Talking bollocks thread #3

GarryB wrote:Japan was forced to look for resources because of white naval blockades... the Japs went in to China just after the British left... Opium wars and all that...

20 million chinese... stalin killed 100 million Russians blah blah blah... white people are so hard to impress so numbers are inflated so they notice... but they don't care.

Most white people talk about WWII like it was battle of britain, pearl harbour, d-day and then the nukes were dropped to end it all... 39-45 or for the Americans 41-45...

The Japs aren't the bad guys because they are helping us fight the Soviets... they kill 20 million Chinese which is rather more than any western absurd estimate of the number Stalin supposedly killed but who in the west sees Japan as more evil that Stalin?

History is bullshit.

Yes Japan was effin evil in WWII, many Asian nations that suffered under Japanese occupation still hate the Japanese. Very few people know 4M indonesians died under Japanese occupation...4m !! WOW...barely a footnote in history. One of my uncles was killed by the Japanse.

The US exterminated ~20% of the North Korean population in their genocidal campaign to take control of the Korean peninsula, and dropped more bombs on NK than they did in all of WW2. Little wonde r that the NK leaedeship refuses to take Murican promies (lies) at face value.

FFS, the Muricans have waged 20 years of war against all ME nations that refuse their hegemony all because a handful of Islamist nutters brought down a few building and killed 3.5k people, yet they expect nations like NK and ex-Soviet Russia to just "get over" their traumatic pasts? Murican leaders are idiots and fools of the 1st order.

Big_Gazza wrote:The US exterminated ~20% of the North Korean population in their genocidal campaign to take control of the Korean peninsula, and dropped more bombs on NK than they did in all of WW2. Little wonde r that the NK leaedeship refuses to take Murican promies (lies) at face value.

FFS, the Muricans have waged 20 years of war against all ME nations that refuse their hegemony all because a handful of Islamist nutters brought down a few building and killed 3.5k people, yet they expect nations like NK and ex-Soviet Russia to just "get over" their traumatic pasts? Murican leaders are idiots and fools of the 1st order.

And what does any of this have to do with the fact that Japan killed 20 million Chinese in WW2 and would have killed many more had they not been curbstomped by USA using among other things aircraft carrier Intrepid which was the reason behind this whole discussion?

Japanese killed 20 million Chinese, that's a fact

And all it cost was 20 million of those pesky Chinese

It was quite a bargain (if you ask the Japs)

You are forgetting your place PD.... JAPAN is Americas bitch... those 20 million Chinese are obviously communists or going to be communists and therefore not real people anyway.

If you are going to be an american stooge you have to know when to change sides... and do it quickly... if you are even slightly out of step you might find yourself supporting the taleban against the Russians in Afghanistan in the late 1990s, and not change sides after 11/9 when they are the bad guys...

So why not make up our own, right?

Most of that propagated is western historical propaganda, worse than worthless.

Yes Japan was effin evil in WWII, many Asian nations that suffered under Japanese occupation still hate the Japanese. Very few people know 4M indonesians died under Japanese occupation...4m !! WOW...barely a footnote in history. One of my uncles was killed by the Japanse.

The funny thing is that you say in WWII... when Japan started expanding into the Pacific they came to countries occupied by western colonial powers like indochina, so the locals didn't just suffer the brutality of the Japs... they suffered under colonial rule of france or the UK or whatever other west european colonial power had claimed the area for its resources... then they enjoyed jap rule for so many years and then the white colonials hired those very same jap troops to keep order in their colonies because they didn't have the troops to spare to do it themselves.... there had just been a war on you know...

So for instance Vietnam had the pleasure of French rule and then the Japs and then the French back and when they finally got rid of those bastards the Americans arrived and they had to fight them too... how many died in Vietnam?

But in the precise and accurate record of world history the war in Vietnam had nothing to do with white colonial , or the jap  that replaced them... it was about communism...   right...

Communism is blamed for all sorts of things but most of the time it is the result of the previous system failing the majority so bad that anything else becomes a sensible option...

And what does any of this have to do with the fact that Japan killed 20 million Chinese in WW2 and would have killed many more had they not been curbstomped by USA using among other things aircraft carrier Intrepid which was the reason behind this whole discussion?

The Japanese didn't have the time or the ammo or the capacity to kill 20 million Chinese between 1939 and 1945... that is just bullshit.... western propaganda bullshit.

