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Russophobia, Common Lies-Nonsense on Russia
Rodion_Romanovic- Posts : 2652
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Re: Russophobia, Common Lies-Nonsense on Russia
Rodion_Romanovic Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:09 am
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There is no English version of this channel, but the dissing is epic. In the above, the presenter disassembles some Georgian
clown who demands $400 billion from Russia. He considers the fact that Georgia has a negative trade balance with Russia
to be "theft". I guess the world must be stealing from poor little USA as well. The clown also yaps about Russians buying
energy assets in Georgia at 30 times below market value. I am totally confused what the f*ck he is barking about. Georgia
doesn't have any notable energy assets. The pompous Georgian chauvinist under discussion also trumpeted the business
initiative of Georgians around 1990 while denigrating Russians for going out to demonstrate. Georgia ran some shadow economy
shops that became irrelevant after the arrival of capitalism. Russia is painted as wrong-doing for not supporting these outfits.
I guess Russians don't have any freedom of choice...
And of course Abkhazia and South Ossetia are treated as territorial theft by Russia. I wonder what Kosovo is then. Unlike
Kosovo was for Serbia, Abkhazia and South Ossetia were never indigenous territories of Georgia and were administrative "additions"
by the Tsars and the Bolsheviks. Georgians are the last people that should speak on their behalf. Especially considering what
transpired after 1990, when Ghamsakurdia slaughtered civilians with military assaults on these republics.
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Not that this is new information, but the lunatics have taken over the Baltics chihuahua asylum. Some influential academic has
excreted a report that calls for the ripping up of rail lines linking Baltic statelets to Russia. Naturally, the economic links are used
as "evidence" of Russian aggression and meddling. Even 1984 double-think and new-speak never transcended such inanity.
Given that historically these Baltic statelets were basically parasites on the trade route via the Gulf of Finland to Central Asia (via
the Russian river network), these nazionalist intellectual fecal nuggets are something else. Go ahead, cut off trade with Russia.
It does not hurt Russia, but it makes you into utter backwater basket cases. The reason why Singapore and Hong Kong flourish
is mainly due to trade (and in fact their economies were founded on it). Without trade the Baltic statelets are utterly nothing.
What retards.
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Dissection of the recent series on Chernobyl. The series is total propaganda BS. A notable example is
its claim that evacuations of civilians from the fallout zone only happened 2 days after the meltdown and
only due to pressure from Europe. This is a brazen lie since almost 50,000 people were evacuated on the
day after the meltdown. This required the collection of at least 1,000 buses without internet and cell phones.
In other words, the evacuation was actually started on the day of the meltdown in terms of the logistics
response. Gathering and fueling 1,000 buses would require a city much larger than Pripyat.
This series also lies about the coercion of cleanup workers. The workers were volunteers. Various high
ranking Soviet officials did not have armed guards in 1986. It also tries to make one of the key high
ranking officials seem like a moron who would actually know the principles of reactor operation.
It shows basically everyone swigging vodka straight from the bottle. In other words, Ukrainians and Russians
are all clinical alcoholics.
Another gem is the claim that Chernobyl experienced the meltdown because the USSR tried to save money
building it. This is the same delusional, ignorant BS about how a command economy can go bankrupt
by spending money. Hilarious retardation.
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One remark to the evacuation. Later studies showed that it was a failure to evacuate the people so quickly. They received the most radiation as they waited in the open for the busses. Today the experts say that it is the best to stay a few days inside the house (with closed doors and windows) until most of the radiation that was expelled at the accident has settled.
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Hole wrote:One remark to the evacuation. Later studies showed that it was a failure to evacuate the people so quickly. They received the most radiation as they waited in the open for the busses. Today the experts say that it is the best to stay a few days inside the house (with closed doors and windows) until most of the radiation that was expelled at the accident has settled.
Instead of making up fiction, the producers of the show could have used real life events to get a better story. Instead, they
chose to politicize every freaking aspect.
