Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

Biden is such a liar.

Biden Assured Allies in June U.S. Would Ensure Kabul’s Stability
August 20, 2021,
President Joe Biden told key allies in June that he would maintain enough of a security presence in Afghanistan to ensure they could continue to operate in the capital following the main U.S. withdrawal, a vow made before the Taliban’s rapid final push across the country, according to a British diplomatic memo seen by Bloomberg.

Biden promised U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson and other leaders at the Group of Seven summit in Cornwall, England, that “critical U.S. enablers” would remain in place to keep Kabul safe following the drawdown of NATO forces, the note said. British officials determined the U.S. would provide enough personnel to ensure that the U.K. embassy in Kabul could continue operating.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-20/biden-assured-allies-in-june-u-s-would-ensure-kabul-s-stability


WATCH: Biden says he will make is clear ‘America is back’ during overseas trip
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ALA@Xelahorses·
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Well, we can see how reliable U.S. assurances have become. Our foreign policy is actively destroying our credibility around the world.



mercurypunk@mercurypunk·
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This is so bad I can only think its deliberate and there are other layers.
We armed the Taliban to the teeth, they have money, control now, I feel sorry for their neibours like Iran, Pak, China, India..

So this is about destabilising the region, Joe is wise?

it seems the British and Taliban seem to handle eachother well at Kabul:




Also, In the words of the game "among us"

U.S Airforce ELINT aircraft BLKWF13 is acting Sus.....

It is either just playing mindgames or it is staking out Bagram for an reason in the middle of the night.
I will not add more comment than that, it would be just speculation from my end.

just to write some of my toughts here:

In my service time, doing airborne logistics and in preparation for Afghanistan we ran a lot of "what if" scenario's and trough a lot of historical operations involving air assets.
Mostly we learned the vulnerabilities of rotary and fixed aircraft. And things that happened in the past so we did not made the same mistakes.

Of course the Somalia incident passed by, but also the french battle in vietnam of Dien Bien FU millitary airfield.
Also we had this briefing about the 1975 Tan Son Nhut C-5 accident.

It was an C-5 Galaxy doing evacuation flight's, just as they are happening now in Kabul.
It took off full of evacuees, mostly kids.
It experienced mechanical failure in it's cargo doors and experienced explosive decompression.
Tearing away hydraulic lines in the rear resulting in loss of control of the tail and its elevators.

Its pilots tried their best, but crash-landed in an rice paddy field where it broke into pieces.

Documentary if this incident here;
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7tn8j4

The lesson here was, It could have as well just been an light MANPAD or AA fire that could have caused the same scale of damage.
heavy cargo aircraft in take-off and landing are defenseless. It is akin to target practice.

No ammount of millitary threat's, no matter how much forces you put on an airfield. No matter how much air-cover you send.
As long Aircraft are inside range of effective weapon range, they are sitting ducks.
It takes one hydraulic cirquit severed to send aicraft packed with hundreds of people out of control.

They will NOT get away safely, if the Enemy does not allow it.
If an pressurised cabin is breached, and to ensure survival of passengers Aircraft need to descent to 10.000 feet/3KM to ensure an safe level for passengers.
Afghanistan is already 2KM above sea-level. flying at 1 KM above the ground the entire god-forsaken way back to Qatar/dubai is not an option.

I have seen B-52's, F-18's and ELINT survaillance aircraft moving in Afghanistan for the last two days.
Doing missions that have nothing to do with the Evac mission.

I just hope personally, that Biden/Pentagon will not make any dumb moves that will make the Taliban decide that the unobstructed Evac flights are off the table. And take retalitory actions.

The Taliban has MANPADS. They had them always but used them sparingly.
This is footage of an Afghan MI-17 hit with an Manpad. You see it'goes for the heat exchaust and detonates its fragmenting warhead.
It happened the Behsud district of Wardak east of the city of Jalalabad in Afghanistan.

A great interview with Pepe Escobar:

He talks about pipes lines, the drug trade in Afghanistan and the CIA, the terrorist groups that are active in central Asia and a whole lot of other things.

