryB should be aware of this.
Let me put it to you so you can understand it for a simple american mind: These people are already considered traitors. Even your articles, if you even read them, state how only 17% people want to "leave" the country that are "polled" and lot less than it was before. Add to that, adding in names of people whom work for 5th coloumnists isn't evidence.
Did you know that in this year alone, over 200,000 people migrated to Russia?
http://tass.ru/en/russia/770826
270,000 foreigners entered Russia in January alone.
That far outpaces the number of so called "specialists" from Russia. By the way, all those so called specialists that your backwards ass links provide are: A Geneologist, and economists, whom even mentioned "Liberal" economists.
That should tell you a lot.
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AirCargo wrote:Putin’s Russia divides and enrages scientists
http://www.nature.com/news/putin-s-russia-divides-and-enrages-scientists-1.16571
Fifth of Russian organizations lose access to Springer database
http://rbth.com/news/2015/05/12/fifth_of_russian_organizations_lose_access_to_springer_database_45929.html
Your last graph is a complete joke. Love it. Simply put, it stayed "Stagnant" according to your graph, even though Russia is outpacing majority of the EU in technological advancement already.
Keep up the trolling man, hope you get yourself banned.
Love the fact that with all these "advancements" in tech papers, Russia is still the first with a fast breeding reactor (and fact EU is using Russian nuclear reactors), Russian education has already outpaced US in terms of IBM's competition (guess you americans are too stupid and even rely on immigrants to compete on behalf of you guys) and has already been testing Ebola vaccines while the rest of the world has been crying about it. Add to that, one can simply look at what Tomsk publishes and this alone will tell that graph is full of shit.
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Gotta love the fact that if so called brain drain was happening, that Russia manages to still design CPU's (which EU does not), work with GaN modules, creating electronics through using Photons, first to build a fast breeding reactor, research and develop vaccines for Ebola and HIV while most others are still trying to design one, Building Quantum Processor, developing new microscopes that are even exported to west, and advanced telescopes that are even exported too.
Guess all those fleeing scientists really are not important. But then again, they gained quite a few people in their country (so more new "educated" people entered the country) and well, helps when your nation is far more literate and educated than Americans.
But then again, US and EU did openly say they will fund media organizations to "combat Russias propaganda". I guess, that just means by adding their own propaganda and agenda. Apparently Poland, according to EU, produces more scientific papers than Russia. Yet, we don't see any technology breakthrough coming from Poland as they are still primarily agricltural. I wonder how many of these "scientific" papers are nothing but garbage being thrown around to make it look like they are producing something? Because, I fail to see what is being developed as "new" from EU. So far, nothing. Nothing that is used day to day or even in production.
Guess all those fleeing scientists really are not important. But then again, they gained quite a few people in their country (so more new "educated" people entered the country) and well, helps when your nation is far more literate and educated than Americans.
But then again, US and EU did openly say they will fund media organizations to "combat Russias propaganda". I guess, that just means by adding their own propaganda and agenda. Apparently Poland, according to EU, produces more scientific papers than Russia. Yet, we don't see any technology breakthrough coming from Poland as they are still primarily agricltural. I wonder how many of these "scientific" papers are nothing but garbage being thrown around to make it look like they are producing something? Because, I fail to see what is being developed as "new" from EU. So far, nothing. Nothing that is used day to day or even in production.
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That publications graph is a joke. I bet they don't count publications in Russian scientific journals.
The number of publications increases every year in western journals but the quality goes down. Funding
agencies typically look a the number of papers a researcher produces and not their quality (they don't
have the resources to evaluate quality). It's publish or perish entropy. Russia is backward in this regard.
Russian scientists don't crank out incremental meat meat grinder pap and usually take their time
producing publications.
Then there is the variety of various "scientific" fields. Such as social science and economics. I bet this
paper count generously samples from under every academic rock. I would automatically discount these
papers as low value fluff.
And the cherry on top are biomedical science papers. Check this link (it's not all science papers but medical ones):
http://www.jove.com/blog/2012/05/03/studies-show-only-10-of-published-science-articles-are-reproducible-what-is-happening
So the junk level of these papers is 70% to 90%.