I disagree with the claim about better staying indoors. The fallout would only stick to the ground if there was rain and the ground was
wet. If it was dry, which it was, the fallout dust would be remobilized by wind and people not wearing protection would be exposed. In
fact, if they waited several days and allowed most of the fallout to accumulate, the wind blown fallout particulate would have been
even worse than standing outside on the second day. It would have been worse if they stood outside in rain since rain would have brought
down most of the fallout particulate. Under dry conditions, sedimentation is slow for the worst particles which are of the smallest
diameter and get deep into the lungs.
These studies you cite are, in my qualified opinion, dubious.
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AFAIK people who had family in Russia or Belarus were out by their own means before even evacuation started. No one was holding them.
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It seems there is a report in the NYT that is actually positive about Russia, and while it is not the establishment in the US, it is an indicator that perhaps they are starting to realise that China has much more potential to upset their current hegemony by offering an alternative to western leanings for the rest of the world than Russia does, so they are starting to think that the opposite of what they did in the cold war, where they used China against the Soviet Union, might be their best ploy now... use Russia and India against China...
I am sure the liberals in both India and Russia would love the attention and limelight they would get from no longer being the enemy of the west, but I don't think the majority in Russia or India are that stupid... or are they?
Sad as it sounds I think it would be better for Russia and India to remain separate from the west because the west doesn't know where it is heading... it seems companies have rather more control of laws passed in government, and they really only engineer those laws for their profits and ignore the average person... forgetting those average people are not only their workers but also their customers.
The result so far is that they have put so much pressure on the average persons income and situation that quite often it makes more sense to send production offshore... so local people who want to buy their products can, but where can they find work to pay for it? This leads to borrowing, which makes the banks and lending institutions richer, just so people can get their basics of life... hardly the American dream and certainly not a place china or russia want to head towards.
https://www.rt.com/usa/464767-trump-russia-nyt-relationship-china/
I am sure the liberals in both India and Russia would love the attention and limelight they would get from no longer being the enemy of the west, but I don't think the majority in Russia or India are that stupid... or are they?
Sad as it sounds I think it would be better for Russia and India to remain separate from the west because the west doesn't know where it is heading... it seems companies have rather more control of laws passed in government, and they really only engineer those laws for their profits and ignore the average person... forgetting those average people are not only their workers but also their customers.
The result so far is that they have put so much pressure on the average persons income and situation that quite often it makes more sense to send production offshore... so local people who want to buy their products can, but where can they find work to pay for it? This leads to borrowing, which makes the banks and lending institutions richer, just so people can get their basics of life... hardly the American dream and certainly not a place china or russia want to head towards.
https://www.rt.com/usa/464767-trump-russia-nyt-relationship-china/
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Russia shouldn't lean towards China culturally or politically.
Any Chinese conflict against US should be used for profit.
China is should be looked at with scepticism as time will show that how long they can play superpower before falling face down, just like USA.
Last thing you want to do is to borrow from Chinese and have them influence your local politics. Russia should stay independent and have China as an ally without leaning or bending.
Any Chinese conflict against US should be used for profit.
China is should be looked at with scepticism as time will show that how long they can play superpower before falling face down, just like USA.
Last thing you want to do is to borrow from Chinese and have them influence your local politics. Russia should stay independent and have China as an ally without leaning or bending.
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Regular wrote:Russia shouldn't lean towards China culturally or politically.
Any Chinese conflict against US should be used for profit.
China is should be looked at with scepticism as time will show that how long they can play superpower before falling face down, just like USA.
Last thing you want to do is to borrow from Chinese and have them influence your local politics. Russia should stay independent and have China as an ally without leaning or bending.
China is not a certain quantity. But the west is a 100%, 1000 year enemy of Russia.
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I can tell you right now that the west is a corrupting influence... if Russia wants to develop it needs to expand its trade and right now trade with the EU and US are stifled by those same entities... which is really a good thing for Russia because in terms of trade their big players would simply buy up or crush Russian businesses leading to the expansion of global corporations into a whole new market.