A great listen, it is long but it a lot of things in central Asia and Middle East.

https://thesaker.is/inside-us-afghanistan-pullout-the-grayzone-interviews-pepe-escobar/

From Andy Kim, a Democrat

Andy Kim@AndyKimNJ·
Andrew N. Kim (born July 12, 1982) is an American politician and former diplomat serving as the U.S. Representative from New Jersey's 3rd congressional district. The district stretches from Philadelphia's eastern suburbs to the Jersey Shore.

Kim is the first Democratic member of Congress of Korean descent and the second overall.[1]
Congressman for NJ's 3rd District. Former WH National Security Official, Diplomat,

37min
We have received nearly 4000 evacuation requests from Afghanistan since I started an email RepKimEvac@mail.house.gov just 4 days ago. Many Americans stranded and even more fearful Afghans. Here are their stories (protected) and what they say about the chaos there THREAD

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“I’M BEING HUNTED”: Multiple credible reports of the Taliban going door to door. Reports that Taliban has detailed information about which Afghans worked for the U.S., NGOs, other nations. Many are in hiding, fearful to test whether they can get through checkpoints. 2/15

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AIRPORT GATE: The top problem we hear is chaos at airport gate. One said, “Injuries due to the use of tear gas...children separated from the adults and trampled by the crowd.” A US perm resident has been stuck 3 days without getting in, “This is the most inhumane process.” 3/15
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Some people we are helping got email from US gov to head to the airport, but after making the journey, they get stuck at the gate. It is inexcusable that we cannot find a way to get those approved into the airport. We need a direct POC to call once people are at the gate 4/15

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FEAR GETTING TO AIRPORT: While supposedly Americans are allowed through the multiple Taliban checkpoints set up through Kabul, many are rightfully still concerned. Afghans are downright terrified. This CNN map shows the Taliban positions around the airport. 5/15

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9Qp8aYXIAoJqYn?format=jpg&name=small

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Other NATO countries are reportedly conducting pick ups around Kabul and transporting people to the airport. If in fact the Taliban agreed to allow Americans to travel safely to the airport as Biden stated, the administration should take up this effort to transport. 6/15

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COMMERCIAL/CHARTER FLIGHTS: Yesterday I spent hours talking to people who had lined up chartered flights to evac people from Kabul, but were being told by the U.S. that commercial/charters flights were not allowed to land or depart even if they weren’t heading to the U.S. 7/15

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OUTSIDE OF KABUL: While the bulk of media/attention is focused on Kabul, many Afghans live across the country and cannot dream of getting to Kabul right now. They report that the threat outside of Kabul is even worse, as Taliban isn’t under scrutiny of global media there. 9/15

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WOMEN AND GIRLS: Women are afraid the Taliban will force girls to marry their soldiers. “I ask you for shelter in your country,” they pleaded. “There is no hope for girls, to live, work or study.” Several women report they cannot go outside for basic needs and groceries. 10/15

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SPECIAL IMMIGRANT VISA: “I worked with the soldiers on the battlefields for many years. Why do I have to wait so long? I was willing to sacrifice my life for America...But now when I need help, the embassy is not helping me.” We have received thousands of similar messages. 11/15

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We as a nation made a promise to these people who helped us; right now we are failing them. Biden has not yet committed to stay in Afghanistan until we get all eligible SIVs wanting to depart. We can and should make that commitment.12/15

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REMOVE AUG31 DEADLINE: Panic is fueled in part by deadline set before collapse. Biden said willing to stay longer if needed, but military still planning on Aug31. This is increasing panic as people feel they have only 11 days left. We should commit to stay as long as needed 13/15

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US VETERANS/NATSEC COMMUNITY: I have been unbelievably moved by US veterans/servicemembers and national security officials working to help those who helped us. “I know he would do the same for me,” one said about their Afghan counterpart. Thank you all. 14/15

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My team is working around the clock to process every name we receive. We can make no promises on whether we can help everyone, but will do our best. If others need help, write RepKimEvac@mail.house.gov. Latest info from US gov here https://state.gov/afghanistan-inquiries/ END

NowThis
@nowthisnews
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Heartbreaking footage shows the desperation at Kabul airport following the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan’s capital city. Afghan parents can be seen hoisting their children, some visibly still babies, into the hands of U.S. soldiers on the other side of a security wall.

