The Situation in the Ukraine. #30

The invasion is clearly imminent. Next week IMO they will start air operarion and cleaning the front.

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Breaking: Just as Joe Biden calls Ukrainian President Zelensky, Vladimir Putin has said that "what is happening in Donbas...is very reminiscent of genocide"

kvs wrote:I can see the Ukrs loading a ship with explosives and sending it towards the Kerch strait bridge.   This is the sort of terror act
that would prompt Russia to get involved.   But it still would not require any invasion.   Russia would just bomb/missile key targets
in Ukria.   But the clowns in Kiev may think that even such in and out punitive action will galvanize the Ukrs and keep it in power
for a few more years.   This is their go-to trick over the last seven years.  

Even a remote Russian response would send NATzO into a frenzy and it would be treated like an invasion.   "How dare they".

You talk as if Russia cares what nato thinks, or for that matter, what Ukraine thinks.

It's rather obvious Russia doesn't care and will do what it must to protect itself and their borders.  This is just another failed to be endeavor. No mater what Russia will do, NATO will cry and bark about how evil they are. The best they can do to confront Russia is in Hollywood with their James Bond movies. Reality, Russia would just strike back whoever would be stupid to attack them directly on their soil.

Funny fact : this whole "command ship" is a fishing travler

the clown was never going to attack Donetsk. Just more political theater out of the circus in DC.

Clown by profession, but as a politician I really don't think he is being a good court jester to Washington, which is what he needs to be to get their support... and who better to be a jester than a clown, but I think Poroshenko was a better Jester.

Why should Russia invade Ukraine? Did something change in Ukraine???

The only reason is because the western media said so, just like the western media said they interfered in US elections....

Russians and Ukrainians are ONE! There is a slight difference in langauge, but to be true some asians from Far Siberia are definite less "russian" than Ukrainians and part of RF. There are good people...honest, smart and warmhearted on the other side like all slavs very naive.

I appreciate you see a war as potentially a good thing... Russia going in there and killing the nazis in charge and freeing the rest of the Ukrainians to be Russian again, but I think you are dreaming... Russia has nothing to fight for there... most of the people who are not rebels are already lost... the best thing that could happen is nothing... and when Zelenskys term ends a new election and someone prepared to commit political suicide and drop the law about banning the Russian language and a few other laws and having talks with these groups to end this bullshit.

Imagine if the Canada decided to ban English and you could only be Canadian if you spoke French and there were fines for speaking English in public or government buildings... of course some people will rebel... but they wont demand to become British Citizens... they would want US citizenship because that would force the country right next door to do something to defend them. They will be Canadians still... they wont want to move to the US or for the US to move troops into where they are, but they will want the fucked up government in Canada that passed that kookie law tried and executed.

These Ukrainians don't want to be Russian but they do want the protection of Russian citizenship...

Washington decides if it will be war in Ukraine

Except they don't want war in the Ukraine... they saw what happened in Georgia against HATO trained Georgian troops, and they saw how Russian troops behave in the Crimea and Syria and they know the troops of the Ukraine will mostly run away and leave any US equipment lying on the battlefield.... like the Humvees the Russians captured in Georgia...

The only risk of war would be if Zelensky does something stupid... which is not impossible but very unlikely... and even then would his army obey?

Funny fact : this whole "command ship" is a fishing travler

OMG.... you mean they have sent the entire Ukrainian fleet?

Gee.
Seems I saw the wrong pic, and mislead you Sorry!
An article I read about portraited a U-510. That one is based on a fishing travler :-)
As they are changing the ship's names for political reasons, I was not sure about the Donbas.
And the U-510 was a subject of negotiations about returning it, so I was not sure about it's status either.
Now I have checked that more carefully, and it is project 304. Ex repair ship build in Poland for the Soviet Navy, that they transformed to "command ship".

Seems like nuclear threats is the trend of Ukrainian and Western politicians these days.

Do they want to be nuked that much ?

https://www.rt.com/russia/542792-kiev-needs-nuclear-arsenal/

Ukraine needs nuclear arsenal to defeat Russia – former security service chief

Kiev needs a strong nuclear arsenal to be victorious in a war against Russia, the former head of Ukraine’s security service has insisted, as tensions rise between the two nations over concerns Moscow could attack its neighbor.

