The Situation in the Ukraine. #31

The US desperately needs Russia to invade, their markets are tanking over thousands of points

Russia does not budge, they stick close to Poland

EU is throwing a wrench in the works for US and UK, zelensky is willing to suicide, but DPR and LPR are enough to handle him

ATLASCUB wrote:

Ruble tumbles as Ukraine tensions rumble

Stock indexes around the world crashed hard yesterday. Like 2-4% in a day. Oil is still down over 1% today. Its not like the Ruble just went down while everything else was normal.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Is anyone watching the stockmarket? Nasdaq and S&P are tanking, bitcoin lost 50%

The entire market is erupting

Russia knows the sanctions will be weakened in the coming recession

Game is on

The plunge protection team sprung into action. Print some money, make everything green again.

Backman, that is not currently possible, Biden and his team printed roughly 6 trillion already

The Stock markets have lost roughly 20% since last week alone

Jerome Powell and the FED are currently meeting and on wednesday he will announce whether he will raise the interest rate or not

As the super bubble explodes, there is no choice but to increase rate to protect from hyperinflation

This choice will add to the stock market woes and trickle into housing and individual credit debt

The shit hit the proverbial fan, that is why the US is desperately pushing Ukraine to suicide

The EU however smells the blood in the water and breaks ranks, this is a precipitous moment for US leadership

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4472850.html

Arkanghelsk wrote:Backman, that is not currently possible, Biden and his team printed roughly 6 trillion already

The Stock markets have lost roughly 20% since last week alone

Jerome Powell and the FED are currently meeting and on wednesday he will announce whether he will raise the interest rate or not

As the super bubble explodes, there is no choice but to increase rate to protect from hyperinflation

This choice will add to the stock market woes and trickle into housing and individual credit debt

The shit hit the proverbial fan, that is why the US is desperately pushing Ukraine to suicide

The EU however smells the blood in the water and breaks ranks, this is a precipitous moment for US leadership

For the EU to even mildly try to oppose US, situation really needs to be very bad. Not looking good in any way, and Russia seems to be getting ready not for contention of the nazis in Donbass, but for a wide front war or at least widespread provocation. F*cking insane

BTW, if these news below are true, together with the clown finally caving-in, then it looks war has been already decided  

Ukraine says three embassies are evacuating diplomats while others are staying put
Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council AlexeyDanilov stressed evacuations were announced by the US, UK and Australia

KIEV, January 24. /TASS/. A Ukrainian national security official on Monday said the numbers of foreign diplomats leaving the country aren’t too large as only three embassies are evacuating their staff while 49 other diplomatic missions are staying as they were.

"As of today, we have information about three embassies," Alexey Danilov, the secretary of the National Security and Defense Council, said at a news conference in comments about how many embassies were sending some staff out of the country. "Forty-nine countries aren’t part of that."

Danilov said evacuations were announced by the US, UK and Australia.

Ukraine doesn’t see a great number of departures, he said.

https://tass.com/world/1392493

Isn't it too obvious that the three rats are abandoning the ship?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60118193

Another article... https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/nato-reinforces-eastern-borders-as-ukraine-tensions-mount/ar-AAT58Y2?ocid=entnewsntp

It is always good to read Ishchenko to see beyond the appearances:

The Blinken Oath, the Britannia Plan, and Scholz's proposal

https://ukraina.ru/opinion/20220124/1033134205.html

Arkanghelsk wrote:Germans having meltdown, they fired their naval chief for complimenting putin

They blocked Estonia from sending weapons to Ukraine

Scholz rejected a meeting with Biden

Then they invite russia to NATO

They are cracking under the pressure,  but ship has sailed, power of siberia 2 will take all the capacity from those fields supplying nord stream 2

So germany wrecked the EU economy and regrets it. Oh well, they can buy LNG , and Nord stream 2 should be routed to kaliningrad where they can buy the gas from kaliningrad,

If Power of Siberia 2 takes all the capacity idk what Putin can tell them...they should have thought of this sooner

All this for Ukraine, which was never joining the eu anyway... cant fix stupid!

Germany needs to shut up and tow the party line. Same goes for Biden, either that or pack him off to a retirement home.

What is all this hysteria about Ukraine?

If Washington wants to send arms to Kiev, it's okay!

Remember Ryabkov did not bring the "non ultimatum" to Zelensky,  he brought it to Blinken.

Ergo, the problem was, is, and remains NATO. Not Ukraine. There is no plan to invade Ukraine.

