The Situation in the Ukraine. #32

Arkanghelsk wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:https://www.rt.com/russia/550069-putin-biden-meeting-macron/

Drag race. Talk more.

Lmfao but I thought the master players in DC had everything under control? 

Or is it dawning on them that they have run out of time?

ATLASCUB wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:https://www.rt.com/russia/550069-putin-biden-meeting-macron/

Drag race. Talk more.

Lmfao but I thought the master players in DC had everything under control? 

Or is it dawning on them that they have run out of time?

Black is white?

This is the ultimatum that keeps dragging and dragging. Supposedly it wasn't going to be allowed to be dragged. Meanwhile 2/3s of the Russian army are parked around Ukraine's borders. You know what U.S soldiers are doing? fucking girls, at home and abroad.

Here is what's going to occur. Putin is going to get unconditional surrender terms once again, with sweeteners for the home crowd to be sold as a win for diplomacy and compromise. The loser always gets something, it's part of making a deal you can't refuse. Putin will have the choice of taking it or leaving it. Just as Putin's had it for the past 3 weeks+. Just as the Russians have had it since 1991 if you think about it.

The off ramp as it's called. Confidence building measures will be plenty to reassure Putin's confidence is the western anglo-saxon word - best in class. All these negotiations need is for Gorbachev to be the main man in the ribbon cutting ceremony. A new age!

par far wrote:

Why don't you go join them?

ATLASCUB wrote:

Black is white?

This is the ultimatum that keeps dragging and dragging. Supposedly it wasn't going to be allowed to be dragged. Meanwhile 2/3s of the Russian army are parked around Ukraine's borders. You know what U.S soldiers are doing? fucking girls, at home and abroad.

Here is what's going to occur. Putin is going to get unconditional surrender terms once again, with sweeteners for the home crowd to be sold as a win for diplomacy and compromise. The loser always gets something, it's part of making a deal you can't refuse. Putin will have the choice of taking it or leaving it. Just as Putin's had it for the past 3 weeks+. Just as the Russians have had it since 1991 if you think about it.

The off ramp as it's called. Confidence building measures will be plenty to reassure Putin's confidence is the western anglo-saxon word - best in class. All these negotiations need is for Gorbachev to be the main man in the ribbon cutting ceremony. A new age!

sundoesntrise wrote:

And then to think that only 8 weeks ago Big V. came out full of confidence swinging his dick talking big game about how a new security architecture was necessary in Europe. I think he even demanded it.

So far he has scored a devestating 0/12 on those infamous 'security guarantees' . I am sure people still remember those, even though the news cycle is fast and many are ideologically invested in this conflict.

Despite what Western dissenters say, Russian diplomacy has been absolute dogshit in the Ukraine conflict. Compare that to Kazakhstan for instance, which was a swift effective and sound victory. The US knew, from the start, that the coded Kremlin threats (like parking half the Russian Army on the border) were just that, empty threats. Meanwhile Kremlin to scared to use that other Trump-card they hold - they run the European economies through their energy supplies. The (((business community))) told P. not to mess with that one though. If Putin were really serious he'd turn that tap off for a couple weeks and clean house a second time - oligarchs have a habit of re-establishing themselves after a while.

See the rats scurry around. It would be a much needed wake-up call for many in the West

Putin is outmanoeuvred, plain and simple. It's by now obvious he is dead scared of going into Ukraine. All his bluffs (recognizing LDPR, invasion) have been called and there is zero progress on the diplomatic front.

The only way out (aside from total capitulation or military intervention) is some sort of farcical deal wherein Russia gets some breadcrumbs but none of the 'security guarantees' will be implemented.

At this point the only thing I am curious about is how it will get spun. Although not sure if it will stick, even some usually pretty pro Putin Russian TG groups are starting to get impatient and critical.

Regular wrote:https://vk.com/wall-123538639_2193113

Why in this day soldiers have to live in such conditions and starve? Covid, TB, Flu... A recipe for filling up medical tents without the war.

