The Situation in the Ukraine. #30

Actually their harpoons could be nasty. They would be targeted by aviation before they could go out of the port.

Electricity supplies to Ukraine will be suspended starting November 18 - Ministry of Energy of Belarus

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Isos wrote:Actually their harpoons could be nasty. They would be targeted by aviation before they could go out of the port.

That is true, they can be nasty. But once again, I imagine submarines would be first to strike because they wont be seen before hitting. Or they may hit with airforce or even just launching a missile. The Russians have the range advantage.

miketheterrible wrote:

Isos wrote:Actually their harpoons could be nasty. They would be targeted by aviation before they could go out of the port.

That is true, they can be nasty.  But once again, I imagine submarines would be first to strike because they wont be seen before hitting.  Or they may hit with airforce or even just launching a missile.  The Russians have the range advantage.

The UK's Harpoons are obsolete and are being taken out of UK service. Mind you that might suit Ukraine, they are used to hand me down crap, they no doubt have the skills to refurbish gear.

Crazy move by the UK but no doubt plays well with the Master in Washington.

Some british and banderite politicians get theirs bribes, the regime in Kiev moves deeper into debt... Win/win for the western values (= $/€)

Open access into Russia for Donbas coal, which will really piss Kiev off.

Even if Russia does not want that coal they can send it by rail to China who do want coal, so even if Russia does not directly buy it they can use the Russian rail network to send it to China and make good money.

well, they may get their wish soon if Ukraine does try to roll in, the Russians may push their shit in.

If the freedom fighters don't defeat them first.

Ukraine tells EU leaders: Prepare for war with Russia

And EU leaders will tell the Ukraine if you are stupid enough to start a war with Russia then you are on your own...

Sounds good however last that I heard, the CIA occupied one floor

That is their problem isn't it?

NEW: Britain & Ukraine have finalised a treaty that will enable to seek loans from to buy British warships & missiles at a time of heightened tensions with Russia.
On Ukraine's shopping list are 2 minehunters, 8 missile ships, a frigate + weapons

Hilarious but the UK should be cautious.... they will likely quickly run up a huge debt and find they can't pay it back and where did the money go?

Actually their harpoons could be nasty. They would be targeted by aviation before they could go out of the port.

Such vessels would justify taking the fleet seriously and sinking it at the first opportunity... a bit self defeating really.

To insult Putin or insult Russians?

Ukrainians are stupid. But damn, Russia are Russians. Russia does not equal Putin. Holy shit.

Breaking Reports coming in now of 2 huge explosions coming from the centre of Donetsk. #Donbass

It's high time DNR/LNR obtain modified S-75's to be used as tactical missiles to hit Ukrainian positions. Much like what Yemen does.

VARGR198 wrote:Breaking Reports coming in now of 2 huge explosions coming from the centre of Donetsk. #Donbass

Kiev is playing a stupid game and it will imminently get rewarded with a very, very stupid prize if it doesn't cease right now

franco wrote:

VARGR198 wrote:

Thus the reason for the release of the correspondence with the French and German Foreign Ministers showing their refusal to pressure Ukraine to follow Minsk protocol.  

That actually came before Moscow said no to talks.

franco wrote:Believe the actions are connected. 2021 has been interesting in that both China and Russia have reached a point where they really don't care what the Western Alliance wants, says or thinks. Iran has adopted a similar response along with an increasing number of "third world" countries.

Well, since Russia and China are capable of telling the west to go take a hike, it is beneficial for smaller states, since they got someone else to work with then.

Iran had no choice and I give them credit for standing their ground for so long.

The only bad thing Iran did was the reaction after the treaty was signed and western countries "lifted" some of the sanctions (for an hour or so). Instead of making deals with Russia and China they went to their oppressors.

PapaDragon wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:(..............)

In Serbia we call it a win-win situation

That is a big change from how things were between these two back in early 2007:

https://asaland.proboards.com/thread/214/bosnia-trained-terrorists-enter-ukraine

The only bad thing Iran did was the reaction after the treaty was signed and western countries "lifted" some of the sanctions (for an hour or so). Instead of making deals with Russia and China they went to their oppressors.

Yeah, I would not underestimate the west... their lifting of sanctions and unfreezing of funds probably had some hidden restrictions... like you can only spend your money in our store...

A bit more on the UK naval deal

Tensions on the rise in the Black Sea. London recently announced that it will be selling warships to Ukraine. The vessels would be allocated in the Black Sea region. The possible deal belies a previous announcement by the British government that it would not sell arms to Ukraine and increases regional frictions between Ukraine, NATO, and Russia. The presence of modern and equipped Western ships in that area will generate a new escalation of instability, unnecessarily undermining international peace.

In a statement this week, UK Defense Secretary Ben Wallace gave a positive signal for heavy weapons sales to Ukraine. The equipment to be traded would be focused on modern warships with high destruction power. The aim is to significantly increase Ukrainian naval power amid a regional context of tensions in the Black Sea. To that end, the British secretary also said that Kiev could pay for the ships using the amount received from the loan taken by the Ukrainian government as part of a trade agreement signed between the two countries in early November. As there is a mutual geostrategic interest in this deal – given the UK’s ambitions to weaken Russian presence in Eastern Europe – there appears to be little concern on the part of the British over how the debt generated by this deal will be paid off.

According to the data released so far, the sale includes the negotiation of two mine countermeasure ships and the joint production of eight warships with missiles, as well as a new frigate. Possible aid from London to Kiev for the construction of a naval infrastructure platform, with the modernization of the weapons systems of current Ukrainian ships, is also being negotiated.

Both Ben Wallace and his Ukrainian counterpart Oleksii Reznikov, commenting on the case, emphasized the fact that the agreement is aimed against Russia, which makes the project a real open affront to the stability of Russia-Ukraine and Russia-West relations. However, in a joint statement, they both tried to be delicate in their words and said the aim was not to make the UK and Ukraine adversary to Russia, but that the move comes amid concerns about Russia’s presence in the border region: “Our governments have no desire to be adversarial, or seek in any way to strategically encircle or undermine the Russian Federation (…) We are concerned by Russia’s military build-up and activity around the borders of Ukraine”.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/uk-announces-deal-sell-warships-kiev-raising-tensions-black-sea/5762135

No way to polish that turd... the UK smell blood in the water and clearly want a debt slave on the Russian border...

Much of the naval equipment, weapons and systems on Ukrainian ships is now made in Russia or ex soviet states that want real money to pay for it, so an easy out for them is to try to replace a lot of systems with British or western stuff... but how could they pay for it?

Ohh, you are offering a loan.... that will do... let the government sort that out in 10 years time when we don't meet the payments...

Russia of course will object to this but in practical terms it just means more funding and focus on the Black Sea fleet and all the weapons they had before were already sufficient to deal with any system or ship or sub they could afford let alone afford to operate.