The DPR and LPR can handle it themselves, we saw this at Donetsk Airport, Ilovaisk, and Debaltseve.

The losses were so horrendous, the West orchestrated MH17 to save Ukraine.

Russia has absolutely no need to invade Ukraine.

What is there in Ukraine? Is there Aegis Ashore? Is there Arleigh Burke? No. There is javelins and NLAWS.

This is hardly a worry for Russia.

The worry for Russia which we are waiting and expecting a written response for, is NATO expansion

Ukraine can join EU, by all means we are waiting 7 years for Ukraine to join EU, I mean guys dont keep them waiting.

But NATO no, they will not join it. That is why there are 150,000 Russians and 10 combined arms armies, in Belarus, Northern Russia, and Southern Russia, to defend from NATO.

We did not put S400 in Minsk to protect from Ukrainian F35, we put them there to protect from Polish F35, We put 1st GTA not to defend from Ukrainian prostitutes,  but from NATO 1st armored brigade.

So the question is, why does the media continue to repeat that war in Ukraine is imminent? Nothing will force russias hand.

It will take them years to build Aegis Ashore there, some javelins and NLAWS hardly bother russian stavka.

So I repeat, the focus is NATO, they must return to 1997 positions, and remove AEGIS ASHORE.

We are taking military technical measures to stop NATO expansion, Including wargames near Ireland with 500km kh35 that can reach London.

And I am hearing that we are coming to Cuba very soon

If Americans want to sanction, by all means guys dont keep us waiting, we are wanting a smartphone industry for years now, and also SPFS would be very nice to be using instead of SWIFT,  we have no problem with American sanctions. 

But it does not change the main premise, 

No NATO expansion, no NATO weapons, and No NATO near Russia. 

If we must sail to Ireland 100 times,  and fly tu160 over venezuela permanently , then it will be so! 

But dont keep us waiting, our smartphone guys are getting excited

Does anyone know how much gas the Ukraine has left in storage?

The whole house of cards rest on IMF loans. The agency of the clowns in Kiev is a smokescreen. The CIA/MI6 run the show, and have assets everywhere. The clowns serving oligarchs in Ukraine who somehow believe have agency outside U.S/UK control are living a dream. It's going to be a chicken pen run amok when Russian assets reveal themselves too - the expected and unexpected. A fucking mess.

https://www.rt.com/russia/547228-ukraine-panic-embassies-danilov/

Well... I cannot say I have seen it all, but I think I am close

Zelensky government in response to American evacuation from Kiev, says:

The fact that the US was the first one to announce this is extremely disappointing,” the source is quoted as saying, adding that “quite frankly these Americans are safer in Kiev than they are in Los Angeles ... or any other crime-ridden city in the US.”

“This is their territory, they have the right to move left and right there. Is it unpleasant for us? Yes, it’s unpleasant, but it’s not news to us. If this is news to someone in the West, I apologize,” he said.

FFS

The Ukrainians have rebelled against the masters !!!!

So guys, Ukraine is saying they dont know why the Americans are evacuating embassy staff

Kiev is safer than los angeles

And 2) russia has the right to move on it's own border

They've lost the plot here




Something tells me the most embarassing thing for washington is if Zelensky gets that meeting with Putin and cuts the Yankees out of the dealing. 

Well there is a Normandy meeting scheduled.. cue the cold water

https://www.rt.com/russia/547235-eu-aid-investment-ukraine-billions/

Alright its official, the EU has broken ranks with the US and UK,

We have Ukraine and the EU denying a big war, the EU resolves the situation, throwing a 1.2 billion dollar bone to the one day you will be EU members 404. 

404 in turn embarrasses USA , claiming Kiev is safer the Los Angeles.

I didnt expect this shiz

https://www.google.com/amp/s/tass.com/world/1392535/amp

Zelensky got his meeting with Putin, EU plays hero, and Russia walks away with Nord Stream 2 , I mean you cant write fiction this good


Now we are back to the good stuff

Where is that written response?

I looked at the map of Ukraine . About 30% of central Ukraine , dates back to more than 300 years old . About 30% of Eastern and southern section , dates back 100 years old , gifted ? By Russia . And the rest are about 70 years old , additions from Poland and Romania etc . No wonder we see ethnic conflict . Ukraine is patchwork of many different rags , sewn together , with flimsy thread . To keep this patchwork intact , then a loose federation , recognising this character is needed .