However, science has suffered greatly after 1991 (and even before) in Russia. The red curve in the graph is obviously
a fraud since there was a clear collapse in paper output during the 1990s and it did not stop by 1996. The negative
impact on paper count was making itself felt even during the 2000s. I would say that only in the last 5 years or so that
there is more funding and hence more paper output in Russia. I am counting real papers and not the fluff this politically
motivated graph is using to "prove" its case.
The number of publications increases every year in western journals but the quality goes down. Funding
agencies typically look a the number of papers a researcher produces and not their quality (they don't
have the resources to evaluate quality). It's publish or perish entropy. Russia is backward in this regard.
Russian scientists don't crank out incremental meat meat grinder pap and usually take their time
producing publications.
Then there is the variety of various "scientific" fields. Such as social science and economics. I bet this
paper count generously samples from under every academic rock. I would automatically discount these
papers as low value fluff.
And the cherry on top are biomedical science papers. Check this link (it's not all science papers but medical ones):
http://www.jove.com/blog/2012/05/03/studies-show-only-10-of-published-science-articles-are-reproducible-what-is-happening
So the junk level of these papers is 70% to 90%.
However, science has suffered greatly after 1991 (and even before) in Russia. The red curve in the graph is obviously
a fraud since there was a clear collapse in paper output during the 1990s and it did not stop by 1996. The negative
impact on paper count was making itself felt even during the 2000s. I would say that only in the last 5 years or so that
there is more funding and hence more paper output in Russia. I am counting real papers and not the fluff this politically
motivated graph is using to "prove" its case.
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sepheronx wrote:Gotta love the fact that if so called brain drain was happening, that Russia manages to still design CPU's (which EU does not), work with GaN modules, creating electronics through using Photons, first to build a fast breeding reactor, research and develop vaccines for Ebola and HIV while most others are still trying to design one, Building Quantum Processor, developing new microscopes that are even exported to west, and advanced telescopes that are even exported too.
Guess all those fleeing scientists really are not important. But then again, they gained quite a few people in their country (so more new "educated" people entered the country) and well, helps when your nation is far more literate and educated than Americans.
But then again, US and EU did openly say they will fund media organizations to "combat Russias propaganda". I guess, that just means by adding their own propaganda and agenda. Apparently Poland, according to EU, produces more scientific papers than Russia. Yet, we don't see any technology breakthrough coming from Poland as they are still primarily agricltural. I wonder how many of these "scientific" papers are nothing but garbage being thrown around to make it look like they are producing something? Because, I fail to see what is being developed as "new" from EU. So far, nothing. Nothing that is used day to day or even in production.
Russia has real R&D with real benefits for society and with real results to show for it. The stupid linked graphic was throwing ever
waste of paper it could find to "prove" that NATO's dick is bigger than Russia's. It really is at the level of school yard trash talk.
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EDIT: brainfart didnt read the scientific bit.
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Rbrth, nature.com asnd other cr@p news - those who claimed that Russia's population in 2020 will have at most 138mln people? then that Euro in 2015 will be over 100 rubles? all data is from independent NGO or CIA booklet or just Hollywood.
I saw Indiana Jones and know exactly how primitive Russians are. BTW and in 90 sciene was blooming and nobody emigrated right ? Just add then 60 Russian brigades is fighting in Donbass and I am cool its all nothing true
![lol!](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/lol.gif)
And long as i see such cr@p in US publications I am confident Putin is going the right way
BTW how you explain all new processors ,stealth planes rockets or T-14 if there is no science? Why China cannot still even correctly copy old soviet engines?
Just rhetoric question L;)
I saw Indiana Jones and know exactly how primitive Russians are. BTW and in 90 sciene was blooming and nobody emigrated right ? Just add then 60 Russian brigades is fighting in Donbass and I am cool its all nothing true
![lol!](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/lol.gif)
![lol!](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/lol.gif)
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And long as i see such cr@p in US publications I am confident Putin is going the right way
![russia](/users/4211/56/72/02/smiles/94819.gif)
BTW how you explain all new processors ,stealth planes rockets or T-14 if there is no science? Why China cannot still even correctly copy old soviet engines?
