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It will be a long time before the US develops a hypersonic weapon. In the future, of course, this could pose a great threat to Russia.
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The Situation in the Ukraine. #30
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It will be a long time before the US develops a hypersonic weapon. In the future, of course, this could pose a great threat to Russia.
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@ Arrow
It will be a threat to Russia but Russian missiles will pose an even greater threat to the US and Europe in particular]. NATO may want those missiles in Europe but they can expect a lot of violent protests at home and "appropriate" action from Russia. In the end they will all sit around a table again and sign INFII.
It will be a threat to Russia but Russian missiles will pose an even greater threat to the US and Europe in particular]. NATO may want those missiles in Europe but they can expect a lot of violent protests at home and "appropriate" action from Russia. In the end they will all sit around a table again and sign INFII.
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George1 wrote:dHzW1vPAHDo
Predictable false flag tricks of NATzO. As with MH17 they need to stage some atrocity to justify their military aggression
and anti-Russian hysteria.
I suggest that if any such stunt is pulled that Russia bomb them all to hell. Let NATzO posture and make demands. The
only language NATzO understands is pain like the base animal that it is.
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US can’t be trusted to honor its promises – Putin
https://www.rt.com/russia/543859-putiin-america-ignore-promises/
Why offer a deal? Obvious. Russia has been cornered on his watch and it's increasingly unbearable. Hence the obvious importance of a proactive foreign policy, not a reactionary one as is Russia's - obviously both under Putin's watch, and the failures called "leaders" that came before him.
American mercenaries preparing ‘chemical weapon’ incident in east Ukraine, Russia claims
https://www.rt.com/russia/543861-us-pmc-chemical-provocation-ukraine/
If you got the intel what are you doing about it? The U.S would do a preemptive strike and call it a day - they don't care if the Russians, or anyone else for that matters likes it or agrees with it. Russia talks, and talk is cheap.
"Russia doesn't act because..." bingo card:
Out of fear of political costs that U.S and vassals will impose on it.
Out of fear of economic cost the U.S and vassals will impose on it.
Out of fear of falling into info war traps (which it already lost anyway - Russia has 0 media/propaganda leverage to shape public opinion in the West).
That leads to inaction. The exercise of restraint is objectively weakness, interpreted as weakness, and encourages the provocations.
Gazprom halts gas transit to Germany via Yamal pipeline
https://www.rt.com/russia/543844-yamal-europe-pipeline-halt/
What matters is for how long.
https://www.rt.com/russia/543859-putiin-america-ignore-promises/
“We need long-term legally binding guarantees. But you and I know them well. And that is something that cannot be trusted,” Putin went on, noting that the US “easily withdraws from international treaties that it becomes uninterested in,” apparently referencing Washington’s unilateral withdrawal from the landmark Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty in 2002. The accord, inked between the USSR and US in 1972, intended to limit both sides’ missile defense capabilities.
“You and I both know very well: under various pretexts, including the purpose of ensuring their own security, that they act thousands of kilometers away from their national territory,” he said. “When international law and the UN Charter interfere, they declare it all obsolete and unnecessary.”
Why offer a deal? Obvious. Russia has been cornered on his watch and it's increasingly unbearable. Hence the obvious importance of a proactive foreign policy, not a reactionary one as is Russia's - obviously both under Putin's watch, and the failures called "leaders" that came before him.
American mercenaries preparing ‘chemical weapon’ incident in east Ukraine, Russia claims
https://www.rt.com/russia/543861-us-pmc-chemical-provocation-ukraine/
Containers with “unidentified chemical components” have been delivered to the cities of Avdeevka and Krasny Liman in Donbass in order to stage provocations, Shoigu said, at Tuesday’s meeting of the Defense Ministry board, in Moscow, attended by President Vladimir Putin.
The minister, who was sitting alongside Putin and Russia's top General Valery Gerasimov, provided no further details or evidence of the false-flag chemical attacks that had purportedly been planned.
If you got the intel what are you doing about it? The U.S would do a preemptive strike and call it a day - they don't care if the Russians, or anyone else for that matters likes it or agrees with it. Russia talks, and talk is cheap.