Speaking on the Ukraine 24 TV channel’s ‘Red Lines’ program on Wednesday, Igor Smeshko criticized what he sees as a lack of help from the country’s supposed Western friends in providing protection against purported aggression from Russian forces.

“If we had the third [largest] atomic arsenal, tactical nuclear weapons, an army of more than a million-strong and strategic aviation, we could have done without the West in our defense capabilities,” he claimed.

higurashihougi wrote:
“If we had the third [largest] atomic arsenal, tactical nuclear weapons, an army of more than a million-strong and strategic aviation, we could have done without the West in our defense capabilities,” he claimed.

If they were Russia in other words.

But they're not

And the nuclear arsenal they gave up because both the US and Russia told them to do so, and they didn't desire to keep it anyway as it costs too much. The strategic aviation they could not possibly maintain either, nor the million-man army.

All this stuff was sold and corrupted away, just as the rest of the country and its industries were, and by the same people who took this disasterous trajectory into Atlantic integration. They decided they didn't need any high-tech industries, or any 'Soviet legacy' economy, or whatever. Truth be told even if they did decide they needed it, I still don't see how they would have held onto it up until now without continuing maximum economic integration with Russia.

There wouldn't have even been a war, if it weren't for the Ukrainian elites spinning up nationalism on the carcass of a dysfunctional country.

So just what on Earth is this guy complaining about? He represents the same people that took all these decisions, and these outcomes were all inevitable.

flamming_python wrote:So just what on Earth is this guy complaining about? He represents the same people that took all these decisions, and these outcomes were all inevitable.

In the article he actually complained about "what he sees as a lack of help from the country’s supposed Western friends in providing protection against purported aggression from Russian forces".  

higurashihougi wrote:

flamming_python wrote:So just what on Earth is this guy complaining about? He represents the same people that took all these decisions, and these outcomes were all inevitable.

In the article he actually complained about "what he sees as a lack of help from the country’s supposed Western friends in providing protection against purported aggression from Russian forces".  

And what did he and his fellow cabal of geniuses think was going to happen there? This former head of Ukraine's security services?
A 5 year old could have told him that NATO is not going to war with Russia over the Ukraine.

I'll tell you what he thought. He thought that Western sanctions would indeed make Russia collapse, or come crawling back to Washington for peace terms

When that didn't work, there was no plan B. And now he's reduced to just spouting nonsense and indirectly admonishing the failures of his own club of elites

flamming_python wrote:But they're not

And the nuclear arsenal they gave up because both the US and Russia told them to do so, and they didn't desire to keep it anyway as it costs too much. The strategic aviation they could not possibly maintain either, nor the million-man army....

They never had those nukes, they were just stored in the Ukraine at the time, codes were in Moscow and and the Ukrainians didn't have any access to warheads

They tried to make a play for them hoping to extort some money



It's like saying that Turkey owns US nukes located there

higurashihougi wrote:Seems like nuclear threats is the trend of Ukrainian and Western politicians these days.

Do they want to be nuked that much ?

https://www.rt.com/russia/542792-kiev-needs-nuclear-arsenal/

Ukraine needs nuclear arsenal to defeat Russia – former security service chief....

I say they should go for it

Money can´t be the problem for such a well organised uber-democratic country like "Ukraine".

The US military took the Ukrainian army 40 minutes in a battle with the Russian Armed Forces

In the event of a direct armed conflict between Moscow and Kiev, the Russian army will defeat a significant part of the troops of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in a very short period of time. This was stated by Robert Lee, professor of the elite King's College London, a veteran of the US Marine Corps, writes the American newspaper The New York Times.

The retired Marine calculated that Ukrainian troops would hold out in combat against their well-equipped Russian counterparts for less than one hour. The Russians can destroy Ukrainian troops very quickly, within the first 30-40 minutes - the professor is convinced.

The publication noted that some prominent Ukrainian functionaries agree with this opinion. For example, the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, Brigadier General Kirill Budanov. He said that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are ready to fight the "aggressor", but to contain a full-scale "invasion", Kiev needs more weapons, which it hopes to receive from the West in the form of support.

However, even support does not guarantee anything, since the Russians have colossal firepower and the ability to destroy the military infrastructure of the Armed Forces of Ukraine over long distances. This can lead to the loss of Ukraine's defense capability, since the Armed Forces of Ukraine will lose controllability. Communication, supply and coordination will cease to work.