The response to the " Not-ultimatum" , I think was given yesterday . By " NATO" , meaning the yanks , moving more planes etc , into Eastern Europe . I think Russia knew this , but allowed for greater thinking time , by asking for written response . The Russian response seems to be , as GarryB said , to move Russian forces foreward to within closer striking distance of " NATO" , meaning the yanks and Brits , targets . And these may involve non-conventional forces . In other words a Nuclear escalation .

As far as Ukraine joining NATO , I think it will add to the problem , as far as Russia concerned . But by itself will not induce an invasion by Russia . Nor will an attack by Kiev against Donetsk or Lugansk region , induce direct involvement by Russia . Unless these forces can not resist , and population there is subject to ethnic cleansing .

Russia can have a different policy towards the American and British , than towards Germany and France or Europe . The main cause of these tensions are the yanks . Without them , Europe will be altogether a different and a better place . Just imagine . So better have the Submarines , play war games , in the Caribbean Sea , as well as the Irish coast .

Arkanghelsk wrote:https://www.rt.com/russia/547235-eu-aid-investment-ukraine-billions/

Alright its official, the EU has broken ranks with the US and UK,

We have Ukraine and the EU denying a big war, the EU resolves the situation, throwing a 1.2 billion dollar bone to the one day you will be EU members 404. 

404 in turn embarrasses USA , claiming Kiev is safer the Los Angeles.

I didnt expect this shiz

https://www.google.com/amp/s/tass.com/world/1392535/amp

Zelensky got his meeting with Putin, EU plays hero, and Russia walks away with Nord Stream 2 , I mean you cant write fiction this good


Now we are back to the good stuff

Where is that written response?

Wow, is that for real? What is next, Zelensky calls CSTO to liberate Ukraine from the Banderite, Pashinyan announces the deployment and Saakashvili becomes the first governor of Novorossiya?

Well the Ukrainians aren't happy about being used for cannon fodder

It seems the eerie departure of American, British, and Israeli diplomats has caused a sense of impending doom for Ukraines elite

This has led to Ukraine essentially saying that it is normal for Russia to move troops around, and that they themselves don't know why Washington is leaving, given that foggy bottom is more dangerous than Kiev.

Now I do not know the veracity of those statements, I know chicago and Los Angeles have more deaths per capita per annum from gun violence than the war in Ukraine

The next key detail, is that Europe has swept into action without coordination with US or UK

Someone wants their Nord Stream 2 back, and no war

Now it makes sense why German Naval chief, and Scholz were making contradictory statements about Putin and Russia when Biden wanted full war declarations

So the EU is pacifying 404, and they have scheduled Normandy meeting for end of January right before the olympics, they want to assure that no war is happening, and that if this ends peacefully the gas deal is in play , they want to make sure the Yamal Peninsular gas fields will remain supplying the EU

DC and London are getting shafted here, they won't like Ukraine talking out of hand like this when they were given millions in weapons

But hey dealing with Ukraine is akin to dealing with a flea bitten dog, so there you go

And as for the EU, they gave 1.2 billion euros to Kiev... so let's frame this for a second. Washington and London give Kiev some javelins and NLAWS worth 300 million essentially to go kill themselves.

EU gives them 1.2 billion euros, to step back from the brink.

At the same time the UAF is pulling out of the contact line

And VMF moves to Ireland... il let you decipher the code

What we are seeing is quite remarkable and I fully agree you cannot make this shit up. The Anglo elites have pushed Ukraine and EU so far and so blatantly towards the cliff, that the lackeys have apparently rebelled, created an impossible alliance and turned the situation around on the spot with a stunning move. I can imagine the frantic level of activity going on right now in the UKUS, Russia, EU and Ukraine right now, sadly the balance of power in those last two is still not so strongly in favour of a pacific solution, but forced to commit suicide it is clear that some elites in continental Europe (probably headed by German industrials) have decided to take the risk. When this Analena idiot was forced to go to Moskow with the tail between her legs it was clear strong forces were in motion in Germany. By now these very significative actions (Normandy meeting, EU accepting the burden of 404, direct contradiction by EU of UKUS narrative, block of weapons shipment etc) have been only been watered down by totally inconsequential threats from NATO countries against Russia "in case they attack Ukraine", which of course they would not do even if forced to so will remain just empty words if the ukies behave. Low risk strategy to keep appearances of an "unity of the West", which is totally broken by now. UKUS will play the chihuahua card (Baltics + Poland) and that explains why the majority of Russian forces are in Belarus ready to demand "10 eyes for an eye" if for instance any stupid thing is done vs Kaliningrad. Balics better behave if they don't want to lose their tiny connection corridor with their "allies", which would be a tempting trophy for Russia BTW. At the same time, Iran has halted the gas shipments to Turkey while the situation in Northern Syria has aggravated and VKS in full force has started patrolling the skies close to the Golan heights with the Syrian AF, bowing to start doing this from now onwards. Add that to the Russian activity near Ireland and Latin America you mention and many other movements going on right now, it is clear that we are witnessing a true virtual world war. I hope it stays that way and does not turn into a real one, in case the Anglos see what awaits them after their fall and decide to pull all stops out of desperation. Last days and hours prove that every situation can turn 180 degrees in the last minute, and by the acceleration of events it seems we are indeed nearing some decisive moment.