"Russia doesn't act because..." bingo card:
Out of fear of political costs that U.S and vassals will impose on it.
Out of fear of economic cost the U.S and vassals will impose on it.
Out of fear of falling into info war traps (which it already lost anyway - Russia has 0 media/propaganda leverage to shape public opinion in the West).
That leads to inaction. The exercise of restraint is objectively weakness, interpreted as weakness, and encourages the provocations.
Gazprom halts gas transit to Germany via Yamal pipeline
https://www.rt.com/russia/543844-yamal-europe-pipeline-halt/
What matters is for how long.
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In response to Atlascub:
I think what you are really dwelling on, is why Russia is acting this way now?
Has nothing to do with being cornered.
The reality is that Russian Federation is the most geopolitically aware state in the world as of 2000.
The combination of the SVR, GRU, Foreign Ministry, Kremlin and host of intelligence organizations interact in such a way that intel on every geopolitical process on earth is synthesized and processed ad infinitum.
So why now?
The reason is that the west is done, zip, zadda, over.
This is not about Ukraine, but about NATO returning to 1997 positions. The process is already taking place, and it has nothing to do with the words coming out of the west politicians marionettes.
It has more to do with the absolute supremacy of the Russian military complex over the west, as well as the Russian economy practically engulfing the economy of the EU, while the US is experiencing catastrophic Carter era inflation .
So this is why Russia acts this way, to not allow the west to dictate the terms of war, but to impose conditions on the west, who now sees they have lost the war which was 85% informational, 10% economic, and 5% kinetic.
But there are some seriously mentally Ill managers in the west who have no qualms about killing their own population in a fiery nuclear war. So Russia must conduct this ultimatum in a way that is public, because even though the western population is also of low IQ, even they understand self preservation.
So this is why these processes are occurring.
It is the victory of RU in the 2nd cold war, and defeat of NATO and USA.
Joe Brandon is being regime Changed.
Ukraine also can be regime changed without ground forces.
Just sit back and watch the show
I think what you are really dwelling on, is why Russia is acting this way now?
Has nothing to do with being cornered.
The reality is that Russian Federation is the most geopolitically aware state in the world as of 2000.
The combination of the SVR, GRU, Foreign Ministry, Kremlin and host of intelligence organizations interact in such a way that intel on every geopolitical process on earth is synthesized and processed ad infinitum.
So why now?
The reason is that the west is done, zip, zadda, over.
This is not about Ukraine, but about NATO returning to 1997 positions. The process is already taking place, and it has nothing to do with the words coming out of the west politicians marionettes.
It has more to do with the absolute supremacy of the Russian military complex over the west, as well as the Russian economy practically engulfing the economy of the EU, while the US is experiencing catastrophic Carter era inflation .
So this is why Russia acts this way, to not allow the west to dictate the terms of war, but to impose conditions on the west, who now sees they have lost the war which was 85% informational, 10% economic, and 5% kinetic.
But there are some seriously mentally Ill managers in the west who have no qualms about killing their own population in a fiery nuclear war. So Russia must conduct this ultimatum in a way that is public, because even though the western population is also of low IQ, even they understand self preservation.
So this is why these processes are occurring.
It is the victory of RU in the 2nd cold war, and defeat of NATO and USA.
Joe Brandon is being regime Changed.
Ukraine also can be regime changed without ground forces.
Just sit back and watch the show
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Also Atlascub allow me to explain further:
The consequence of the defeat in Afghanistan was much more catastrophic then vietnam.
Losing central Asia basically meant the US could not longer sustain a 2 front war, using its central asian bases to shuttle material and men to and from Europe and Asia.
So in essence it needs to be spelled out for US leadership. Backed up by zircon, burevestnik, Poseidon, and others.
Also the EU economy has now hit the point of no return.
Economically Russia is larger then the EU by 3 or 4 times. It's just the persistent delusion that Russia is smaller than Netherlands persists. So freezing will definitely make them more aware of this miscalculation, as well as their shrinking share and output of industrial production. Germany the locomotive of the EU is now surpassed in steel production, aluminum production, hydrocarbons de facto, and shipbuilding industries. So the EU is now Russias 3rd or 4th trade partner compared to China and India.