Clarissa Ward
@clarissaward
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On our flight and getting ready for takeoff

Cowboy's daughter wrote:Clarissa Ward
@clarissaward
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On our flight and getting ready for takeoff

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9Q-0xjWEAMCkcW?format=jpg&name=small

I see so many engineers, lawyers, scientists and teachers coming to the west.

par far wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:Clarissa Ward
@clarissaward
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On our flight and getting ready for takeoff

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9Q-0xjWEAMCkcW?format=jpg&name=small

I see so many engineers, lawyers, scientists and teachers coming to the west.

and what would they be under the Taliban??

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

par far wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:Clarissa Ward
@clarissaward
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58m
On our flight and getting ready for takeoff

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9Q-0xjWEAMCkcW?format=jpg&name=small

I see so many engineers, lawyers, scientists and teachers coming to the west.

and what would they be under the Taliban??

What I said was that I see so many engineers, lawyers, scientists and teachers coming to the west, what I should have said is that I see a lot of rapists, pedophilia's, violent criminals, terrorists and welfare letches coming to the west.

According to top Russian Diplomat, 2/3 of the Taliban is listening to Russia, while 1/3 is not.

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

Heartbreaking footage shows the desperation at Kabul airport following the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan’s capital city. Afghan parents can be seen hoisting their children, some visibly still babies, into the hands of U.S. soldiers on the other side of a security wall.

I think the most of us here are not the blue-checkmark brigade here like they are on twitter.
over-politicising any post to the extreme.

I just hope, That when these troops return home. Their experiences and opinions do not get shoved under the carpet.
These guys are doing an very difficult job under very difficult circumstances. That propably did not occur in the last 20 years at least.
If it ever gets brought up in your fammily or friends, point out these guys picked kids from an crowd.
While back home everyone refused to take any responsibility.

Respect the people that went trough this, Do not let the Politicians and millitary leadership get away with this.

Airbornewolf wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

Heartbreaking footage shows the desperation at Kabul airport following the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan’s capital city. Afghan parents can be seen hoisting their children, some visibly still babies, into the hands of U.S. soldiers on the other side of a security wall.

I think the most of us here are not the blue-checkmark brigade here like they are on twitter.
over-politicising any post to the extreme.

I just hope, That when these troops return home. Their experiences and opinions do not get shoved under the carpet.
These guys are doing an very difficult job under very difficult circumstances. That propably did not occur in the last 20 years at least.
If it ever gets brought up in your fammily or friends, point out these guys picked kids from an crowd.
While back home everyone refused to take any responsibility.

Respect the people that went trough this, Do not let the Politicians and millitary leadership get away with this.

Thank you for posting these!

Airbornewolf wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Not the most well-thought through plan to escape Kabul

https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1427545109831192585

At least now I know how the magic-carpet ride ended.

I saw it too pass around on Pakistani groups about how "evil" the american pilots where for this and cheering on the Taliban.
But Pakistan will reap the consequences somewhere.....




I am still watching in amazement how absolutely moronic our western politicians are.
"lets evacuate 10.000's of afghans"
"make demands to Taliban".
With morons like this,we rightfully deserve any defeat we get.

Seriously, this would be a pretty good time for dumb politicians to shut up, tell your troops to pack up and get out of there.

You got pushed back to ONE airfield in the middle of Afghanistan.
6000 of your men are surrounded by an country full of taliban. NO support to speak off.
Only armed with light infantry weapons.
Its an flat airfield, what defensive positions are there?.

Not to mention you need heavy, slow aircraft that take off and land.
We lost, the war is over. Don't go test out the patience of your enemy.
They are still kind of miffed about us waging war on them for the last 20 years.

They might be Taliban.
But respect the fact they don't attack your aircraft, as they sure as hell have the capacity to do so, and let you go.
Things could have been worse, FAR worse for the NATO presence still on Kabul Airport.
Things can always change on a moments notice, never waste precious time you are given.