Moving to talking bollocks thread....

https://twitter.com/Pataramesh/status/1321474929594929153

Those data are all classified. His ranking has no value...

The list is total nonsense. The Iranians neither have the experience, expertise nor the resources to replicate the S-400. Even China, with orders magnitude more of the three has to import the S-400 just to keep abreast with Russian developments and you're telling me Iran could achieve all that without going through nearly a fraction of the hoops China does? Wishful thinking.

It was made by a random iranian guy on twitter. That should be forbiden on the forum.

This is not Facebook. If someone wants to post something stupid it is his choice.

The bottomline is Iran badly needs modern weapons, but her MIC simply could not produce those weapons at the level of quality and quantity that could make them competitive with foreign arms. Pretending otherwise out of national pride is stupid, counterproductive and ultimately dangerous.

Well to be fair not every SAM missile the Iranians use need to be S-400 level weapons capable of sweeping everything from the sky at 400km range.

Even the old missiles the Russians operate like the SA-3s which were intended for use against low and medium altitude threats while SA-1 and SA-2 confronted the high flying bombers still have their use... a target like a dumb cruise missile can be shot down with most SAMs because putting essentially an EW suite on a cruise missile to let the missile become aware that it is under attack makes them much more expensive, and even then it wont know it is under attack from passive homing weapons...

SA-3s could smack down large numbers of slow low flying cruise missiles... leaving the bigger and newer missiles for more difficult targets...

With a good IADS you can add old obsolete systems because part of an IADS is sensors but also management... decisions on what system on the flight path of the threat would be best suited to shoot down that threat at this time.

Equally more sophisticated incoming missiles might detect components of the defences and actually be programmed to attack certain portions to weaken it so for instance a fake decoy S-400 radar emitter encased in armour plate could be used... open the armoured door and transmit a signal pretending to be an S-400 battery... then shut down like a real battery would and shut the armoured door and then have dozens of missiles exploding nearby trying to take out the radar.... then open the armoured door and transmit again and then shut the door for the subsequent attacking forces... optical systems can be used to see where actual weapons are so the door can be closed as they approach...

It is not an easy simple game and both sides can play all sorts of tricks.

It was made by a random iranian guy on twitter. That should be forbiden on the forum.

You can all judge the quality for yourself... there are people with talent around... I don't want to put them off making such charts if it collates information.... obviously sources need to be clear if you want to discuss it and take it seriously... but this is the sort of thing that happens all the time... look at US official ratings of quietness of submarines for example... the information certainly wont be 100% accurate and they certainly wont reveal any actual secrets and want to make it appear they are getting value for money even if the steel their subs are made of is not even up to their own standards and requirements...

lyle6 wrote:The bottomline is Iran badly needs modern weapons, but her MIC simply could not produce those weapons at the level of quality and quantity that could make them competitive with foreign arms. Pretending otherwise out of national pride is stupid, counterproductive and ultimately dangerous.

dafuq?  

The US used to think so until Iran whacked their bases in Iraq with precision missiles strikes in response to the murder of Soleimani.  Or the LACM strike from Yemen that smacked the Saudi oil facilities. Very few nations can make missile systems that perform as well as the recent Iranian force demonstrations.

Iranian military is MASSIVELY under-estimated by idiots in the West (and Zionistan & the Sunni Arab kleptocracies).

Big_Gazza wrote:
dafuq?  

The US used to think so until Iran whacked their bases in Iraq with precision missiles strikes in response to the murder of Soleimani.  Or the LACM strike from Yemen that smacked the Saudi oil facilities. Very few nations can make missile systems that perform as well as the recent Iranian force demonstrations.

Iranian military is MASSIVELY under-estimated by idiots in the West (and Zionistan & the Sunni Arab kleptocracies).

Said bases were practically stripped of the required air defences, and the Saudis are just that incompetent. Iran got a small win exploiting the bravado of their opponents but make no mistake the US will straight up thrash them in a serious fight.

lyle6 wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:
dafuq?  

The US used to think so until Iran whacked their bases in Iraq with precision missiles strikes in response to the murder of Soleimani.  Or the LACM strike from Yemen that smacked the Saudi oil facilities. Very few nations can make missile systems that perform as well as the recent Iranian force demonstrations.

Iranian military is MASSIVELY under-estimated by idiots in the West (and Zionistan & the Sunni Arab kleptocracies).