As for the US, like I said, the Carter era hyperinflation means they have given up on empire and now only manage vassals through PR.
So Russia must shatter this PR campaign and reveal the true state of the Hyperinflated US economic status, which will die once Jerome powell raises interest rates.
The US itself is ungovernable, that is what SVR, GRU, FSB, Foreign Ministry, and Kremlin has come to the conclusion of.
Brandon is being regime changed, and BBB like MAGA is only a political slogan. The US is slipping into internal conflict and is self federalizing itself which Ukraine is the best Predictor ironically of where the US now heads.
This is why Russia considers now , the most correct time to apply pressure on the US collapsed Union.
The consequence of the defeat in Afghanistan was much more catastrophic then vietnam.
Losing central Asia basically meant the US could not longer sustain a 2 front war, using its central asian bases to shuttle material and men to and from Europe and Asia.
So in essence it needs to be spelled out for US leadership. Backed up by zircon, burevestnik, Poseidon, and others.
Also the EU economy has now hit the point of no return.
Economically Russia is larger then the EU by 3 or 4 times. It's just the persistent delusion that Russia is smaller than Netherlands persists. So freezing will definitely make them more aware of this miscalculation, as well as their shrinking share and output of industrial production. Germany the locomotive of the EU is now surpassed in steel production, aluminum production, hydrocarbons de facto, and shipbuilding industries. So the EU is now Russias 3rd or 4th trade partner compared to China and India.
As for the US, like I said, the Carter era hyperinflation means they have given up on empire and now only manage vassals through PR.
So Russia must shatter this PR campaign and reveal the true state of the Hyperinflated US economic status, which will die once Jerome powell raises interest rates.
The US itself is ungovernable, that is what SVR, GRU, FSB, Foreign Ministry, and Kremlin has come to the conclusion of.
Brandon is being regime changed, and BBB like MAGA is only a political slogan. The US is slipping into internal conflict and is self federalizing itself which Ukraine is the best Predictor ironically of where the US now heads.
This is why Russia considers now , the most correct time to apply pressure on the US collapsed Union.
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Of all times in which ATLASCUB could have chosen to leave the doubt of whether he is a full of shit sore hater, he had to chose this particular one and dispel all the doubts 
Any smart guy happening to be so wrong as him would sit this one out and hope nobody notices that things are going exactly the opposite way as he has been claiming, but hatred is too strong in this one to stay quiet...
Any smart guy happening to be so wrong as him would sit this one out and hope nobody notices that things are going exactly the opposite way as he has been claiming, but hatred is too strong in this one to stay quiet...
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All I see are hive mind idiots having strong cognitive dissonance and thus settling on their primal instincts in hopes of "shutting" down the uncomfortable "noise". 24/7 damage control.
Just as important as it's to stay away from the Western propaganda coolaid, so it's as important staying off the Russian/"anti-imperialists" coolaid commentary from "Russian analysts" aka propaganda. Obviously folks here, repeating verbatim propaganda talking points and nonsense shows folks are captured. Thought leaders dictating how one may think critically makes you an absolute sheep. Propaganda works, both sides practice it. One side is much better and resourceful than the other at it. The exercise on either side produces the same result on the captured target - idiotic tribal drones. Obviously an idiot is born everyday, and of course, no one is an idiot if you ask personally - doesn't change the fact tho.
If the noise is too uncomfortable, have a sip of vodka. It may soothe the pain. It will fry your brain cells overtime if you become an addict tho... so drink carefully and in moderation.
Just as important as it's to stay away from the Western propaganda coolaid, so it's as important staying off the Russian/"anti-imperialists" coolaid commentary from "Russian analysts" aka propaganda. Obviously folks here, repeating verbatim propaganda talking points and nonsense shows folks are captured. Thought leaders dictating how one may think critically makes you an absolute sheep. Propaganda works, both sides practice it. One side is much better and resourceful than the other at it. The exercise on either side produces the same result on the captured target - idiotic tribal drones. Obviously an idiot is born everyday, and of course, no one is an idiot if you ask personally - doesn't change the fact tho.