The commanders of large formations and the commanders of individual units will have to conduct hostilities at their own discretion. However, stocks of ammunition will quickly run out and a widespread retreat will begin. Therefore, Ukraine will be able to effectively resist Russia only with direct military assistance from the armies of NATO countries and allies of the bloc, when they are on Ukrainian territory.

https://topcor-ru.translate.goog/23096-voennyj-ssha-otvel-ukrainskoj-armii-40-minut-v-boju-s-rossijskimi-vs.html?utm_source=warfiles.ru&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US

Nord Stream 2 cannot be certified – Berlin

https://www.rt.com/russia/542998-nord-stream-germany-certification/

Baerbock, a Green politician who assumed her role in the Foreign Ministry this week, discussed the fate of the multinational project in an interview with the broadcaster ZDF on Sunday. She insisted it still hadn’t met all that was required for it to be certified.

“As things stand at the moment, this pipeline cannot be approved because it does not meet the requirements of European energy law, and the safety issues are still on the table,” she said.
Read more
Poland to ask Germany’s new leader for help in stopping Nord Stream 2 Poland to ask Germany’s new leader for help in stopping Nord Stream 2

The Greens have openly opposed the pipeline and, during the recent election campaign, called for a halt to its construction. Their coalition partners from the social-democratic SPD have been more reserved in expressing their opinion of the project.

Apart from the certification hurdles, the fate of the pipeline is directly linked to politics, Germany’s new SPD Chancellor Olaf Scholz has signaled, reiterating Berlin’s commitment to preserving the current transit of gas through Ukraine, for which Ukraine is remunerated by Russia.

“We continue to feel responsible for ensuring that Ukraine’s gas transit business remains successful. The same goes for future opportunities,” Scholz said during a joint press conference with Polish PM Mateusz Morawiecki earlier in the day.

Looking forward to that fast tracking of negotiations between Gazprom and the Ukies on a transit deal extension.. soon. Unless, of course, Putin grows hair again on his balding balls. We shall see.

Berlin tying this to a Ukraine transit extension as a conditional deal with the U.S for NS2 "approval" is going to either end up badly, or with the intended effect: a Russian bend over. Putin decides, again.

ATLASCUB wrote:Nord Stream 2 cannot be certified – Berlin

Looking forward to that fast tracking of negotiations between Gazprom and the Ukies on a transit deal extension.. soon. Unless, of course, Putin grows hair again on his balding balls. We shall see.

Berlin tying this to a Ukraine transit extension as a conditional deal with the U.S for NS2 "approval" is going to either end up badly, or with the intended effect: a Russian bend over. Putin decides, again.

What a surprise, the CIA bimbo doing her dirty job and the chancellor stating good will generalities without committing to anything. Another "surprise" is to see you jump the train of your pal Karl which has voiced the same prediction and has been already proven full of shit on a number of occasions just in the last few weeks. He will be surely welcoming you in the crow eating club.

Again, for the slow ones in the pack:
1) Russia has nothing per se against Ukraine being a transit country, the more redundancy for the supply, the better. So if the terms are ok, why not extending past 2024? But why to fast track anything now? Because Putin is an idiot and a marionette of the oligarchs, or because of some idea that makes actual sense and is not you regurgitating for the umpteenth time tired commie talking points?
2) Allow me to remind you that Europe freezing their assess and their companies losing some billions over NS2 while Gazprom makes record revenues is not exactly an existential threat to Russia... is it that hard to understand, or is Western stupidity contagious?

I hope someone told Olaf that you can't have manufacturing based economy without access to energy

Same manufacturing based economy which is foundation of modern German statehood

And energy that their main competitor is getting in massive amounts and which Russia is selling them for cold hard cash

Just putting it out there, no pressure...

If Germany doesn't want to buy gas from Russia, then Russia can't force them

Just the same as if Russia doesn't want to sell gas through the Ukraine, then no-one can force them either

I don't see anything objectionable here. That pipeline is there if its needed, it's not going anywhere.

Plenty of other countries to sell Russian gas to. Via pipelines in Asia, and LNG shipments

I'm sure the EU has plenty of other sources of cheap gas and their renewable energy stuff is right around the corner as well. So all the best to them.

The current situation is that Europe is not ordering extra gas, Gazprom has fulfilled its gas contracts to date and no one is ordering any more gas because of the high current spot prices.

Europe wants Gazprom to fill up Gazproms storage sites in Europe, but if NSII cannot be used they might decide not to fill up their reserve storage areas in Europe.