Said bases were practically stripped of the required air defences, and the Saudis are just that incompetent. Iran got a small win exploiting the bravado of their opponents but make no mistake the US will straight up thrash them in a serious fight.

Iran uses SKD kits to allow a militia to strike deep in KSA.
This is something the Armenians should have looked into for ages now. Especially as the guidance system is very basic.
The US will have the upper hand but it will be a protracted war with many ups and downs.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

lyle6 wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:
dafuq?  

The US used to think so until Iran whacked their bases in Iraq with precision missiles strikes in response to the murder of Soleimani.  Or the LACM strike from Yemen that smacked the Saudi oil facilities. Very few nations can make missile systems that perform as well as the recent Iranian force demonstrations.

Iranian military is MASSIVELY under-estimated by idiots in the West (and Zionistan & the Sunni Arab kleptocracies).

Said bases were practically stripped of the required air defences, and the Saudis are just that incompetent. Iran got a small win exploiting the bravado of their opponents but make no mistake the US will straight up thrash them in a serious fight.

Iran uses SKD kits to allow a militia to strike deep in KSA.
This is something the Armenians should have looked into for ages now. Especially as the guidance system is very basic.
The US will have the upper hand but it will be a protracted war with many ups and downs.

Russia, China, and North Korea won't stand idly by and would insure to play their part behind the scenes. Russia could all SIGINT and advancing targeting and tactics, and could just as easily carry out a heavy ECM attack on a carrier group, and ensure 10 or 15 ballistic missiles hit a Nimitz class rendering it inoperable (if not destroyed), with plausible deniability (Iranians taking all the credit). North Korea could supply ballistic missiles, using Russian territory (and the Caspian Sea) as a corridor to delivering weapons. China could provide financial and economic aid in the crisis.

lyle6 wrote:Said bases were practically stripped of the required air defences, and the Saudis are just that incompetent. Iran got a small win exploiting the bravado of their opponents but make no mistake the US will straight up thrash them in a serious fight.

The Fuq?
Air defenses??..... for the Iraqis, sorry but the U.S refused to give Iraq basic F-16s for years even when ISIS was Marching to Baghdad, heck that was partly why ISIS got so far.
Russia had to sell them SU-25 just to save their As.
And you think Merca was gonna sell them air defenses, ha.

Sure, merca can trash almost anybody,... at a cost.
And sadly for them Iran will cost them big time.

Iran is not stupid like Iraq under Saddam was, and give Merca 6 months or more to prepare, those jumping off point will be bombed.
Iran will not waste it's missiles to start some stupid/retarded sh%t with Israel.

Iran is not all bark either like that idiot Gaddafi in Libya, barking all day about taking on the evil West, but never properly invested in defense for sh%t.

Trump had plenty of opportunities to attack Iran but he decided not to... do you think that is because Iran is not really in the same category as Iraq or Syria or Yemen or Libya...

I mean to be fair, Trump is not a particularly smart person, but he is also a business man and knows wars are expensive and often counter productive... part of the reason he was elected was because he openly talked about useless wars that cost American lives that really don't matter for American security and stability and in fact often make America less safe internationally than more safe... so I suspect he would be harder to convince to go to war against Iran than say Hillary or Obama.

People talk about how superior the US is and how they can trash countries, but look at which countries defeated them... Somalia... springs to mind... they picked the wrong enemy and got a bloody nose for it... they didn't need to make that warlord an enemy and everything would have been fine but they did something stupid during what should have been a rescue mission to feed people who were starving and they made it into a war.

They couldn't even beat tiny poorly equipped Serbia and had to use Russia to trick both Russia and Serbia... HATO refused to send in ground forces because they were afraid... obviously respect to Serbia, and Somali warlords... and of course all the other countries the US has tangled with and lost... Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, ...

AlfaT8 wrote:...
Iran is not all bark either like that idiot Gaddafi in Libya, barking all day about taking on the evil West, but never properly invested in defense for sh%t.

Libya at one point had MiG-25s. However after the Lockerbie incident they were marginalized and couldn't acquire weapons in the open market easily.
Gaddafi had previous to that survived numerous assassination attempts, including bombing his palace, that's why he lived in a tent.
The West also tried to put him down with the war on Chad where they armed insurgents with "technicals" and he had to fight in the south for years.