Just rhetoric question L;)
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kvs wrote: Russia has real R&D with real benefits for society and with real results to show for it. The stupid linked graphic was throwing ever
waste of paper it could find to "prove" that NATO's dick is bigger than Russia's. It really is at the level of school yard trash talk.
c´mon itsa just a big banana in pants to prove this fact
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AirCargo wrote:
Russia's Smartest People Are Leaving In Droves
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-disenchanted-with-putin-some-russians-vote-with-their-feet-2014-24
I appreciate diversity of news, but how about discussing the news that you post?
That article shows a picture from the Ukrainian-Russian border, portraying it as leaving Russians.
This level of BS casts doubts on the whole article, which is dubious in of itself - a whole amount of sensationalism and very few actual statistics.
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kvs wrote: I guess, that just means by adding their own propaganda and agenda. Apparently Poland, according to EU, produces more scientific papers than Russia. Yet, we don't see any technology breakthrough coming from Poland as they are still primarily agricltural.
Polish agricultural science in couple of examples,
![Razz](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_razz.gif)
ITER fusion reactor> signal and image processing
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?reload=true&arnumber=7110630&sortType%3Dasc_p_Sequence%26filter%3DAND%28p_Publication_Number%3A23%29%26pageNumber%3D21
or Particle accelerator DESY (Germany)
http://www.desy.de/news/@@news-view?id=1442&lang=eng
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/224577969_Prototype_Control_System_for_Compensation_of_Superconducting_Cavities_Detuning_Using_Piezoelectric_Actuators
also made by Polish farmers,
http://www.europlanet-eu.org/outreach/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=339&Itemid=
EU Mars rover competition won by Polish engineers
http://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/materials/the-worlds-best-gallium-nitride/
A little Polish company you've never heard of is beating the tech titans in a key technology of the 21st century
and here right after pigs are fed
Stereoscopic TV, one of intl. test sequences si from Polish University, guess why
http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Philippe_Hanhart2/publication/266080547_EyeC3D_3D_video_eye_tracking_dataset/links/5424b4510cf26120b7ac42e5.pdf
and all this done by farmer Juzwa and family after harvests:
![Russophobia, Common Lies-Nonsense on Russia - Page 5 Encarta_0](https://2img.net/h/www.wiatrak.nl/sites/default/files/pictures/encarta_0.jpg)
and him as coauthor
http://www.nto.pl/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=NO&Date=20130117&Category=REGION&ArtNo=130119598&Ref=AR&border=0&MaxW=580
![lol!](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/lol.gif)
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None of that is new either. They were building particle accelerators even during soviet times. Lets face it, I can probably name more scientific production coming out of Russia than what comes out of Poland. Because if it wasnt the case, why isnt Poland a large industrial base country? Lack of aerospace, energy tech, semiconductor tech, etc.
It isnt that Poland lacks educated people. It lacks market drive and are simply pushing similar western ideology of: more papers authorized. But how many of those end up being a thing? If it was the other case, Poland would have easily outdone Russia in tech progress and would be up there in terms of Germany. But it isnt. EU still sees Polish as backwards.
It isnt that Poland lacks educated people. It lacks market drive and are simply pushing similar western ideology of: more papers authorized. But how many of those end up being a thing? If it was the other case, Poland would have easily outdone Russia in tech progress and would be up there in terms of Germany. But it isnt. EU still sees Polish as backwards.
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sepheronx wrote:None of that is new either. They were building particle accelerators even during soviet times. Lets face it, I can probably name more scientific production coming out of Russia than what comes out of Poland. Because if it wasnt the case, why isnt Poland a large industrial base country? Lack of aerospace, energy tech, semiconductor tech, etc.
Because after coup in 89 there is not Polish industry anymore. Call is hostile takeover by West.´They do not need competiors they need human resources base and colony.
Small SW or hi tech of course exist but they cannot invest billions in new tech.
sepheronx wrote: It isnt that Poland lacks educated people. It lacks market drive and are simply pushing similar western ideology of: more papers authorized. But how many of those end up being a thing? If it was the other case, Poland would have easily outdone Russia in tech progress and would be up there in terms of Germany. But it isnt. EU still sees Polish as backwards.
Because Poland is backward in terms of own industry. You know in Poland there are lotsa new automated factories. Cars, engines, parts for electronic or aerospace industries. Nokia Networks, Samsung or L&G R&Ds depts as well. The fun is none of them belong to Polish capital like 90% of banks or media. This is called brain drain isnt it?