This means when Europe needs more gas it will need to negotiate prices with Gazprom, and if those customers say it cannot come through any pipes except those of the Ukraine then EU gas consumers will get the privilege of paying extra transit fees to the Ukraine, making their gas more expensive still.

Russia could liquify some of the gas they are not selling through pipes to Europe and send those boats to the UK or US or anywhere really and make good money because the current market price makes gas a valuable commodity... and their current ships can deliver as LNG or it can convert back to gas to pump directly into gas pipelines... like those in Kaliningrad for instance which also bypasses transit pipelines and makes their gas cheaper.

The EU can tie themselves in all sorts of knots if they want to, but talk of Putin bending over is amusing, because Russia makes money on gas sales to the EU no matter which direction the gas travels down so paying money to the Ukraine is fine because they don't earn as much from the gas moving through their pipes as Russia makes, and with South Stream and North Streams the Ukraine makes no money either.

If the Europeans don't want energy this winter then that is up to them to explain to their customers, Russia has the gas and is prepared to sell it.... European leaders tried to trap the Russians into selling gas super cheap and it has failed and instead gas is expensive now. Russia does not want gas to be so expensive so will likely to agree to long term contracts for rather lower prices than are currently being presented on the market, which I am sure the EU will present as a win, but the reality is that Russia has plenty of gas and just wants to sell it to the EU, it is the EU that is playing stupid games with matches and burning its own fingers.

The EU is a joke.

ATLASCUB wrote:Nord Stream 2 cannot be certified – Berlin

https://www.rt.com/russia/542998-nord-stream-germany-certification/

Baerbock, a Green politician who assumed her role in the Foreign Ministry this week, discussed the fate of the multinational project in an interview with the broadcaster ZDF on Sunday. She insisted it still hadn’t met all that was required for it to be certified.

“As things stand at the moment, this pipeline cannot be approved because it does not meet the requirements of European energy law, and the safety issues are still on the table,” she said.
Read more
Poland to ask Germany’s new leader for help in stopping Nord Stream 2 Poland to ask Germany’s new leader for help in stopping Nord Stream 2

The Greens have openly opposed the pipeline and, during the recent election campaign, called for a halt to its construction. Their coalition partners from the social-democratic SPD have been more reserved in expressing their opinion of the project.

Apart from the certification hurdles, the fate of the pipeline is directly linked to politics, Germany’s new SPD Chancellor Olaf Scholz has signaled, reiterating Berlin’s commitment to preserving the current transit of gas through Ukraine, for which Ukraine is remunerated by Russia.

“We continue to feel responsible for ensuring that Ukraine’s gas transit business remains successful. The same goes for future opportunities,” Scholz said during a joint press conference with Polish PM Mateusz Morawiecki earlier in the day.

Looking forward to that fast tracking of negotiations between Gazprom and the Ukies on a transit deal extension.. soon. Unless, of course, Putin grows hair again on his balding balls. We shall see.

Berlin tying this to a Ukraine transit extension as a conditional deal with the U.S for NS2 "approval" is going to either end up badly, or with the intended effect: a Russian bend over. Putin decides, again.

Haha... I freaking knew it. Well everyone did. Russia has played their twisted game well and even outflanked them. It is now apparent that the green parties of european states are completely in the grip of globohomo. Total lock step. They couldn't stop NS2 from being built without looking like total political hacks. Now they stall it because they know NS2 would totally bypass eastern European states who hold a kind of blackmail control against Russia. Russia does not want Ukraine and even most western leaders understand that this invasions nonsense is hyperbole. But Putin would definitely take further steps to control of Crimea and the donbass regions.

Putin should cut supplies of natural gas entirely and boycott their devilish meddling. If Russia was truly the hegemony trying to control Europe like the warhawks say, we would see a totally different scenario. What we actually see is the west constantly trying to undermine Russia and stop Russia from being even a regional power.

You can read it in their damned RAND corporation white papers. They are even using Turkey and Azerbaijan to try and steal away the power Russia has in the Caucasus region that is vital to Russian interests. You could literally read the plans laid of the Azerbaijani/Armenian conflict!

Same with Libya. Same with Syria. I'm tired of these stupid games. I'm tired up us westerners kowtowing to China and trying to undermine Russia. The neocons and neolibs just want western puppets in every nation. Enough!