I'm not sure if this is your post that I'm looking for, but just read an article that confirms what you say.


I may have trouble finding what I read.

Airbornewolf wrote:just to write some of my toughts here:

In my service time, doing airborne logistics and in preparation for Afghanistan we ran a lot of "what if" scenario's and trough a lot of historical operations involving air assets.
Mostly we learned the vulnerabilities of rotary and fixed aircraft. And things that happened in the past so we did not made the same mistakes.

Of course the Somalia incident passed by, but also the french battle in vietnam of Dien Bien FU millitary airfield.
Also we had this briefing about the 1975 Tan Son Nhut C-5 accident.

It was an C-5 Galaxy doing evacuation flight's, just as they are happening now in Kabul.
It took off full of evacuees, mostly kids.
It experienced mechanical failure in it's cargo doors and experienced explosive decompression.
Tearing away hydraulic lines in the rear resulting in loss of control of the tail and its elevators.

Its pilots tried their best, but crash-landed in an rice paddy field where it broke into pieces.

Documentary if this incident here;
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7tn8j4

The lesson here was, It could have as well just been an light MANPAD or AA fire that could have caused the same scale of damage.
heavy cargo aircraft in take-off and landing are defenseless. It is akin to target practice.

No ammount of millitary threat's, no matter how much forces you put on an airfield. No matter how much air-cover you send.
As long Aircraft are inside range of effective weapon range, they are sitting ducks.
It takes one hydraulic cirquit severed to send aicraft packed with hundreds of people out of control.

They will NOT get away safely, if the Enemy does not allow it.
If an pressurised cabin is breached, and to ensure survival of passengers Aircraft need to descent to 10.000 feet/3KM to ensure an safe level for passengers.
Afghanistan is already 2KM above sea-level. flying at 1 KM above the ground the entire god-forsaken way back to Qatar/dubai is not an option.

I have seen B-52's, F-18's and ELINT survaillance aircraft moving in Afghanistan for the last two days.
Doing missions that have nothing to do with the Evac mission.

I just hope personally, that Biden/Pentagon will not make any dumb moves that will make the Taliban decide that the unobstructed Evac flights are off the table. And take retalitory actions.

The Taliban has MANPADS. They had them always but used them sparingly.
This is footage of an Afghan MI-17 hit with an Manpad. You see it'goes for the heat exchaust and detonates its fragmenting warhead.
It happened the Behsud district of Wardak east of the city of Jalalabad in Afghanistan.

This is your post I was thinking of.

Our boys' last stand in Kabul: Drama as British paratroopers desperately hold the line amid airport anarchy in Afghanistan as ministers admit it may be engulfed within 48 hours

As pictures showed airport being surrounded by scenes of anarchy, the Paras mounted a frantic last stand
Women and children were crushed in a stampede as huge crowds tried to escape the Afghan capital of Kabul
US President Joe Biden admitted last night that he could not guarantee what the ‘final outcome’ would be
Boris Johnson said Britain was having to ‘manage the consequences’ of decision by the US to withdraw troops


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9913271/Our-boys-stand-Kabul-British-paratroopers-desperately-hold-line-Afghanistan.html


this catastrophic disaster.’

One for all and all for nothing: He saw our heroes fight and die. In this heartbreaking account that every minister must read the bitterness of Joe Biden's Afghanistan betrayal is captured by war correspondent RICHARD PENDLEBURY

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9913341/Joe-Bidens-Afghanistan-betrayal-captured-war-correspondent-RICHARD-PENDLEBURY.html

par far wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

par far wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:Clarissa Ward
@clarissaward
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58m
On our flight and getting ready for takeoff

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9Q-0xjWEAMCkcW?format=jpg&name=small

I see so many engineers, lawyers, scientists and teachers coming to the west.

and what would they be under the Taliban??

What I said was that I see so many engineers, lawyers, scientists and teachers coming to the west, what I should have said is that I see a lot of rapists, pedophilia's, violent criminals, terrorists and welfare letches coming to the west.

