The Situation in the Ukraine. #30

kvs wrote:@LMFS

We have different types of anti-Russian projection.   The clowns who are just NATzO fanbois and their drivel and the other evident type
that wants Russia to fail but presents this as criticism of Russia's failings.    There is no evidence of Putin walking into any NATzO traps.
He didn't in 2014 and he is not going to now.   NATzO losers want very badly for Putin to take the bait, but wishing is not getting.  

Anyone who claims that Russia did not see the 2014 coup coming is full of it.   Russia cannot fix the broken brains of people who drank
the west is best koolaid before 1990 and were riven with Nazis based in Canada, USA and other foreign states with generous financing
to spread their tendrils inside Ukraine since 1945.   I have see this activity with my own eyes and my Ukr relatives drink the koolaid
and allow themselves to be led around by the nose.    Ukria has a whole fake academic network that has completely taken over the
intellectual space.   These fakes write revisionist history and seamlessly filled the void after the collapse of communism.   Blood libel
such as "Russians in the Donbass are criminal squatters who took over Ukr land thanks to the Holodomor" is the sort of excrement that
Ukrs live on.   Somehow the known fact that the Donbass was attached to the Ukrainian SSR during its creation after 1917 has been
forgotten.   The ethnic Russians in the Donbass can point to the generations of their ancestors in local graveyards.   I guess these must
have been hoaxed up after the 1930s.   Totally sick and demented svidomite (woke) degeneracy.

True, there is the NATO camp and their different variants and then there is this falsely "pro-Russian" criticism of Putin's government by the nostalgics of communism, in the form of "intellectual" analysis, sorrow for the lost opportunities and a transparent intention to convey that a "real" statesman of the Soviet Union would have done much better. I am already tired of reading the same fake lamentations by people which are actually rooting for the defeat of Russia, in order to be proven right. They have been predicting "Putin's regime" collapse for decades now and have failed miserably, so their bitterness has reached serious levels, incompatible with objectivity. As we discussed before, "theories of the totality" are theology by other name and normally they are outright useless when confronted with reality, but after spending the whole life learning everything Lenin did and say these people have little interest in abandoning theoretical marxism, so they keep insisting in their error. Worse for them, but that is their call

@ATLASCUB

The West has invested enormous amounts of resources in ways that have brought them no so far ahead, in fact they have produced little return and reduced their margin to manouver, damaging their allies and threatening the very foundations of their international standing, for no decisive advantage. They created non critical difficulties for Russia (which were actually used to increase the country's self reliance) and have not managed to stop their development. So the West is logically inching each time closer to war, because all other strategies have failed. And even in war, Russia has progressively more and more possibilities, the last one being the ability to strike directly back at the "decision makers" in case they go too far, without needing to use strategic weapons. Soon there will be almost nothing the West can do, be it via nuclear, conventional or other types of warfare. So it is a clear case of strategic success of Russia, which has improved their standing while the West has dilapidated a lot of resources and undermined their position for the future.

As for Detente..... it's a slippery rope of assumptions. I'm not a fan of it for a rising power like Russia that has more to earn with the U.S completely out of the picture as a collapsed empire (the sooner the better) than with the rise of China as the undisputed #1 as an oversized consequence of Russia's efforts.

This sounds a bit like the world domination plans of Life of Brian's militants... An empire does not collapse because some minor actor decides it, it is because it rots from the inside. And of course Russia cannot avoid the economic rise of China or is even interested in preventing it, since it will be in its direction that they expect to channel the resources they currently sell to Europe. Russia's pragmatic approach is based on a very sober, non ideological assessment of their possibilities and a careful planing to avoid overstretching them, this is what has allowed the continued development of the resource base of the country. They avoided confrontation as much as possible and dedicated their resources to their own growth.

So the counter against Detente: The more tangled the U.S is everywhere in the word, defending its interest and client regimes the more exhausted it will become as its resources are split in all different directions to stop the incoming tide against it.... the faster it will deteriorate and collapse which means the faster Russia will be free of an oversized U.S.A hostile to its interest everywhere in the world. Detente is merely the deceit of a feigning truce.

Russia has moved to defend its interests in an increasingly vigorous way, as its possibilities have increased (see Syria, Georgia, Crimea, dealings with South American and African nations etc.). But while US has a global resource base and vassal states that they can mobilize against Russia, the later has only her own, scarce resources. So it cannot escalate hostilities, since it will deplete itself way faster than its enemy, and needs to exert restrain and only act where the victory is certain and strategic benefits will be obtained. They are not equals to the US and they don't try to act as if they were

The obvious problem is China, who likes to keep their hands clean and let others get their hands dirty while furthering their interest indirectly. So Russia must balance this dance, instead of working for free for the CCP in Beijing.

As said China's rise is beyond Russia's control. But they are managing to leverage their military potential to become the third cornerstone of the multipolar world, despite having a way smaller economy.

In general, all these topics are very basic and known to perfection by the Russian leadership. You can always say they could have done better, but there is simply no evidence they are not playing by the book and being perfectly aware of what they do. On the contrary, they are wining with a weak hand while the West is increasingly desperate, so I don't really see a clear reason for criticism.

ATLASCUB wrote:

QED