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    Post  nero Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:13 pm

    Today the Ukrainian defense minister Andriy Taran suddenly resigned. No reasons were given.

    • https://112.international/politics/ukraines-defenise-minister-andriy-taran-files-letter-of-dismissal-66431.html

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    Post  franco Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:33 pm

    nero wrote:Today the Ukrainian defense minister Andriy Taran suddenly resigned. No reasons were given.


    • https://112.international/politics/ukraines-defenise-minister-andriy-taran-files-letter-of-dismissal-66431.html


    And read over the last couple of days that the Right Sector leader was named as a special advisor to the Ukrainian Armed Forces Commander (cannot locate link at the moment)
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:04 pm

    Saw that either.
    They might be surprised by what hit them back ...
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    Post  nero Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:23 pm

    ALAMO wrote:They might be surprised by what hit them back ...

    What mysterous 'hits' are you talking about?
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:31 pm

    Everything, starting from oil&coal embargo, ending up with "mystery kamikaze drones from nowhere".
    The first two are already running ...
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    Post  medo Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:34 pm

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    DNR artillery strike Ukrainian army unit, which want to take vilage Granitnovo on south and force them to retreat. DNR guide artillery strike with their drone.

    https://vk.com/novnews?w=wall-50332460_2121088

    At Lozovoe vilage DNR air defense with Triton-M1 ECM jammed and crash ukrainian drone, which guided artilery fire, after which it stoped.

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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:07 pm



    Lukashenko is acting the ass and rushing to save Banderastan. He agreed to supply emergency power to Ukria even though
    the Kiev regime has branded him as a totalitarian who needs to be deposed.

    People bitch at Russia from not invading Ukria. Russia's policy is perfectly fine. It is clowns like Lukashenko that keep the
    regime in Kiev alive.

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:15 pm

    Luka is hoping this gesture will give him love from Ukrainians.

    It won't.

    Ukraine was part of the coup attempt too.  No one said the guy is smart.

    Plus, he may be given a fat cheque for the electricity. Who knows.

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    Post  franco Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:22 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Luka is hoping this gesture will give him love from Ukrainians.

    It won't.

    Ukraine was part of the coup attempt too.  No one said the guy is smart.

    Plus, he may be given a fat cheque for the electricity. Who knows.

    Luka knows which side of his bread is buttered... probably a game of good cop / bad cop with a fat cheque as a bonus.

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    Post  par far Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:52 pm

    franco wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Luka is hoping this gesture will give him love from Ukrainians.

    It won't.

    Ukraine was part of the coup attempt too.  No one said the guy is smart.

    Plus, he may be given a fat cheque for the electricity. Who knows.

    Luka knows which side of his bread is buttered... probably a game of good cop / bad cop with a fat cheque as a bonus.


    If he wanted a fat cheque bonus, he would have sold his country to the west.

    This was done likely with the green light from Moscow(just my opinion). I don't think Moscow wants Ukraine to collapse fully(again my opinion.)

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:12 am

    Well, the existence of Ukraine in its miserable shape is something very delicious from the Moscow perspective Laughing
    It is living proof of what would happen to Belarus if cut of from the Russian resources&market.
    Worth keeping!

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    Post  GarryB Thu Nov 04, 2021 9:51 am

    It can also be held up as a shining example of how much the west cares for the people of the Ukraine... their country is falling to pieces around them and the US and EU acts like Kievs biggest problem is keeping Russian gas flowing through Ukrainian pipes.

    The west didn't come to help Ukraine, they robbed them of everything of worth and destroyed anything to rival their own companies and industry and are happy just to use Ukraine as a stick to prod the bear... and even want to keep China from investing in the Ukraine too, because it is EUs and HATOs puppet and not to be shared or saved by anyone else...

    Russia would not benefit from a Ukrainian collapse, so I suspect Luka has been given the green light for this because Russia knows they wont accept help from Moscow.

    Russias terrible crime in all this is not wanting to see a neighbouring country suffer and decline to anarchy... who wants that on their border?

    Except in the west they want the rest of the world to be in anarchy and to be suffering... it is much easier to pick the bones of a corpse... cornered injured animals can be dangerous.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:21 am

    Russia stopping the coal and Luka supplying power at least ensures that a part of the gas transit money continues to go east not west.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Nov 04, 2021 1:58 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Russia stopping the coal and Luka supplying power at least ensures that a part of the gas transit money continues to go east not west.

    100%.
    Another way they would be forced to pump the electricity either from Pribaltica via the Belarussian grid, or via Poland.
    In both scenarios, $ would end up in the western pockets.
    The funny part is, that a high-voltage connection between Poland and Khmelnitsky is turned off at the moment, but after the maidan, there used to be quite loud statements that it will be restored, and the power from Khmelnitsky NPP will be directed to Poland and Hungary.
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    Post  medo Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:11 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Russia stopping the coal and Luka supplying power at least ensures that a part of the gas transit money continues to go east not west.

    100%.
    Another way they would be forced to pump the electricity either from Pribaltica via the Belarussian grid, or via Poland.
    In both scenarios, $ would end up in the western pockets.
    The funny part is, that a high-voltage connection between Poland and Khmelnitsky is turned off at  the moment, but after the maidan, there used to be quite loud statements that it will be restored, and the power from Khmelnitsky NPP will be directed to Poland and Hungary.