The 100 billion a year trade with the EU has turned in to much less but trade with China has expanded to compensate and I think Russia should realise that trade on its own is good but trade with the west leads to demands from the west and criticism from the west about how Russia is not westernised enough... and I can tell you it wont get better, it will only get worse.
Russia should look to China and Asia and India and Africa and central and south america for trade partners where Russia wont tell those countries what to do and they wont tell Russia what to do... you know... like a normal trade relationship... when you buy groceries from a shop the owner does not demand you accept there are 4 genders and that all your children have to be gay friendly... why would you be a customer at such a shop.
The 100 billion a year trade with the EU has turned in to much less but trade with China has expanded to compensate and I think Russia should realise that trade on its own is good but trade with the west leads to demands from the west and criticism from the west about how Russia is not westernised enough... and I can tell you it wont get better, it will only get worse.
Russia should look to China and Asia and India and Africa and central and south america for trade partners where Russia wont tell those countries what to do and they wont tell Russia what to do... you know... like a normal trade relationship... when you buy groceries from a shop the owner does not demand you accept there are 4 genders and that all your children have to be gay friendly... why would you be a customer at such a shop.
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Retard parade.
Some Banderastan ex-pat claims that Russian sounds like Klingon. To the average non-Slav, actually both
Ukrainian and Russia sound very similar. For obvious reasons.
Little whorelet pandering to American morons.
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They mentioned an isotope as being part of the fuel being used, which probably relates to the radiation they are worried about.
The Zircon uses very high energy fuel and testing it on the Onyx would be risky because its fuel system was not designed for the fuel being used in Zircon.
I suspect this is Zircon high energy fuel being tested in an Onyx and the fuel system failing violently... that would be loading the fuel, not actually launching the missile when all the people would be safe inside bunkers for such a test.
The Zircon uses very high energy fuel and testing it on the Onyx would be risky because its fuel system was not designed for the fuel being used in Zircon.
I suspect this is Zircon high energy fuel being tested in an Onyx and the fuel system failing violently... that would be loading the fuel, not actually launching the missile when all the people would be safe inside bunkers for such a test.
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kvs wrote:
Retard parade.
Some Banderastan ex-pat claims that Russian sounds like Klingon. To the average non-Slav, actually both
Ukrainian and Russia sound very similar. For obvious reasons.
Little whorelet pandering to American morons.
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That wasn't an insult, stop being so passive-aggressive every time someone says something about Russia. She just said to her the languages sound similar and I speak Russian and they are some similarities with the language, not alot but it's there.
You'd honestly give Americans a very bad opinion of Russians if you acted like this to every single thing.
Btw the Klingons political infrastructure was based on Communist Russia and Nazi Germany with attire looking some Asian cultures they were designed to be the finest warriors.
So the creator based them off that.
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She is actually of Ukrainian Russian descendant. Has not liked what has happened in Ukraine but has to be careful how much she says so...
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But why doesn't she like it... they are living the American dream aren't they?
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GarryB wrote:But why doesn't she like it... they are living the American dream aren't they?
Apparently some family history with Nazi Ukrainian nationalist... but vague on details so could all be BS.
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Well if it is because she opposes Ukrainian nazis then I can understand why she would not be happy with the state of the Ukraine...
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franco wrote:GarryB wrote:But why doesn't she like it... they are living the American dream aren't they?
Apparently some family history with Nazi Ukrainian nationalist... but vague on details so could all be BS.
She is jew. Her opinion matters nothing. When there are jews involved they stir the hate between any nationalities. She can pretend she is russian and insult ukrainian, then do vice versa. And when shit hits the fan- she becomes a jewish. These how it works with them and Israeli neighbors know it the best.
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Regular wrote:franco wrote:GarryB wrote:But why doesn't she like it... they are living the American dream aren't they?
Apparently some family history with Nazi Ukrainian nationalist... but vague on details so could all be BS.