If the noise is too uncomfortable, have a sip of vodka. It may soothe the pain. It will fry your brain cells overtime if you become an addict tho... so drink carefully and in moderation.
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Thank you for the advice, and may you manage to come out of these times we are living without frying your brain with dissonance yourself 
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ATLASCUB wrote:All I see are hive mind idiots having strong cognitive dissonance and thus settling on their primal instincts in hopes of "shutting" down the uncomfortable "noise". 24/7 damage control.
Just as important as it's to stay away from the Western propaganda coolaid, so it's as important staying off the Russian/"anti-imperialists" coolaid commentary from "Russian analysts" aka propaganda. Obviously folks here, repeating verbatim propaganda talking points and nonsense shows folks are captured. Thought leaders dictating how one may think critically makes you an absolute sheep. Propaganda works, both sides practice it. One side is much better and resourceful than the other at it. The exercise on either side produces the same result on the captured target - idiotic tribal drones. Obviously an idiot is born everyday, and of course, no one is an idiot if you ask personally - doesn't change the fact tho.
If the noise is too uncomfortable, have a sip of vodka. It may soothe the pain. It will fry your brain cells overtime if you become an addict tho... so drink carefully and in moderation.
Except all the overdoses and alcoholic bouts are happening ...ironically in the US and UK. A culture of fentanyl and nihilism will do that to you
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That comes after nato said they would send multi national brigades there. A smart man that Yanev.
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Bulgaria does not see a need for deployment of NATO troops on its territory as a response to Russia’s military build-up near the border with Ukraine, its defense minister Yanev said.
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Bulgaria does not see a need for deployment of NATO troops on its territory as a response to Russia’s military build-up near the border with Ukraine, its defense minister Yanev said.
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Isos wrote:That comes after nato said they would send multi national brigades there. A smart man that Yanev.
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Bulgaria does not see a need for deployment of NATO troops on its territory as a response to Russia’s military build-up near the border with Ukraine, its defense minister Yanev said.
Yeah right.
Bulgaria is probably the Western satellite-state with the least amount of sovereignty after Bosnia, Montenegro and pals
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Sounds like Russian smart phone manufacturers will need to expand production capacity... Apple bans would be like the last apple ban... Putin blocking EU food exports led to lots of EU farmers suffering, and lots of their Russian counterparts taking up the slack and making good money.
Putin has said enough is enough and that these are the things Russia thinks are important.
HATO and the US and the EU have said screw you we are the rich and powerful ones, we will do as we please and you get no say because you lost the cold war... remember?
Saying Putin is cornered is amusing... there was no likelyhood of the EU and HATO and the US just saying well you are a country in your own right... fair enough... where do you want us to sign... HATO and the US and the EU are not going to change because it makes sense for them to treat Russia with respect.
Now they have said no Russia is now free to do what HATO and the EU and the US has been doing to them, because Russia is powerful and rich in many ways and screw you... we made a nice sensible offer and you refused, and now we are going to take steps you are not going to like...
It is a bit like the middle of last century when Stalin realised how exposed Leningrad was to attack and wanted Finland to give him some territory so they could create a defence in depth so it could be kept safe... the Finns said no so Stalin invaded and after he beat them he took rather more territory than he asked for. When they complained that he took more land than he was asking for he basically said you made us fight for it and we lost men and material and so that is an extra fee.
I don't think Putin will invade any country, but there is plenty of scope for being a bit more beligerent against vocal enemies of Russia... Kaliningrad has a nuclear power station in construction that should be operational in the mid 2020s, so electricity supply that goes through the Baltic States and Belarus could be stopped at the Belarus border perhaps for a start. Nuclear weapons in Kaliningrad obviously. I am sure he probably has a long list of things they could do...
Putin has said enough is enough and that these are the things Russia thinks are important.
HATO and the US and the EU have said screw you we are the rich and powerful ones, we will do as we please and you get no say because you lost the cold war... remember?