If this was an 2015 scenario i would agree.
Europe could not handle the migrant influx, and while i was still in the millitary we even got litteral shit and random items thrown at us as we supported the relocation and housing of refugee's.

I do not want a repeat of that either.
All very sad engineers and scientists and teachers, aged 20 to 35, male and alone.
while acting like animals when the wifi speed was not fast enough while holding iphones.
But seemingly had no problems assaulting police.

But What is dripping now from Afghanistan are short video's and pictures. It is extremely hard to get proper context here.
Trough old NATO contacts i know Kabul Airport is one gigantic mess. Every nation is scurrying around trying to do their own thing while the Americans try their best to hold on to the airport.
The U.S commander there does not know how long he can hold on.
It might be 2 days, might be 5, maybe 10.

British special air service made a deal with the Taliban and ventures at night into Kabul.
French special police units as well, they got their own deals with the Taliban as well.
German KSK is on Kabul airbase, trying to deploy two helicopters now and go on rescue missions.

Taliban went to the americans after the U.S complained people where stranded behind their checkpoints.
Taliban pointed out some of their checkpoints have people that can not read Western documents. So if they look afghan, they turn them back.
There are around 20.000 to 30.000 people trying to get on the Airfield, Mostly without legitimate documents.

Aircraft have just 20 to 30 minutes to get their passenger's, as Tanker's overhead that flew with them to Kabul are waiting to top off their fuel tanks mid-air for the return flight back to Qatar/Dubai, they got such extremely tight schedules there are no possibilities to deviate from.

So some return empty, some return stuffed full at the last minute with any people they could find inside the base.

the 1/3 are probably old and many of them from the jails.

The 2/3 are important as they are the leadership and main power behind Taliban.

PapaDragon wrote:

par far wrote:...What I said was that I see so many engineers, lawyers, scientists and teachers coming to the west, what I should have said is that I see a lot of rapists, pedophilia's, violent criminals, terrorists and welfare letches coming to the west....

Take it easy on the pearl clutching, you ain't there and the precious west already has plenty of people you listed on it's own

par far wrote:According to top Russian Diplomat, 2/3 of the Taliban is listening to Russia, while 1/3 is not...

2/3 are listening?

Us highschool teachers call this situation: "Close enough, I can work with this"

I don't care for the politicians or "west" itself but I worry about the women and children that were raped and hurt by the immigrants, they don't need anymore.

par far wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

par far wrote:...What I said was that I see so many engineers, lawyers, scientists and teachers coming to the west, what I should have said is that I see a lot of rapists, pedophilia's, violent criminals, terrorists and welfare letches coming to the west....

Take it easy on the pearl clutching, you ain't there and the precious west already has plenty of people you listed on it's own

par far wrote:According to top Russian Diplomat, 2/3 of the Taliban is listening to Russia, while 1/3 is not...

2/3 are listening?

Us highschool teachers call this situation: "Close enough, I can work with this"

I don't care for the politicians or "west" itself but I worry about the women and children that were raped and hurt by the immigrants, they don't need anymore.

I worry more for the children. Most western woman are woke or push the woke agenda and thus will only end up getting what they wished in the end.

ilham
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AFG: no any formal govt or rule of law. Businesses closed throughout AFG. Banks out of service. Hundreds of thousands of civil servants, teachers, and those who served in the security forces won’t get paid anytime soon. Aid has stopped and assets frozen. It’s a total collapse!



Hardline Haqqani Network Put in Charge of Kabul Security
By Jamie Dettmer
August 19, 2021 11:13 AM
The Taliban has placed security for the Afghan capital, Kabul, in the hands of senior members of the Haqqani Network, which has close ties with foreign jihadist groups including a long-standing association with al-Qaida.

https://www.voanews.com/south-central-asia/hardline-haqqani-network-put-charge-kabul-security


Lauren Katzenberg
@Lkatzenberg
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Khalil Haqqani, the leader of one of the most powerful and violent Taliban factions, appeared at Friday prayers in Kabul carrying an American-made M4 rifle and accompanied by a security detail dressed in high-end American combat gear.