The Situation in the Ukraine. #30

thegopnik wrote:With consideration Turkey creating SIPER air defense and longer range air defenses and now Ukraine, I guess we can say Russia is thinking way ahead for creating the Su-70 with internal hypersonic air to ground missiles to target such air defense systems

https://naukatehnika.com/pervyij-prototip-ukrainskogo-zrk-bolshoj-dalnosti-kilchen-kb-yuzhnoe-obeshhaet-sdelat-za-3-goda.html

We are talking about the first prototype in the so-called "minimum configuration" of the air defense system from the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau. For all ROC to create a domestic anti-aircraft missile system, in the conditions of appropriate state funding, it takes about 5 years and about $ 270 million.   SE "Yuzhnoye Design Bureau" named after Yangel counts on state support in the creation of the Ukrainian long-range anti-aircraft missile system "Kilchen".   The corresponding decision can be made by the government in a few months, representatives of Yuzhnoye KB say in an interview with the media.     "Now the program of development of rocket and rocket weapons in Ukraine is being considered. This project is in this program – the creation of a long-range anti-aircraft missile system. We hope that in the next month or two this program will be adopted, and the project of the Kilchen anti-aircraft missile system will be launched, "said Alexander Kushnarev, General Director of Yuzhnoye Design Bureau.   Told the Dnieper designers and about the likely timing of the creation of this complex. According to preliminary estimates, more than 7 billion hryvnias (about $ 270 million) are needed to create the Kilchen missile defense system and its tests, and one complex will cost $ 150 million. "The government sets the task in such a way that we plan to carry out the development of the system in two stages.   The first stage will last three years, so that in 2024 we report on the readiness to conduct state tests, flight tests of the anti-aircraft missile system, I emphasize, not the system, "said Valery Perkov, head of the group of the project department of Yuzhnoye Design Bureau. Render of anti-aircraft missile "Kilchen" from KB "Yuzhnoye" "First of all, we plan to develop an anti-aircraft missile system in three years in the configuration minimum necessary for combat work.   The second stage will be devoted to the development of system solutions and building the potential of information and intelligence facilities of the complex, which were developed in the first stage. If we talk about the overall course of development work, we see it for 5 years," he added.     The composition of one air defense system "Kilchen", according to the developers, can include six launchers of air defense systems. In addition to them, for the full functioning of the system, six more special vehicles are needed (command center, various radars, etc.).   It was also noted that for the development of the first sample of the Kilchen complex and its tests, it takes 5 years and more than 7 billion hryvnias (at the current exchange rate it is about $ 268 million), and one complex will cost about $ 150 million. The composition of each air defense system "Kilchen" includes, in addition to the actual launchers with missiles, six more machines.   "The declared probability of hitting one aerodynamic target is 0.8, ballistic - 0.6. But at the same time, we say that each complex, I emphasize, is not a system, but each individual complex (the minimum number of launch - 3, that is, one batariya - ed.) can work offline.   Each complex is capable of simultaneously firing at 12 targets," said Valery Perkov. Launcher SAM "Kilchen" At the same time, the declared performance characteristics of the Kilchen air defense system are very ambitious - subsonic aerodynamic targets are detected at a distance of up to 400 km and can be destroyed at a distance of 280 km, supersonic fighters at a range of about 130 kilometers ballistic targets at a distance of up to 44 kilometers (the declared parameters correspond to the "maximum" capabilities of the system). Render of anti-aircraft missile "Kilchen" from KB "Yuzhnoye" On KB "Yuzhnoye" claim that they already have the necessary equipment for the manufacture of 400-mm hulls of anti-aircraft missiles "Kilchen", but the creation of the entire air defense system requires the joint work of many enterprises of the defense industry of Ukraine. One samS (out of 6 PU "Kilchen") according to the plan is enough to protect a large city, for example, the Dnieper with its suburbs. "The integration of the entire project is entrusted to Yuzhnoye Design Bureau. The rocket is the development of Yuzhnoye Design Bureau. Radars are manufactured by our partners in Ukraine - NPK "Iskra", Zaporozhye, "Kvant-radar", Kiev. Control system of the complex - YUZHNOYE Design Bureau together with other enterprises of Ukraine.     Production of the rocket - "Yuzhmash". Pavlograd Chemical Plant is involved in the equipment of the engine with solid fuel, the equipment of the warhead. Homing heads for the missile will be created by Yuzhnoye Design Bureau in cooperation with a number of enterprises in Kharkiv, Lviv and Kyiv," Said Alexander Kushnarev.   It should be noted that, in addition to statements on the creation of a long-range air defense system from the leaders of the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, the Luch Design Bureau also presented its proposals to the Ministry of Defense on the creation of a line of anti-aircraft missile systems, which already has specific results in the implementation of missile projects.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Why would they attack now?