Saying Putin is cornered is amusing... there was no likelyhood of the EU and HATO and the US just saying well you are a country in your own right... fair enough... where do you want us to sign... HATO and the US and the EU are not going to change because it makes sense for them to treat Russia with respect.
Now they have said no Russia is now free to do what HATO and the EU and the US has been doing to them, because Russia is powerful and rich in many ways and screw you... we made a nice sensible offer and you refused, and now we are going to take steps you are not going to like...
It is a bit like the middle of last century when Stalin realised how exposed Leningrad was to attack and wanted Finland to give him some territory so they could create a defence in depth so it could be kept safe... the Finns said no so Stalin invaded and after he beat them he took rather more territory than he asked for. When they complained that he took more land than he was asking for he basically said you made us fight for it and we lost men and material and so that is an extra fee.
I don't think Putin will invade any country, but there is plenty of scope for being a bit more beligerent against vocal enemies of Russia... Kaliningrad has a nuclear power station in construction that should be operational in the mid 2020s, so electricity supply that goes through the Baltic States and Belarus could be stopped at the Belarus border perhaps for a start. Nuclear weapons in Kaliningrad obviously. I am sure he probably has a long list of things they could do...
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Yeah right.
Bulgaria is probably the Western satellite-state with the least amount of sovereignty after Bosnia, Montenegro and pals
By refusing HATO troops he is showing a bit of common sense.... a rare thing in either the EU or HATO.
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So they will prohibit the Russkies from buying China made Apple you are saying?
Geee, that will hurt
Geee, that will hurt
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GarryB wrote:Yeah right.
Bulgaria is probably the Western satellite-state with the least amount of sovereignty after Bosnia, Montenegro and pals
By refusing HATO troops he is showing a bit of common sense.... a rare thing in either the EU or HATO.
Na-ah
He's part of the gang. If he's showing a bit of common sense, that's only because NATO higher command is. For now.
Bulgaria has no real loyalty to NATO, just as they had no real loyalty to the USSR, or to Germany in the wars before that. But they'll do what they're told, loyally, if that makes any sense. Until a greater army shows up at their doorstep that is. That's when they will switch sides.
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Russia needs to take over Belarus followed by Ukraine. And that doesn't mean declaring war against Ukraine. Kremlin should officially ask Ukraine to join the Russian federation. If they refuse under western pressure then mile by mile Ukranian territory needs to be taken over by Russia.flamming_python wrote:Until a greater army shows up at their doorstep that is. That's when they will switch sides.
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Not worth the mileage. Just let the people revolt - which is not far away.
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jhelb wrote:Russia needs to take over Belarus followed by Ukraine. And that doesn't mean declaring war against Ukraine. Kremlin should officially ask Ukraine to join the Russian federation. If they refuse under western pressure then mile by mile Ukranian territory needs to be taken over by Russia.flamming_python wrote:Until a greater army shows up at their doorstep that is. That's when they will switch sides.
No what will eventually happen is Eastern and Southern Ukraine break off and join the Donbass Republics; North West Ukraine will stay Ukraine, but be extremely weaker as they no longer have access to resources and the sea.
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If Russia was about to invade Ukraine and NATzO was so concerned, then the US would be rushing Abrams tanks, soldiers and other
equipment to Poland and Romania. We see no such action whatsoever. The whole invasion hysteria is pure propaganda.
NATzO ain't no collection of doves. All the braying and hate spew would clearly involve some actual military response to
"Russian aggression". But there is nothing but propaganda hot air.
equipment to Poland and Romania. We see no such action whatsoever. The whole invasion hysteria is pure propaganda.
NATzO ain't no collection of doves. All the braying and hate spew would clearly involve some actual military response to
"Russian aggression". But there is nothing but propaganda hot air.
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GarryB wrote:
It is a bit like the middle of last century when Stalin realised how exposed Leningrad was to attack and wanted Finland to give him some territory so they could create a defence in depth so it could be kept safe... the Finns said no so Stalin invaded and after he beat them he took rather more territory than he asked for. When they complained that he took more land than he was asking for he basically said you made us fight for it and we lost men and material and so that is an extra fee.