She is jew. Her opinion matters nothing. When there are jews involved they stir the hate between any nationalities. She can pretend she is russian and insult ukrainian, then do vice versa. And when shit hits the fan- she becomes a jewish. These how it works with them and Israeli neighbors know it the best.
Ah Jesus Christ.
What is it with you and your backwardness Regular?
My father's Jewish - he's from the Ukraine, but came to Russia originally to study back in the Soviet era. Lived in Israel in the 90s for 6 months, but couldn't stand the nationalism and propaganda there; didn't identify with the Jewish state in any way. Defends Russia to foreigners, big critic of the government though among Russian-speakers, anti what he sees as adventures in the Ukraine. Lives abroad now in Europe and hasn't been back to Russia for nearly 10 years. But on the night that little stand-off happened with Trump over Syria he phoned me up to tell me that we should sink all the yankee ships to the bottom of the Meditteranean if they launch missiles at Russian bases; that enough is enough. I didn't have the heart to tell him that even if they did, that WW3 mutual mass-suicide wouldn't solve anyone's problems.
I don't think Mila Kunis means to insult either Russians or Ukrainians. She said that people say Russian sounds like Klingon, but to her it sounds romantic. What's so offensive about that?
American Jews are split between reactionary right-wing (who are further split into Zionists and those who are quite anti-Israel, but nationalists of Jewish identity), and those who are the same as other Americans and rapidly assimilate, intermarry and so on. There's also a minority of religious Jews there, who are also split into radical pro-Israeli sentiment and radical anti-Israeli sentiment (albeit more of the former). Among Russian Jews many assimilate into American society and the wider Jewish community there. There are also some that continue to identify with Russian/ex-Soviet culture; during the World Cup, there was a horde of Russian flag-waving in Brighton Beach.
There's no such thing as what you're talking about. 2 Jews, 3 opinions as the saying goes. Maybe this confuses some people, that assume that every Jew is one and the same person, a schizophrenic hive mind. In as far as they're a single people, they have less cohesiveness on politics, sympathies, ideologies, etc... than other peoples, not more.
Israelis act the way they do because it's the Middle East. Every minority there is opportunistic and ethno-nationalist seeking superpower patronage (Jews, Kurds, etc...), and the majorities are messianic-fundamentalist or chauvinist-assimilatory (Iranians, Arabs, Turks). This is what happens when regressive ideals are popular and regions are war-torn. Let's not build repeat all this in Europe.
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But wouldn't that be called blowback... Europe... in particular Britain and France have done a lot of ground work in the Middle East to ensure conflict and prevent unity... a unified arab world would challenge the west seeing as how they happen to be sitting on the wests oil supply.
Of course unity in the western world is about as hollow as unity in Europe...
And I agree it is important to point out that there are Jews who think Israel is a bad idea and creates tension and hostility towards Jews with little to no chance of peace in the region... palestinians are not allowed a state why should jews have one?
Or more precisely certain jews are preventing palestinians from statehood, why should those jews be allowed a state?
Of course unity in the western world is about as hollow as unity in Europe...
And I agree it is important to point out that there are Jews who think Israel is a bad idea and creates tension and hostility towards Jews with little to no chance of peace in the region... palestinians are not allowed a state why should jews have one?
Or more precisely certain jews are preventing palestinians from statehood, why should those jews be allowed a state?
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GarryB wrote:But wouldn't that be called blowback... Europe... in particular Britain and France have done a lot of ground work in the Middle East to ensure conflict and prevent unity... a unified arab world would challenge the west seeing as how they happen to be sitting on the wests oil supply.
Of course unity in the western world is about as hollow as unity in Europe...
And I agree it is important to point out that there are Jews who think Israel is a bad idea and creates tension and hostility towards Jews with little to no chance of peace in the region... palestinians are not allowed a state why should jews have one?
Or more precisely certain jews are preventing palestinians from statehood, why should those jews be allowed a state?
Well we can use that argument against anyone can't we. The same Britain and France did plenty to prevent plenty of peoples establishing states in Africa, Asia, etc...
America is a state only because its colonists wiped out the native people and their states first.