USA diplomats packing bags upset Zelensky because 404s are losing their precious meat-shields

kvs wrote:NATzO has been bitching about Kaliningrad for years with increasing intensity.   So it would not be surprising if they did tried to
pull a move on it.   They are, after all, insane and own koolaid drinkers.   Listen to all the drivel over the last 20+ years and you
would think that Russia would never escalate out of some advantageous for NATzO conventional conflict.   In other words, if
NATzO attacks, then Russia would just roll over.  

But Russia does not have to escalate.   It can mop the floor with NATzO in a conventional war.   This includes the invincible Americans.
The U-ropeans are strictly secondary especially in 2022.    

Yeah, I don't think they will even try. They have cold feet over Ukraine and Iran. I doubt they would even consider it.  Best case for them is attempting to infiltrate the population in Kaliningrad. So Russia just needs to make sure their needs are met.

I mean, if the Baltic states want to give it a try, then go ahead.

OK does anyone have any predictions.
BUT please don't telegraph any inside information from Russia or something that might harm Russia's efforts to fix the situation.

Here's my thoughts/observations:-

1)Normally Russia acts quickly and unexpectedly. This time its different. Troops stationed for long periods of time - as if to send a message.
Is that the plan?

2)The Western economy seems to be really tanking.
The fact is, the gigantic bailout for the (in large part) BS Covid affair was expensive. Inflation is roaring.
AMerica typically has a war at times like this.
ALtho a war vs Russia would be the most asinine one ever.
Likely even the FINAL war ever!

3)Will it all kick off somewhere else?
Taiwan? Iran v Saudi? US presence booted out of the M East?
Will Poland try and take part of the Pukraine?

4)Is a Russia friendly coup in the Ukraine plausible at the moment?
I would hope so, but where would its support be? The South and East? Or could it get support in the centre to any extent?

What could Russia do at the request of any new govt? Troops into the S and East to fully secure pro Russian areas?
What happens in the Centre and West of the Ukraine? I would guess all it could do would be to stop Americans/similar invading ie place Russian troops on the Ukraine's Western borders, then leave the Bandera-shite to somewhat self govern a region there.

That way, a federal Ukraine could gradually take shape... if things went smoothly.
Sadly, Georgia is still a bit of a mess 13 yrs after Ru military action.
Of course Russia would be welcomed by many in the Ukraine. But the Ukraine has plenty of morons too.


5)Where else might there be flashpoints?
WHat could Russia do to safeguard the rights of Russians in the Baltics?
I'm not aware of any geographical division in the Baltics. Nor am I aware of any potential for a coup.
So how would Russia improve its position there? Sounds hard.

6)Could other areas of GAYTO be involved? Poland, Romania, Bulgaria?
I can't see much chance of a coup in these places. Altho Bulgaria I think has some Russia friendly groups.
Russia could ask for these places to be partly demilitarised buffers, along with the 3 Baltics.
But how does Russia put pressure that way?
It can deploy forces to parts of the Ukraine. But these areas... infinitely less likely.

7)Surely its time for Russia to give America a taste of its own "hybrid warfare" by backing disaffected groups in the US?
It might make America think twice in the future.

Kicking the can further down the path.

US will probably just print more money (calling it emergency QE or something) and keeping interests low. Threaten Russia and saying they are about to invade (another country years of this). Ukraine further isolated and economically weaken till it collapses or claims default and finds economic miracles....

In the US, no one wants to be "the one who destroyed the economy". So it will be same old same old.

PapaDragon wrote:
Does anyone know how much gas the Ukraine has left in storage?

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