I don't think Putin will invade any country, but there is plenty of scope for being a bit more beligerent against vocal enemies of Russia... Kaliningrad has a nuclear power station in construction that should be operational in the mid 2020s, so electricity supply that goes through the Baltic States and Belarus could be stopped at the Belarus border perhaps for a start. Nuclear weapons in Kaliningrad obviously. I am sure he probably has a long list of things they could do...
Interesting side note but the land seized by Stalin was Russian going back to before the Teutonic Knights and their
crusader invasions at the time of Alexander Nevsky. The Russian Empire was excessively generous in giving
away Russian lands just like the USSR. Since Finland was absorbed into the Empire, the borders could have been
rectified. The same nonsense applies around Lake Peipus and Estonia which were originally part of the Principality
of Polotsk.
Crimea was never a land grab. It was the affirmation of the will of the local population and the grotesque violation of
their rights after 1990 (and in 1954). Russia needs people and not real estate populated by hostiles. Western
hate propaganda has it that such real estate is precious and that Russia craves it. This is just demented fantasy.
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flamming_python wrote:GarryB wrote:Yeah right.
Bulgaria is probably the Western satellite-state with the least amount of sovereignty after Bosnia, Montenegro and pals
By refusing HATO troops he is showing a bit of common sense.... a rare thing in either the EU or HATO.
Na-ah
He's part of the gang. If he's showing a bit of common sense, that's only because NATO higher command is. For now.
Bulgaria has no real loyalty to NATO, just as they had no real loyalty to the USSR, or to Germany in the wars before that. But they'll do what they're told, loyally, if that makes any sense. Until a greater army shows up at their doorstep that is. That's when they will switch sides.
A friend of mine, his best friend is in the Bulgarian security services.
America committed all forms of evil in taking over Bulgaria.
We are talking sedition ie kidnapping Bulgarians, taking them to foreign prisons and torturing them etc.
I have no problem with most Americans.
But its Establishment is basically the Empire of Scum.
Its high time America was taken down a few pegs.
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Ukraine pledges to stop Nord Stream 2
https://www.rt.com/russia/543916-ukraine-plan-stop-nordstream2/
But the Germans say it's not a political matter... who to believe?
Obviously the U.S did the heavy lifting - not Ukraine - but hey, they should take some credit.
Clearly, Ukranians, Poles and the Americans are convinced Russian oligarchs would eventually capitulate by forcing Putin's hands to continue using old routes..... in the event of a fully successful NS2 torpedo hit. It's moribund now, but not quite dead yet.
It's an escalation ladder, you're either in it, or drowning below. The Winter Olympics could make for quite the fireworks.
https://www.rt.com/russia/543916-ukraine-plan-stop-nordstream2/
Yuri Vitrenko, Chairman of the Board of state-owned energy firm Naftogaz, wrote on Facebook on Thursday that “we have a plan for further legal steps to hinder the launch of this Russian pipeline.”
He went on to say that Kiev will make the “maximum effort” to stop the project from operating, explaining that Ukrainian efforts had already worked “to delay the completion of this pipeline for more than a year.”
“This is the result of our collaboration with American and European partners,” he claimed, adding that Naftogaz had also inserted itself into the procedure for certifying Nord Stream 2, which is currently ongoing.
In November, Ukraine’s Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba took credit for delaying Nord Streams 2’s approval, saying that it “should have been operating and earning money a long time ago, but the fact that it still does not work and we are fighting against it is the result of our common endeavors.”
But the Germans say it's not a political matter... who to believe?
Obviously the U.S did the heavy lifting - not Ukraine - but hey, they should take some credit.
Clearly, Ukranians, Poles and the Americans are convinced Russian oligarchs would eventually capitulate by forcing Putin's hands to continue using old routes..... in the event of a fully successful NS2 torpedo hit. It's moribund now, but not quite dead yet.
It's an escalation ladder, you're either in it, or drowning below. The Winter Olympics could make for quite the fireworks.