Russia has its current form because it also colonized Siberia, the Caucasus.
And so on.
I prefer to think of things from a real perspective than an idealist one (whether good or bad ideals). Israel is a state, with millions of people that have already lived a few generations in it; no matter where they originally came from. One way or the other it won't be right to deport them or some such. Same as other states in the world. The trouble is not with the fact that it's a state, but with its politics. Maybe they should just not interfere and conduct operations, and that will be enough for a Palestinian state to come about. Maybe they should withdraw to its old borders and actively broker a compromise with the Palestinian elite class, facilitate the establishment of independent Palestine. It's possible that the only legitimate Israel is one that's not a Jewish one, but that's joint with Palestinian lands and people as well. I don't know, nor does it much concern me - it's just a tiny corner of a very big planet, and there are more important things to worry about in Russia.
As for unity in Europe - it is certainly hollow as it doesn't have any sort of political-economic system that would allow that. Rather, one that makes social division, disenfranchisement with 'values', exploitation of the itinerant working class in poorer members, the rise of nationalist and reactionary political parties - all inevitable. However it's still way ahead of the Middle East; no need to regress quite that far.
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The problem with unity in Europe is that it is forced... a group decides what everyone should think and then demands everyone think the same way they do... except the people of europe never get to chose who is part of that group, and they are often fairly radical and seem to be rather left.
More of a problem is the people who are offended because other people don't agree with their views... without any discussion on the matter at all.
Trump won the election because the Hilary group thought they had it in the bag and the media supported them in that view right up until she lost because she was doing enough to what she thought would get her a win and nothing more... she didn't care what all americans wanted or thought, she just said what she thought would get her 51% of the vote, and when it didn't happen it was everything else to blame... Russian hackers, Russian collusion...
More of a problem is the people who are offended because other people don't agree with their views... without any discussion on the matter at all.
Trump won the election because the Hilary group thought they had it in the bag and the media supported them in that view right up until she lost because she was doing enough to what she thought would get her a win and nothing more... she didn't care what all americans wanted or thought, she just said what she thought would get her 51% of the vote, and when it didn't happen it was everything else to blame... Russian hackers, Russian collusion...
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GarryB wrote:The problem with unity in Europe is that it is forced... a group decides what everyone should think and then demands everyone think the same way they do... except the people of europe never get to chose who is part of that group, and they are often fairly radical and seem to be rather left.
They are neo-liberals. It's an ideology closer to the Hegelian principle than to anything based in material reality. In the 19th century, the Hegelian principle was used to explain that misery and social ills during industrialization came because people were becoming religiously alienated. Classic chicken before the egg falacy.
Nowadays, the thinking is that 3rd world countries suffer because they are not 'democratic' enough. Domestic society suffers, because it is not 'tolerant' enough. All that's needed is to change people's patterns of thinking and demonize everyone who thinks differently, it's oh so simple.
Liberalism claims to be the result of the enlightment, the triumph of reason over superstition. Perhaps in its original form it was true, but nowadays it has devolved to the form of a religion, and a moralistic value system. Be a better Christian, be a more enlightened liberal - and everything will be okay, all the ills of society will vanish. And if absolutely everyone in the world was a good liberal, or a good Muslim, or whatever - then there would be world peace. Yeah, good luck turning everyone to one set of ideals, and even more luck with the notion that they'll all follow these tenets faithfully. Here comes in the neccessity for a religious or ideological vanguard. Which will inevitably become corrupted after a few generations, even if they were once true believers.
More of a problem is the people who are offended because other people don't agree with their views... without any discussion on the matter at all.
In rather the same manner of past century religious intolerance and witch-hunts. If you believe in a set of religious doctrines for the basis of a society and another person believes in a different set of religious doctrines; of course there will be a conflict.
