miketheterrible wrote:
that I dont believe at all.
I was reading various sources like antimaiden and they themselves proved it was backed by LDPR and to some degree, libtards. The referendum wasn't even close to a farce as it was national voted.
Oh everyone certainly rushed to get a piece of the popularity train. Communists arrived there, liberals, people from every party great and small. Someone living in America was talking about setting up a national 'congress' (he considered it important to use the word 'congress') and then angling for recognition by South Korea, Japan and other countries.
But none of them created it. Even the local governor didn't create it. The local people created it and their only motive was to tell Moscow that they don't agree either with the referendum, or its arbitrary decisions about getting rid of legitimately elected governors who happen to disagree with the center.
But you kinda showed your hand in your bias so I dont really take what you say about the events in place at face value (communists live in a strange fantasy). Things in Russia has been far better for people on the individual level than anything else and so it isn't about them not caring about the "small people".
No I'm explaining the symptom that you yourself noticed. I'm telling you what problem it's indicative of, the Russian ruling class neither trusts its own people nor respects them as a potential force in their own right, and this projects to their dealings with other countries around the world too, including failures in their policies like what happened in the Ukraine through their support of Yanukovich.
Russia has 20 different countries that observe its elections. And elections have shown that in the end, the current party hold the most popular. There wouldn't be mass protests and those protests in Khabarovsk dwindled and died down rather quickly compared to most countries. So it wasn't really strong to begin with.
And all of those countries are going to say what Moscow wants to hear, why would they say different. And when Russia observes their elections, our election observers will also tell those countries what they want to hear.
The scheme is not difficult to figure out and you don't have to be some opposition liberal to realize the obvious.
The mass protests in Khabarovsk were massive and included the entire population of the city. Those that were not directly marching, were beeping their car horns while driving by. I think there were some brief strikes at factories as well. By most estimates some 10% of the city's population was marching at some point - disregarding those at work, too old or too young; that's a far far greater percentage than any Navalny has ever achieved or that old fossil Zyuganov or the government's now defunct Nashi movement or anything else.
It most closely compares with the scale of the protests in Minsk at the same time. In that case, the protests were orchestrated by foreign intelligence agencies and liberal, pro-Western regime opponents in advance, but the motive force was given by the faked elections which outraged the population. You would hardly accuse Minsk and the wider Belarussian population of being liberals, or wanting some Ukrainian-like nationalist government, that's not at all true, but they were ready to march and be led by the nose because of the callousness with which Lukashenko regarded his own people and how transparent it was to them. His arrogance nearly caused his own downfall, and Moscow got a taste of the same lesson in Khabarovsk.
In the case of Khabarovsk it died down quicker than the protests in Minsk because the government adopted the right tactics. It sent people there to negotiate with the protestors, and absolutely avoided using a heavy hand. No political party or force were able to take advantage of the protests because the people were not protesting for that aim and themselves had disparate and varying political sympathies, they were only there because they were united in opposing the arrest of their governor.
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