They have had 5 years to do it. A failed offensive will decrease their prestige even further

medo wrote:I have some thoughs regarding this war in Donbass and I wonder, what other think about it. This new war, which Ukraine start, last now for two weeks. Before Ukrainian propaganda claim, that Ukrainian army will break LDNR in few days. After two weeks they achieve nothing. They didn't break through LDNR defense lines and LDNR inflict them losses, mostly with artillery. Considering situation in Ukraine, where there is no money, they sold their grain and have empty warehouses, have no fuel, gas, coal, electricity, closing factories, health system collapsing, etc, Ukrainian army start new war in front of winter. I think their time window to win the war is quite short and it will not last long. They have to win quickly in Donbass or they will loose the war. They already lost two weeks of war and LDNR defense is not yet fighting with full strenght. I don't think Ukraine could fight long winter war without proper food, fuel, medicines, ammo supplies... Hungry, ill and wounded soldiers with low moral would more likely surrender, than die in the front lines. I think Ukrainian army could face mass surrenderings if war last too long and LDNR will have big problem, where to place that many hungry and ill soldiers...

Ukrainian army now must attack with their full strenght, if they want to win quickly as they don't have enough time. I'm sure Ukrainian army leaders know that and I wonder if this is actually their full strenght? Was much of paraded power just a smoke screen and nothing behind? If this is it, that LDNR will not need to mobilize their reserves, standing army will be enough. There is a good chanse, that this war will be fatal for Ukraine.

Представители Киева в экономической подгруппе по Донбассу попросили рассмотреть вопрос поставок электроэнергии и угля из самопровозглашенных республик Донбасса на коммерческой основе. Об этом сообщила пресс-секретарь делегации ЛНР Мария Ковшарь, передает РИА Новости.

Она уточнила, что вопрос о покупке энергоресурсов был поднят накануне, 9 ноября.

5 ноября депутат от партии «Батькивщина» Иван Крулько рассказал о вставших тепловых электростанциях (ТЭС) в стране. По его словам, сейчас на Украине есть 88 действующих энергоблоков ТЭС, из них на сегодняшний день 37 функционируют, а 51 не работают. Депутат отметил, что большая часть из прекративших работу энергоблоков закрыты по так называемой аварийной заявке, то есть из-за недостатка топлива.

Representatives of Kiev in the economic subgroup for Donbass were asked to consider the issue of supplying electricity and coal from the self-proclaimed republics of Donbass on a commercial basis. This was announced by the press secretary of the LPR delegation Maria Kovshar, RIA Novosti reports.

She clarified that the question of buying energy resources was raised the day before, on November 9.

On November 5, the deputy from the Batkivshchyna party, Ivan Krulko, spoke about the installed thermal power plants (TPP) in the country. According to him, now in Ukraine there are 88 operating power units of thermal power plants, of which 37 are functioning today, and 51 are not working. The deputy noted that most of the power units that stopped operating were closed according to the so-called emergency application, that is, due to a lack of fuel.

franco wrote:My thoughts on this is to question  "Is this the best the Ukrainian forces can give if this was a desperate move to capture the coal mines?"

VARGR198 wrote:Meanwhile in #Kiev, #Ukraine:  Patona Bridge in the center of Ukrainian capital is crumbling due to chronic underinvestment in infrastructure, but there will always be enough money for war in #Donbass.

medo wrote:

Olesa Medvedeva from Ukraine about Ukrainian army...

VARGR198 wrote:

medo wrote:

Olesa Medvedeva from Ukraine about Ukrainian army...

Don't speak Russian so using auto translate captions.
From what I've gathered it says
Ukraine gov preparing for military solution to Donbass conflict
Critical lack of soldiers in all/most divisions,
officers act bestial to soldiers,
faulty APCs with lack of spare parts,
many units exist only on paper,
soldiers hate officers and vice versa,
motivation of contract soldiers low,
contract soldiers from last couple of years are in it solely for money and attempt to avoid officers,
officers do not know what contract soldiers are doing,
soldiers sneak away at night to drink,
problems with fights (amongst soldiers),
military equipment gets lost, or deteriates, or is sold to civilians cheap,
contract soldiers attempt to stay away from demarcation line,
volunteer soldiers who faught in 2014-16 all largely gone.

VARGR198 wrote:Ukraine calls for urgent help from Slovakia over power outage. The cause of action was the emergency shutdown of two units of the Burshtyn thermal power plant, western Ukraine..