In the same manner, when you believe in a bunch of ideological superstitions and a moral value system as the basis of a political system (you have your own idea of how people are supposed to be, and don't accept them for what they are as a result of their social, economic conditions and historical memory); you're going to come into conflict with those with different ideals. When Muslim immigrants in Europe are asked to integrate, they are actually being asked to swap their religion for another. Now of course many of those Muslim immigrants bring with them backward ideals themselves - but pressuring on them to adopt a (state-sponsored) different value system and for all intents and purposes - religion - will create tension. And even if they were all converted, it won't actually solve anything as the state is backwards itself and justifies war and aggression by some arbitrary morals; building 'freedom', 'democracy', etc.... (which the actual reasons in reality have little to do with). The stronger such states are and the more influence they have, the worse for the world.
The state should not support any value system, it should be based on scientific reasoning. Or if it does, then concrete things everyone wants and can relate with - peace, economic development, education, etc... with progress, old antagonisms will go away by themselves.
This is not to say that idealist values and religions have no value. They surely do - but only in the manner of an individual or collective philosophy and way of behavior towards other people. In that sense they are desirable, but in the field of politics, or any science - they're not.
Trump won the election because the Hilary group thought they had it in the bag and the media supported them in that view right up until she lost because she was doing enough to what she thought would get her a win and nothing more... she didn't care what all americans wanted or thought, she just said what she thought would get her 51% of the vote, and when it didn't happen it was everything else to blame... Russian hackers, Russian collusion...
Internal enemies too - white men, the patriarchy, etc...
Couldn't be because she was a war-mongering power-hungry bitch and advocated more of the same, while Trump was a politician that whatever his views, actually seemed to be sincere in what he said, and came in from outside the democrat-republican establishment.
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Baltic Countries, Poland and Romania. The most anti-Russian countries...
https://tass.com/politics/1074756Certain countries speculate on Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact for political gains — expert
Earlier, foreign ministers of the Baltic Countries, Poland and Romania delivered a joint statement on the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact’s 80th anniversary
MOSCOW, August 23. /TASS/. A number of Eastern European countries are exploiting the anniversary of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, or Treaty of Non-aggression, signed between the Soviet Union and Germany as an instrument of immediate political struggle and heightening tensions, Russian Valdai Discussion Club Board Chairman Andrey Bystritsky told TASS on Friday.
Earlier, foreign ministers of the Baltic Countries, Poland and Romania delivered a joint statement on the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact’s 80th anniversary. The ministers claimed that the pact had unleashed World War II and doomed half of Europe to decades of suffering.
"This is not about history, not about what was happening many years ago, it is about what is happening now. This is political life, political struggle, political fears and leanings. In that sense, World War II never ended, because we are living in many paradigms left by the war," the expert said, commenting on this statement.
"The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, just as much as the 1938 Munich Agreement, or the so-called Munich Betrayal, are historic events, which could be academically discussed in a sober manner, on the one hand. On the other hand, it plays a role in the immediate political struggle. Therefore, the Baltic States project their fears, concerns and bias on Russia. There is not even the slightest of ground for that," he said.
According to Bystritsky, some politicians in Eastern Europe are alarmed by the talk of a possible G8 reinstatement and they obtained an "extra reason to react." "They believe that it is favorable to paint Russia as a threat, as they believe that they will secure more assistance this way. They need to keep everybody on their toes for that, including their western partners, therefore, they need to use every chance they get to heighten this anxiety, increase this alarmism," the political scientist concluded.
Treaty of Non-aggression
The Treaty of Non-aggression between the Soviet Union and Germany, also known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, was signed by Soviet Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov and his German counterpart Joachim von Ribbentrop in Moscow on August 23, 1939.
The parties pledged to refrain from attacking each other and maintain neutrality in case a third country attacks either one of them. Simultaneously with the pact talks, the Soviet Union was negotiating a trilateral mutual assistance treaty with the United Kingdom and France in Moscow. The non-aggression pact also had a secret additional protocol enclosed, which defined and established Soviet and German spheres of influence in Eastern Europe in case of territorial and political rearrangements.
The document designated Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Eastern Poland, as well as Bessarabia as the Soviet sphere of interests, while Lithuania and Western Poland made up the German sphere.