    Pribaltic? Pribaltic depend for electricity from Russia and Belarus. They could not send any to Ukraine. Lithuania is buying electricity from Belarus NPP. Poland is with empty Yamal gas pipeline in hard position and they would more like to send any surplus to Germany than to Ukraine as Germany pay better.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:16 am

    Yes, but they have a connection with the other European system, and this would be the only direction where they can buy electricity declaring it to be "not Russian".
    Or "not Belarussian", because Belarus is even more on the dark side at the moment Laughing
    And transfer it to Ukraine via post-Soviet infrastructure they were using for 30 years of "sovereignty".
    The whole project is made within Baltic Ring infrastructure, they have started it in 2018.
    So they are connected to the system. Not sure if it is in operation yet, as it still was not in Spring 2021.
    But the grid is already existed and lacked some auxiliary equipment only.
    I suppose it is operational or close to being operational by now.
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:39 am

    Russia did not cut coal supplies to the Ukraine, it imposed a quota for them, as the lion's share of its coal right now is being sold to the highest bidders in Asia and Europe, and it needs to save enough of several grades of coal for itself over the winter. One of the types of the coal that Russia has decided to accumulate is one that Ukraine is short on, hence the situation.

    There was also speculation that this move is related to the Ukraine trying to make the Donbass front more exciting with their Bayraktyr drones but I rather think the DNR can respond symmetrically to that one, with some guided artillery shells.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:17 am

    flamming_python wrote:Russia did not cut coal supplies to the Ukraine, it imposed a quota for them, as the lion's share of its coal right now is being sold to the highest bidders in Asia and Europe, and it needs to save enough of several grades of coal for itself over the winter. One of the types of the coal that Russia has decided to accumulate is one that Ukraine is short on, hence the situation.

    In this situation the Donbas coal mines must be doing pretty well?
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    Post  littlerabbit Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:46 pm



    Interesting video, guys who know russian well could explain us what are they talking about. Wink


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    Post  ALAMO Sun Nov 07, 2021 4:40 pm

    Nothing interesting really.
    They just confirmed that all the gunners run away after the strike.
    I said that already when the film was revealed the first time.
    And they speak surzyk, not Russian.

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    Post  VARGR198 Mon Nov 08, 2021 1:22 am

    Disaster is near.. "Ukrainian thermal power plants are running out of coal. Is there a difficult winter ahead" writes the ukrainian version of Obozrevatel..

    "Today in the warehouses of thermal power plants of Ukraine there are 530 thousand tons of coal. This is 230 thousand tons less than the required minimum. And 2 million tons below planned reserves.."
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    Post  GarryB Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:15 am

    I am sure the west can help them out, but if they can't they could always try to out bid Asia for the coal going that way...
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:15 am

    VARGR198 wrote:Disaster is near.. "Ukrainian thermal power plants are running out of coal. Is there a difficult winter ahead" writes the ukrainian version of Obozrevatel..

    "Today in the warehouses of thermal power plants of Ukraine there are 530 thousand tons of coal. This is 230 thousand tons less than the required minimum. And 2 million tons below planned reserves.."

    This gap is probably impossible to resolve, even if Ukraine would open a magic box with cash they don't have.
    They lack the desired amount of wagons to carry out the operation, even if started today.
    The railway is not made out of rubber, increasing the capacity to the requested level would require cash and time - two things they lack.
    They will freeze, that is the only logical conclusion.

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    Post  medo Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:03 pm

    https://topwar.ru/188857-ukrainskie-voennye-obvinili-nm-ldnr-v-primenenii-bespilotnikov-sbrosivshih-vog-17.html

    Украинские военные, которые сами несколько дней назад использовали для нанесения удара по ДНР беспилотный летательный аппарат, сегодня решили выставить себя в качестве жертв действий НМ ЛДНР. В пресс-штабе так называемой Операции объединённых сил (ООС) заявлено о якобы применении войсками ЛДНР беспилотников.

    Пресс-служба ООС публикует релиз, в котором утверждается, будто бы народная милиция республик (в украинской терминологии «российско-оккупационные войска») применила БПЛА, «пересекавшие линию разграничения».

    Из сообщения украинской стороны:

    “Противник применил БПЛА, которые осуществили сброс ВОГ-17 (гранатомётные боеприпасы 30х29 мм - прим.«ВО»). Было зафиксировано пересечение беспилотником линии разграничения. В результате этих действий один военнослужащий получил ранение, несовместимое с жизнью. Также ещё двое военнослужащих ВСУ ранены.

    При этом добавляется, что с позиций ВСУ в тот момент вёлся артиллерийский и миномётный огонь, названный «ответным». Хотя о ведении этого огня сама же украинская сторона объявила как минимум за час до того, как появились заявления о якобы применении НМ ЛДНР беспилотников.

    The Ukrainian military, who themselves a few days ago used an unmanned aerial vehicle to strike the DPR, today decided to present themselves as victims of the actions of the NM LPR. The press headquarters of the so-called Joint Forces Operation (JF) announced the alleged use of drones by the LPNR troops.

    The OOS press service publishes a release claiming that the people's militia of the republics (in Ukrainian terminology “Russian-occupation troops”) used UAVs that “crossed the line of contact”.

    From the message of the Ukrainian side:

    “The enemy used UAVs, which dropped VOG-17 (30x29 mm grenade launcher ammunition - approx. VO). The drone was recorded crossing the demarcation line. As a result of these actions, one soldier was injured incompatible with life. Also, two more servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were wounded.

    At the same time, it is added that from the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at that moment artillery and mortar fire, called "return", was fired. Although, the Ukrainian side itself announced the conduct of this fire at least an hour before there were statements about the alleged use of NM LDNR drones.

    Ukrainian army is screaming, after LDNR army use armed drones to bomb Ukrainian mortars. 1 dead, 2 wounded.

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