Russophobia, Common Lies-Nonsense on Russia

As of right now, with Putin's popularity up to 89% and that Russians account for about 95% of the population from far east to far west of Russia, nearly impossible. Only regions that could potentially separate are Chechnya, Daegestan, Ingushetia, and some others. Tatarstan couldn't as it would be completely surrounded and an economic blockade would destroy it, plus half of the population is Russian. It is real wishful thinking of the US government because majority of them are so stupidly ignorant that they think that Russians would turn on other Russians, as they don't see them the same people but similar to like Serbs and Croats or something.

But chalk it up to US politicians to be this stupid. Oh, and some Serbian witch that goes in contrary what her country wants.

kvs wrote:This is unrelated to military issues, but it highlights how western propaganda brainwashes the gullible masses.

The stories about Yuschenko being "poisoned" with dioxin and the Nord Ost theater siege are worked into Hollywood
movies and TV.   For example, the movie Transcendence the poison cake is supposedly laced with dioxin.   This is
pure nonsense since dioxin does not act like a regular poison and kills you on the spot.   It makes you sick and then
you can die later due to complications.   Yuschenko's face was disfigured by chloracne that result from dioxin ingestion
but he is very much alive today.   That Hollywood felt the need to pimp dioxin as a "poison" shows political motivation
and not just script writer creativity.

Then they also include Polonium in the bullet that kills a key character.   This is obvious brainwashing.  How about
including some dimethyl mercury in the bullet.   A tiny amount of it will kill you in a slow manner.   BTW, the UK did
not open up its reactors for verification on the source of the Polonium that killed Litvinenko.   Litvinenko's patron
Berezvosky also died after he had a falling out with the western elites and wrote letters to Putin trying to arrange
for a return to Russia.   How convenient.  

The TV show NCIS had one episode where the Dubrovka theater hostage rescue was smeared as "Russians using poison
gas".   It was actually an anesthetic gas and the reason that many hostages died was because it is difficult to control
the dose and resuscitation has to be prompt.   People died from asphyxia because their breathing was put to sleep
and the paramedics were delayed from reaching the scene.   It is tragic but all the western masturbation about how
25% of the hostages died was grotesque and obscene.    Hostage rescues are very messy and such a death rate is
actually considered a "success".  

I noticed this brainwashing via the entertainment industry a long time ago.   Political themes and events were regularly
worked into movies and TV during the cold war.   It is pathetic that westerners can have their views on world events
be framed via fiction.

The people who actually believe this stuff should try it at home to see if it works or such. Would love to hear about that on the news.

People are becoming inherently retarded, at least from the US and even Canada. But whatever, they will have to live with whatever consequences (well, we are already seeing the consequences of our stupidity - hear about the guy from Winnipeg that was arrested for saying he cant blame ISIS for wanting to kill us, because what we have done in the middle east?). Our entire country is turning into one giant shithole and Harper is clearly helping with having NOS added to the vehicle that is our country.

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:Ukrainian were once Russians and they did turn against Russia.
It is not impossible to turn the present-day Russians against each other.

Yes and no.  Prior to Russian Tsar ruling, a huge portion of western Ukraine was part of Poland and for hundreds of years, would have had anti Russian sentiment.  A huge portion of Ukraine now is being governed by western Ukraine and the anti Russian sentiment is mostly from those regions.  You may hear it coming from eastern Ukraine too, but how much do you want to bet it is people whom are not of Russian-Ukrainian heritage.  It is predominantly the Polish Ukrainians and their compatriots that are a problem.

Eastern Russians and Western Russians are simply Russians, and there was never a question about identity and such in any part of history, be it recent or farther past.  So I don't buy into the whole "they can be taught to be different".

Regular wrote:

Werewolf wrote:We've seen what just 23 years can do, ukrainians today believe they are not russians but an own ethnicity with the name "At-boarder-living" and kill their own people on behalf of zionazis and americans while screaming suicidal phrases "Death to russians".

I actually wish someone would do that to US so they can have decade long civil war of their own and leave rest of the world alone, propsering and thriving.

It took a year to turn majority of Ukrainians against Russians. While only few Russians hate Ukrainians as for now.

Anti Russian indoctrination happened for quite a long time.  Let us not forget that now, Russia is swimming with Ukrainians whom are fleeing Ukraine.  Clearly not all Ukrainians are anti Russians.  Simply they were too stupid to see what they were doing.

Only ones whom are screaming death to Russians are usually the useful idiots.

This was posted in the Ukrainian thread:



Ukrainianization has been going on for a very long time. Now that Soviet Union is no more and Russia is its own entity, the concept of Ukrainianization or balkaninization of Russia will not be able to happen. This is currently evident. What is even more funny is that in the last 20+ years, Russia has been under ridiculous amount of bullshit from foreign entities and they have been pushing the balkanization of Russia for some time, and now Russian identity is more powerful than ever. I wonder why? Because Russians are not stupid.

kvs wrote:

Regular wrote:

Werewolf wrote:We've seen what just 23 years can do, ukrainians today believe they are not russians but an own ethnicity with the name "At-boarder-living" and kill their own people on behalf of zionazis and americans while screaming suicidal phrases "Death to russians".

I actually wish someone would do that to US so they can have decade long civil war of their own and leave rest of the world alone, propsering and thriving.

It took a year to turn majority of Ukrainians against Russians. While only few Russians hate Ukrainians as for now.

This is patently false.  The brainwashing started even before 1991.   The Holodomor myth was used to poison relations between
Russians and a minority of Ukrainians.  Given the polling results over the last 10+ years, 50% of Ukrainians do not hate Russians.
These Ukrainians have been robbed of their voice by the coup dictatorship.   Holding votes with only the anti-Russian parties
participating is a sham.   That is in addition to having goons controlling the electoral commission so none of the voting can even
be trusted.

