The Situation in the Ukraine. #30

The call took place on Monday, a week after Moscow floated the notion of a legally binding treaty offering firm guarantees that NATO would not expand any further east, or place offensive weapons in member countries bordering Russia. Putin informed Johnson that Russia is preparing draft documents to that effect already, and that negotiations need to begin “immediately.”

kvs wrote:While delusional western propagandists spout tin foil hat theories how Putin is desperate to invade Ukria because it is
slipping from his grasp into the bosom of freedom, NATzO, in reality it is the Kiev regime that is slipping since its anti-Russian
project is totally bankrupt.   After 7 years of hate spew and gross human rights violations, the Kiev regime has achieved
nothing.   Instead Ukria's economy now fully flushing down the toilet and people are literally freezing in the dark.   It is
obvious that baiting Russia into an invasion is their only option left to launder their failure.   They need to unload their
epic failure onto Russia.   See, them Moskals invaded and ruined our glorious achievements.

NATzO itself is also desperate.   It cannot afford to maintain the Ukria failed state.  So it needs to dump it back into Russia's
lap and have Russia spend $200 billion per year to keep it from totally disintegrating.   Both NATzO and its quislings in Kiev
are utterly delusional.   No amount of their cheesy propaganda is going to get Russia to invade and take care of this
tar baby.   The Kiev regime forces are not going to roll over the Donbass and crush it like a bug.   Javelins, Stingers and
Bairaktars are not going to bring them victory.   Also, there was a referendum in the Donbass about joining Russia and
the majority voted against reunification.   So Russia is not obliged to save the Donbass at all costs and is not going to
invade to achieve reunification.   Those residents of the Donbass who got Russian passports can move to Russia.   They
are more useful as a resource than the Donbass real estate.   Coal mines and chintzy "shale" gas deposits are nothing to
write home about.  

kvs wrote:

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They did not pose the question whether to reunify with Russia because it was not popular and support for this is still low.

Sujoy wrote:Russia should simply take over Ukraine, it will send the right message to all the European countries. Basically the West wants to use one Slavic nation against the other. They want to see Slavs dead. That's both the long and short of it.

You have to ignore western and Ukrainian propaganda.... these so called rebels are not Russians and don't want to become Russians.... they just want to be able to speak Russian.

Sujoy wrote:Russia should simply take over Ukraine, it will send the right message to all the European countries. Basically the West wants to use one Slavic nation against the other. They want to see Slavs dead. That's both the long and short of it.

kvs wrote:https://dan-news.info/official/rezultaty-oprosa-na-temu-pochemu-vy-podderzhivaete-dnr/

It was this 2015 opinion poll that shows the support level for joining Russia: 10%.  It has probably increased since then.

flamming_python wrote:And these Slavic countries are more than happy to oblige. As long as their oligarchs keep their villas in southern France, their bank accounts in Switzerland and their budgets get money from the EU

flamming_python wrote:You have more foreigners coming to Russia for tourism, doing business or living from France, Britain and Germany than you do from all the ex-Warsaw Pact put together. Funny that.

kvs wrote:

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It was this 2015 opinion poll that shows the support level for joining Russia: 10%.  It has probably increased since then.

flamming_python wrote:

Sujoy wrote:Russia should simply take over Ukraine, it will send the right message to all the European countries. Basically the West wants to use one Slavic nation against the other. They want to see Slavs dead. That's both the long and short of it.

And these Slavic countries are more than happy to oblige. As long as their oligarchs keep their villas in southern France, their bank accounts in Switzerland and their budgets get money from the EU

How can you fix stupid? You can't, and it's not Russia's problem. In all these Czechia's, Poland's, Slovakia's young people are taught to thumb their nose up at Russia from an early age. All the history books and media paint Russia in the worst possible light, the Great Satan, the great oppressor. You should have seen the shit-storm on Twitter when Slovakia decided to buy the Sputnik vaccine. It was full of Slovak and Czech trolls talking about Novichok, Putin, Soviet occupation and how Russia can't possibly have come up with a vaccine by itself.
Maybe these are just paid trolls, who knows, but there are more of them than reasonable people commenting. And the reasonable people are all of the older generation, not the younger one.
There is no perspective for co-operation with such countries. You hardly have anyone from them coming from them to Russia, because they are convinced that Russia is a poor miserable hell-hole. You have more foreigners coming to Russia for tourism, doing business or living from France, Britain and Germany than you do from all the ex-Warsaw Pact put together. Funny that.
Unfortunately young people from Eastern Europe know nothing about us, nothing about the country nowadays, and don't speak the language. It's next to impossible to change the situation.

Russia should ignore all these countries, and do business, build ties with countries that are open to that. In Europe these countries are Hungary, Serbia, Belarus, and that's about it. Everyone else is either hostile or is not hostile but will let the Russophobe elites in the EU decide upon their relations with Russia for them as they themselves don't have enough sovereignty or solvency - like Bulgaria and Greece.

Which ultimately means that Russia should expand ties with the rest of the world outside Europe. Euro-centrism is a dead end for Russia in the 21st century, so is an orientation towards building ties with Slavic nations. Those Slavic nations have all bought into Gucci and McDonalds and desire nothing else.

Dozens of members and commanders from government sniper units testified at the trial as prosecution witnesses. Yet their testimony showed that their units were ordered to deploy to government-controlled areas near the Maidan in order to locate and neutralize snipers, who in turn killed or wounded the Berkut policemen. They testified that, after their arrival, mass shooting practically stopped, yet that they came under fire from Maidan-controlled buildings.

The government investigation had earlier determined that Yanukovych government snipers could be held responsible for the death of only a single Maidan protester. Meanwhile, two other demonstrators who had been nearby during his killing, testified that he, too, was shot from a Maidan-controlled building. Photos and forensic examinations by government experts revealed that he was shot in the back from a steep angle by a corroded bullet as he faced the government positions.

Yet despite the overwhelming evidence, the investigation ultimately denied that there were snipers in Maidan-controlled buildings. It is striking that, almost eight years after one of the best-documented cases of mass murder in history, nobody is convicted or under arrest for the Maidan massacre.