His problem was he thought by relinquishing power they would let his country do its own thing. That was misguided.

lancelot wrote:
Libya at one point had MiG-25s. However after the Lockerbie incident they were marginalized and couldn't acquire weapons in the open market easily.
Gaddafi had previous to that survived numerous assassination attempts, including bombing his palace, that's why he lived in a tent.
The West also tried to put him down with the war on Chad where they armed insurgents with "technicals" and he had to fight in the south for years.

His problem was he thought by relinquishing power they would let his country do its own thing. That was misguided.

The Lockerbie incident was in 1988 and Gaddafi's fall was in 2011.
And the Toyota War officially ended in 1994.

All sanctions on Libya minus the U.S ones were lifted in 2003.
So, what the hell was Gaddafi doing from 2003 onwards?

thegopnik wrote:
I never knew about this until Jo Asakura(Japanese user with a strong support for Russia electronics) back at key aero and his constant arguments with Action Jackson. I started to see familiar key aero users like Trident, you and eventually haavarla and Dr.snufflebug joined recently, Ronny(mig-31bm at key aero, stealthflanker at india defense forum saying he is not the real stealthflanker of other forums like this one, etc) at secret projects. But I am starting to think the admin or moderators are pro-US gov agents with a bias which ruined my stay there. Because I bring up the internal kinzhal or a 100km hermes missile on a ka-52 and they immediately turn it down without a 2nd thought.

As the admin of Secret Projects I can assure you

1) I'm not a pro-US government agent (I'm British, and live in New Zealand)
2) Nor are any of the moderators (Russian, German, German, Spanish, French (retired)). I've known them all for between 14-17 years.

Assuming that people who disagree with you must have an ulterior motive is deficient thinking of the conspiracy mould. The most critical moderator of your posts was flateric who is Russian and works in the Russian aviation industry. His objections were that your sources for your news posts were Russian news agencies of the worst reputation for accuracy. Just like if you posted stories on the F-35 from The National Enquirer or the Daily Sport, there was some pushback.

Let's go on topic for a bit. I've been interested in Soviet / Russian aviation for 37 years. I've observed the Su-57 program from the start. It seems like a competent design aerodynamically, it's basically just one large lifting surface and is the logical development of the "integral" layout of the Su-27.

The interim engines are a weak point, but the phase 2 engines could change things around. the avionics suite looks interesting if overly complicated. I'm doubtful that Russia has spent enough in R&D to make something completely comparable to the F-22 and F-35, but I don't think that's the intention.

If anything I think the Su-57 will have better avionics than the F-22. It is simply a much more recent design.
Even the initial engines have decent performance. I suspect their lifetime is probably not that great though. Probably pushed to the max of materials.
The second stage engines will be ready in a couple of years. That is I think the major reason why we didn't see a big order of the Su-57 any sooner.
I also think comparing the Su-57 with the Su-27 is a bit naive. It is a whole new design. It looks nothing like the Flanker.
It reminds me of people who said the USAF chose the YF-22 over the YF-23 because they wanted an aircraft which looked like a stealthy F-15 and the YF-22 was it.

Just look at the Su-57. It has all moving canted tailplanes. It has more moveable surfaces than the Su-27. The wing looks nothing like the Su-27 wing.
The avionics aren't the same, not even the same as in the Su-35, since this one uses fiber optics to connect the airplane avionics together IIRC.

I mean like nothing is the same as in the Su-27 or the Su-35. Even the engines.
They may also be called Al-41. But there are a lot of engines with Al-41 name and they have next to nothing in common with each other.
One is the engine in MiG Project 1.44. The other is the Su-35 engine. Then there is Su-57 engine. They have nothing in common. Just look at basic specs.

lancelot wrote:If anything I think the Su-57 will have better avionics than the F-22. It is simply a much more recent design.

The component base will be much more recent, for sure. That doesn't necessarily mean the sensors will be superior operationally. LPI techniques are new to Russia and historically Russian ECCM capabilities have been weaker.

lancelot wrote:Even the initial engines have decent performance. I suspect their lifetime is probably not that great though. Probably pushed to the max of materials.

The second stage engines will be ready in a couple of years. That is I think the major reason why we didn't see a big order of the Su-57 any sooner.

lancelot wrote:
I also think comparing the Su-57 with the Su-27 is a bit naive. It is a whole new design. It looks nothing like the Flanker.
It reminds me of people who said the USAF chose the YF-22 over the YF-23 because they wanted an aircraft which looked like a stealthy F-15 and the YF-22 was it.

