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Krepost wrote:flamming_python wrote:Sujoy wrote:Russia should simply take over Ukraine, it will send the right message to all the European countries. Basically the West wants to use one Slavic nation against the other. They want to see Slavs dead. That's both the long and short of it.
And these Slavic countries are more than happy to oblige. As long as their oligarchs keep their villas in southern France, their bank accounts in Switzerland and their budgets get money from the EU
How can you fix stupid? You can't, and it's not Russia's problem. In all these Czechia's, Poland's, Slovakia's young people are taught to thumb their nose up at Russia from an early age. All the history books and media paint Russia in the worst possible light, the Great Satan, the great oppressor. You should have seen the shit-storm on Twitter when Slovakia decided to buy the Sputnik vaccine. It was full of Slovak and Czech trolls talking about Novichok, Putin, Soviet occupation and how Russia can't possibly have come up with a vaccine by itself.
Maybe these are just paid trolls, who knows, but there are more of them than reasonable people commenting. And the reasonable people are all of the older generation, not the younger one.
There is no perspective for co-operation with such countries. You hardly have anyone from them coming from them to Russia, because they are convinced that Russia is a poor miserable hell-hole. You have more foreigners coming to Russia for tourism, doing business or living from France, Britain and Germany than you do from all the ex-Warsaw Pact put together. Funny that.
Unfortunately young people from Eastern Europe know nothing about us, nothing about the country nowadays, and don't speak the language. It's next to impossible to change the situation.
Russia should ignore all these countries, and do business, build ties with countries that are open to that. In Europe these countries are Hungary, Serbia, Belarus, and that's about it. Everyone else is either hostile or is not hostile but will let the Russophobe elites in the EU decide upon their relations with Russia for them as they themselves don't have enough sovereignty or solvency - like Bulgaria and Greece.
Which ultimately means that Russia should expand ties with the rest of the world outside Europe. Euro-centrism is a dead end for Russia in the 21st century, so is an orientation towards building ties with Slavic nations. Those Slavic nations have all bought into Gucci and McDonalds and desire nothing else.
Python,
Please overcome this defeatist attitude and mentality.
Difficulties and great challenges exist. But, nothing is lost forever.
All you need is to put huge efforts over a long period of time and everything will be taken back and maybe more.
A huge mental and educational "Operation Bagration" is needed to undo all the brainwashing damage done over the years.
Sometimes circumstances help. Sometimes your opponents make mistakes and pay for it.
There are still good numbers of still mentally sane and healthy thinking people in those places you mentioned. The aim is to slowly and gradually increase those numbers despite all the difficulties.
Yourself, you have excellent debating and explaining skills. And with your presence on forums like this one, you are already bringing a small contribution to the uphill battle.
The key phrases in your thesis, I have already highlighted
My attitude is not defeatist. I think on the basis of 2021, not 1921 and not 2121.
Why should Russia undertake this 'Operation Bagration'? And who there is asking for it?
When an oil company wishes to make a profit, does it exploit the hardest to drill, hardest to reach fields first, with no existing infrastructure and the lowest profit margins?
Of course not, else it wouldn't remain solvent for long
Similarly the Soviet military strategy against NATO. Did it focus on attacking the strongest most well-built defenses and opposing regiments? No, the idea was to across multiple points of the front-line, but where there is serious resistance - call off the advance, and on the contrary there where a break-through is achieved - flood with redeployed forces to exploit and expand.
It's the same for countries. They have limited resources. They can't fight an uphill battle on all fronts. All those handouts and subsidies to the Ukraine and now they're the most Russophobic country in Europe, and still feel entitled to Russian gas.
There are plenty of countries in the world that are on the contrary, coming to Russia with offers for partnership, whose population has no chip on their shoulder against Moscow and in fact is often positively disposed towards it. Take that huge effort, and invest it into these countries instead, it will bring far more dividends and more quickly.
The countries in Eastern Europe have to sort their own complexes and subservience to foreign capitals out. When they're ready, they can always turn to Moscow for constructive dialogue. But neither then, nor now, do I see any reason to make any herculean efforts.
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