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GunshipDemocracy wrote:kvs wrote: I guess, that just means by adding their own propaganda and agenda. Apparently Poland, according to EU, produces more scientific papers than Russia. Yet, we don't see any technology breakthrough coming from Poland as they are still primarily agricltural.
That was not in any of my replies. Please make the proper attribution.
Polish agricultural science in couple of examples,![]()
ITER fusion reactor> signal and image processing
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?reload=true&arnumber=7110630&sortType%3Dasc_p_Sequence%26filter%3DAND%28p_Publication_Number%3A23%29%26pageNumber%3D21
or Particle accelerator DESY (Germany)
http://www.desy.de/news/@@news-view?id=1442&lang=eng
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/224577969_Prototype_Control_System_for_Compensation_of_Superconducting_Cavities_Detuning_Using_Piezoelectric_Actuators
also made by Polish farmers,
http://www.europlanet-eu.org/outreach/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=339&Itemid=
EU Mars rover competition won by Polish engineers
http://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/materials/the-worlds-best-gallium-nitride/
A little Polish company you've never heard of is beating the tech titans in a key technology of the 21st century
and here right after pigs are fed
Stereoscopic TV, one of intl. test sequences si from Polish University, guess why
http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Philippe_Hanhart2/publication/266080547_EyeC3D_3D_video_eye_tracking_dataset/links/5424b4510cf26120b7ac42e5.pdf
and all this done by farmer Juzwa and family after harvests:
and him as coauthor
http://www.nto.pl/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=NO&Date=20130117&Category=REGION&ArtNo=130119598&Ref=AR&border=0&MaxW=580
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I never dissed Poland because of its science. But I have dissed Poland because of its attitude to Russia and the fact that they
are practically kissing Stepan Bandera in the mouth right now their rabid support for the regime in Kiev.
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kvs wrote: I never dissed Poland because of its science. But I have dissed Poland because of its attitude to Russia and the fact that they
are practically kissing Stepan Bandera in the mouth right now their rabid support for the regime in Kiev.
Poland or Polish folks are not the same as compradores since 89. I have met 1 only 1 Pole who tried to justify sudden love to UPA nazi scum. But do you expect that in ¨free media¨they show this?
and I have also personal reasons to hate nazi scumbags form OUN.
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The US still leads the research in many fields - medical research is absolutely dominated by the US together with space industry while EU leads in physicskvs wrote:That publications graph is a joke. I bet they don't count publications in Russian scientific journals.
The number of publications increases every year in western journals but the quality goes down. Funding
agencies typically look a the number of papers a researcher produces and not their quality (they don't
have the resources to evaluate quality). It's publish or perish entropy. Russia is backward in this regard.
Russian scientists don't crank out incremental meat meat grinder pap and usually take their time
producing publications.
Then there is the variety of various "scientific" fields. Such as social science and economics. I bet this
paper count generously samples from under every academic rock. I would automatically discount these
papers as low value fluff.
And the cherry on top are biomedical science papers. Check this link (it's not all science papers but medical ones):
http://www.jove.com/blog/2012/05/03/studies-show-only-10-of-published-science-articles-are-reproducible-what-is-happening
So the junk level of these papers is 70% to 90%.
However, science has suffered greatly after 1991 (and even before) in Russia. The red curve in the graph is obviously
a fraud since there was a clear collapse in paper output during the 1990s and it did not stop by 1996. The negative
impact on paper count was making itself felt even during the 2000s. I would say that only in the last 5 years or so that
there is more funding and hence more paper output in Russia. I am counting real papers and not the fluff this politically
motivated graph is using to "prove" its case.
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NATO propagandist and Serbian 5th column member is upset that 'Russia as a country still exists':
...Anyone still questioning whether NATO wants Russia Balkanized?
Then there's the infamous Madeleine Albright quote:
"Siberia is too large and rich to belong to one country." - Madeleine Albright
...Anyone still questioning whether NATO wants Russia Balkanized?
Then there's the infamous Madeleine Albright quote:
"Siberia is too large and rich to belong to one country." - Madeleine Albright
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