Perhaps you need to reread what I said. The Su-27 "integral" layout was conceived as essentially a tailed 'flying wing' based on the T-4MS. Originally the entire airframe, including the entire fuselage and engine nacelles was to be composed of aerofoils, in an attempt to get the greatest possible lift/drag ratio. This was impractical to build as it meant constant curves everywhere so it was vetoed by the structural department, and the final Su-27 design has more conventional design, but the blended body and lifting surface approach is taken even further in the Su-57. Lift generated by the Su-57 configuration must be extremely high, its all lifting surface.

lancelot wrote:The avionics aren't the same, not even the same as in the Su-35, since this one uses fiber optics to connect the airplane avionics together IIRC.

I mean like nothing is the same as in the Su-27 or the Su-35. Even the engines.
They may also be called Al-41. But there are a lot of engines with Al-41 name and they have next to nothing in common with each other.

One is the engine in MiG Project 1.44. The other is the Su-35 engine. Then there is Su-57 engine. They have nothing in common. Just look at basic specs.

Condescending much? How many aviation books have you published? I'd wager fewer than me, even if I've only written one

The AL-41F (1st of that name) was a large, advanced "clean sheet" design for supercruise similar to the XF120 that never made it anywhere near completion. Prototype engines had very short life, and productionising would have needed a lot of money that wasn't available.

The AL-41F (Su-35) is an improved AL-31F akin to the F100-PW-229.

The AL-41F (Su-57) is still just an improved AL-31F, with higher thrust, akin to the F100-PW-232. Its bypass ratio isn't optimal for supercruise, for example.

Izdeliye 30 is indeed a new design.

marcellogo wrote:

No, thanking God the Su-35 engine is nothing akin to the PW-229.
That's because the precedent (F-100-)PW-220 got a Bypass ratio: 0.71:1 while the PW-229 has a  bypass ratio of 0.36:1: it means that to get the required performance increase they have to drastically change the internal structure of the engine itself installing a way larger and heavy jet turbine inside without modify the outer part.
Result was that it is way heavier ((1,737 kg instead of 1,467 kg), so in the end its own trust/weight ratio increased only marginally (7,8:1 from 7,4:1) in front to a anything other than ideal bypass ratio.
AL-41F-1S has a larger outer diameter  compared to original model also, so it has not just a way greater thrust to weight ratio compared to it (actually also the Al-31F has a way better one than PW-229) but also a marginally larger bypass ratio leading to a better specific consumption.

The version on Su-57 has an even larger one, equal to the one of the second stage engine but compared to it is longe as it still got the same 4LP/9HP compressor stages of the one on the Su-35.
The engine core  of izdelje 30 would sport a way lover number of stages but they would be wider hence the necessity of a larger overall diameter.
And thank God, although being perfectly capable of get the Su-57 well into such flying regime it would NOT be optimized for supercruise in the sense the F-119 is: it will still remain a turbofan with an healthy bypass ratio, not a "leaky turbojet" in disguise like the one actually propelling the F-22A and incapable to be installed in anything else or even to operate efficiently in any other flying regime than that...

You are missing the point. The AL-41F is still just a progressively tweaked AL-31F sharing the same basic cycle, stages, etc. Izdeliye 30 is the first 'new' engine.

A low bypass ratio is essential for highest performance in air-to-air combat, especially supersonic, as well as supercruise. The equations for this are pretty clear and were explored during the FX (F-15) era. That's one reason AL-31F and RD-33 used lower bypass ratios than the F100, being more comparable to the F404 - this increases thrust to weight ratio at the expense of subsonic efficiency. A higher bypass ratio boosts subsonic cruise range. To go forward you need to look at variable bypass technologies to try to combine the best parts of each, which is where the three stream engine work in the US comes in.

secretprojects wrote:

thegopnik wrote:
I never knew about this until Jo Asakura(Japanese user with a strong support for Russia electronics) back at key aero and his constant arguments with Action Jackson. I started to see familiar key aero users like Trident, you and eventually haavarla and Dr.snufflebug joined recently, Ronny(mig-31bm at key aero, stealthflanker at india defense forum saying he is not the real stealthflanker of other forums like this one, etc) at secret projects. But I am starting to think the admin or moderators are pro-US gov agents with a bias which ruined my stay there. Because I bring up the internal kinzhal or a 100km hermes missile on a ka-52 and they immediately turn it down without a 2nd thought.