It wasn't even that.  During last elections, the turn out rate was apparently appalling, about as appalling as Poroshenko's party total votes, which sadly enough, was the majority (a little over 20%).

I have little faith in Ukraine, but let us not assume that the whole nation is anti Russian.  I imagine if Russia just walked in Ukraine, there would be a massive partisan group easily willing to work with Russia.  Most are simply afraid.

If the US would try to be successful in doing such an attempt of balkanization of Russia, they would have tried it in the 90's when Russia had no money. They wont be able to. The other issue is that like I mentioned, Russians all over Russia view themselves as Russian, and there hasn't been any push for self identity amongst them as well, it is simple really. And let us be real here, now that Russia is far richer than they were before, and as well, their government has been pushing hard against foreign NGO's and dealing with them properly, it will be nearly impossible for them. In Ukraine, for such a long time, there was constantly anti Russian, pro Ukrainian and Polish sentiment, even before soviet union. Yugoslavia is another matter too since we all know they pitted one another against each other using the "history" against each other. It would defiantly be hard to use history against these regions in Russia as it was Russians who moved into these regions hundreds of years ago, and pretty much outnumber the local populations, not to mention interracial marriages (Shugoi is an example).

higurashihougi wrote:Okay, now British Branwashing Company is blabbering about "slave labour" in Russia...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33614982?SThisFB

I don't know whether BBC do pay equal attention to mistreated foreign housemaids and workers in U.S., Europe, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Hong Kong...

What BBC is failing to state is that North Korea is renting land in Russia for harvesting, and it is North Koreans working that land. They are visitors and they live on compounds similar to how foreigners live in compounds in United Arab Emirate and such, that accommodate their life style. In the end, it is actually up to the North Koreans to pay their people more to work that land, not Russia. Since Russia is simply renting it out.

Polish Media Explains Country's Rating as Most Russophobic Nation on Earth

Commenting on the results of global polling by the Pew Research Center, which found Poland to be the most Russophobic nation in the world, Polish news site Wirtualna Polska attempted to offer an explanation.

In an article for online newspaper Wirtualna Polska entitled 'Why Do Poles Hate Russians More Than Anybody?', columnist Amanda Siwek recalled Pew's findings, which showed that 80 percent of Poles have an antagonistic view of Russia, compared with just 15 percent "who continue to treat our eastern neighbor with sympathy."

For her part, the Siwek attributed growing Russophobia among Poles to the heightening of geopolitical tensions between the two countries. The journalist cited the findings of the Polish Center for Public Opinion Research (CBOS), which noted that back in 1993, 'only' 56 percent of Poles had a negative view of Russia.

Siwek added that these figures have remained relatively consistent over the decades, before worsening dramatically in the past year or so. Siwek suggested that Russia's 'aggression' in the Ukraine crisis, together with Poles' "fears of being attacked by Russia" were the root causes of the uptick in Poles' animosity toward Russia.

Digging into the historical roots of Polish animosity toward Russia, Siwek cited Professor Henryk Domański of the Polish Academy of Sciences, who explained that Polish hostility toward Russia is partly the result of "the history [between the two countries] –of all those defeats and misfortunes which Russia had caused us over the course of many centuries. Under Russian rule, we struggled with economic backwardness for many years. Poles remember this perfectly well, and have carried this attitude of Russia being at fault over the course of many years."

Moreover, Domański explained that "Poles continue to believe that our neighbor is on another, lower cultural level."

Noting that Poles' antagonism toward Putin is even higher than it is toward Russia, with the Russian president sitting at an 87 percent 'no confidence' rating, Siwek went on to cite University of Warsaw Institute of International Relations Professor Maciej Raś, who noted that "Poland is now indeed gripped by anti-Putin sentiment."

Raś suggested that Poles "negative attitudes to Putin are carried over to a negative attitude toward the [Russian] state and, to a lesser extent, toward the Russian population. This approach stems from the fact that Russian society largely supports Putin's actions, particularly in the context of his rivalry with the West. If Russians had treated him critically or at least neutrally, the sentiment of the Poles [toward Russians] would have been different."

Raś noted that Poles dislike Putin for several reasons. "First and foremost, it is because he has turned Russia on a course that is very different from the Western model of development, both internally and in international politics. We are talking here about the ubiquitous corruption of Russia's economic model. Moreover, Putin has made it clear that Russia will implement its own interests, even if it is in spite of the West, including Poland."

Ultimately, Raś told Wirtualna Polska that "in the past as well, Poles have had a negative opinion toward the leaders of Russia and the USSR. This was so under the tsars, under the Soviet general secretaries, and has remained so under Putin."

In the final analysis, in contrast to the 1990s and 2000s, when Polish politicians and society seemed to be somewhat ashamed of being labeled Europe's last Russophobes, today the country's media and political environment seemed determined not only to show pride in that status, but even to export it abroad, within the European Union and even to Russia itself.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150813/1025723976/poland-russia-russophobia-relations.html#ixzz3ij5JbxTB

The amusing thing is that I know a few Brits and they have a very low opinion of Polish people.

Treat em mean to keep em keen...

Poles hate Russians and love westerners, westerners don't like Poles much and hate Russians. With the recent polls showing Russians seeing through the western BS perhaps will come to hate westerners too and everyone can hate together.


Sad thing is that Russia could have been a strong western ally... problem is that the west will not tolerate a strong ally... only strong enemies and subservient allies.