As the admin of Secret Projects I can assure you

1) I'm not a pro-US government agent (I'm British, and live in New Zealand)
2) Nor are any of the moderators (Russian, German, German, Spanish, French (retired)). I've known them all for between 14-17 years.

Assuming that people who disagree with you must have an ulterior motive is deficient thinking of the conspiracy mould. The most critical moderator of your posts was flateric who is Russian and works in the Russian aviation industry. His objections were that your sources for your news posts were Russian news agencies of the worst reputation for accuracy. Just like if you posted stories on the F-35 from The National Enquirer or the Daily Sport, there was some pushback.

Let's go on topic for a bit. I've been interested in Soviet / Russian aviation for 37 years. I've observed the Su-57 program from the start. It seems like a competent design aerodynamically, it's basically just one large lifting surface and is the logical development of the "integral" layout of the Su-27.

The interim engines are a weak point, but the phase 2 engines could change things around. the avionics suite looks interesting if overly complicated. I'm doubtful that Russia has spent enough in R&D to make something completely comparable to the F-22 and F-35, but I don't think that's the intention.

No way did you just create an account here just to tell me that, or are you actually planning on having an account here? Either way nice having you here rather if it will be short term or not but I still have good reasons to suspect you as such and I was already done seething  about it. Moderators or admins here can feel free to move this politcal board shit to another thread because I am about to speak my mind to the point it might escalate instead of keeping it brief here.

If I was to rate non-bias forums with non-bias moderators this forum and space battle forum(the war room) are on my top list to join. My account could have lasted way longer at space battle forum but arguements with Space X fans and other political shit threads got me banned because moderators and admins are majorly left wing supporters(like Quora) that arguing with them and other users will give you the,"arguing in bad faith" accusation with a temperary ban.

Criticism on you and your moderators: Example Papadragon was currently free to speak his mind on shitting on Roscosmos multiple times on this forum and AFAIK moderators and alot of users are pissed about it but they did not ban his account your forum on the otherhand for example: Dino(he has a bias even though I am cool with him) he was accused of other users on key aero for taking chinas military side too much. Got into an arguement with Pegasus in your forum regarding japanese or chinese aircrafts(if i remember correctly) than he got banned even though I dont see how Pegasus was being a troll or asshole like ultimatewarrior in this forum(which I am surprised he lasted this long here with other users in question) I would welcome him here since his user account is mig29smt at india defense forum he and stealthflanker(Ronny) over there. Also him being a moderator at sinodefense is no surprise either so at that point I am wondering why you have not listed any of your moderators having a chinese background. Flateric reminds me too much of Rubick(who is estonian) at spacebattleforum(basically an asshole by nature how I saw him treat other users there besides me) as you remind me too much of dangman4ever in that same forum. Also when I started to question your forum having any relation to F-16.net or keyaero I was technically under your radar when I brought up news sources of a internal hypersonic missile for the Su-57 or a 100km missile(october 2022 testing) for the ka-52 which you immediately claim as fake and when I further argue with you on this I get banned. When keyaero has undergone a transformation although the previous archive forum threads where accessible my photonic integrated radar thread got deleted and I saw a user called keystrokeaero(Gee I wonder who that is) browsing my radar thread at your forum. Besides these few examples(which I have way more) I dont see why https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=glownigger cannot be admins or moderators at forums because at eagle.ru someone speaking with Garrya has a blurred image ID that has shown he works at Lockheed Martin specializing in satellite shit and a image of his laptop browsing eagle.ru forum and a name like secretprojects might encourage people to spill classified info of military projects which I am very sure is your job to see where that said user posted such information. Military related topic forums attract military personnel which attracts possibility of information be spilled, therefore is like a honeypot for intelligence agencies to see.

I have criticism for the Su-57 as much as I do for the F-35 but...... https://qr.ae/pNwQUh If I posted something like this on F-16.net or your forum I would definetly get banned. Post this here I might get into an arguement with LMFS or probably GarryB. Post this at spacebattle I will get f-16.net level criticism but the admins and moderators will not give a shit since the ones monitoring the war room are more concerned with bad behavior therefore i can argue with 10-20 users until I drop dead. I might consider creating a new account at spacebattle(changing my IP or mac address) but I feel good chilling here, at quora, and some times india defense forum.