Regular wrote:https://vk.com/wall-123538639_2193113

Why in this day soldiers have to live in such conditions and starve? Covid, TB, Flu... A recipe for filling up medical tents without the war.

sundoesntrise wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:

Black is white?

This is the ultimatum that keeps dragging and dragging. Supposedly it wasn't going to be allowed to be dragged. Meanwhile 2/3s of the Russian army are parked around Ukraine's borders. You know what U.S soldiers are doing? fucking girls, at home and abroad.

Here is what's going to occur. Putin is going to get unconditional surrender terms once again, with sweeteners for the home crowd to be sold as a win for diplomacy and compromise. The loser always gets something, it's part of making a deal you can't refuse. Putin will have the choice of taking it or leaving it. Just as Putin's had it for the past 3 weeks+. Just as the Russians have had it since 1991 if you think about it.

The off ramp as it's called. Confidence building measures will be plenty to reassure Putin's confidence is the western anglo-saxon word - best in class. All these negotiations need is for Gorbachev to be the main man in the ribbon cutting ceremony. A new age!

And then to think that only 8 weeks ago Big V. came out full of confidence swinging his dick talking big game about how a new security architecture was necessary in Europe. I think he even demanded it.

So far he has scored a devestating 0/12 on those infamous 'security guarantees' . I am sure people still remember those, even though the news cycle is fast and many are ideologically invested in this conflict.

Despite what Western dissenters say, Russian diplomacy has been absolute dogshit in the Ukraine conflict. Compare that to Kazakhstan for instance, which was a swift effective and sound victory. The US knew, from the start, that the coded Kremlin threats (like parking half the Russian Army on the border) were just that, empty threats. Meanwhile Kremlin to scared to use that other Trump-card they hold - they run the European economies through their energy supplies. The (((business community))) told P. not to mess with that one though. If Putin were really serious he'd turn that tap off for a couple weeks and clean house a second time - oligarchs have a habit of re-establishing themselves after a while.

See the rats scurry around. It would be a much needed wake-up call for many in the West

Putin is outmanoeuvred, plain and simple. It's by now obvious he is dead scared of going into Ukraine. All his bluffs (recognizing LDPR, invasion) have been called and there is zero progress on the diplomatic front.

The only way out (aside from total capitulation or military intervention) is some sort of farcical deal wherein Russia gets some breadcrumbs but none of the 'security guarantees' will be implemented.

At this point the only thing I am curious about is how it will get spun. Although not sure if it will stick, even some usually pretty pro Putin Russian TG groups are starting to get impatient and critical.

miketheterrible wrote:

Man, I dunno where your experience is from, but I suggest you keep it to yourself.

Ukraine has been and always will be a black hole. Russia got what it wanted out of Crimea. No one in the west saw how fast they would react.

The Russians know that Ukraine is the bait.  They won't take it.  They are letting DNR and LNR forces handle it, why bother with yourself to handle it?  Only make the risk if Ukraine goes full out and it hasn't. We haven't seen them go full out for years.  They aren't even sure themselves either so they won't make such a brazen move.

sundoesntrise wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

Man, I dunno where your experience is from, but I suggest you keep it to yourself.

Ukraine has been and always will be a black hole. Russia got what it wanted out of Crimea. No one in the west saw how fast they would react.

The Russians know that Ukraine is the bait.  They won't take it.  They are letting DNR and LNR forces handle it, why bother with yourself to handle it?  Only make the risk if Ukraine goes full out and it hasn't. We haven't seen them go full out for years.  They aren't even sure themselves either so they won't make such a brazen move.

I was talking about security guarantees.

Why spin the discussion away from this topic?

thegopnik wrote:please if more shelling occurs there better be kalibrs flying to Kiev.

miketheterrible wrote:It's fine to have an opinion, but all this is muddling up the thread.

miketheterrible wrote:

sundoesntrise wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

Man, I dunno where your experience is from, but I suggest you keep it to yourself.

Ukraine has been and always will be a black hole. Russia got what it wanted out of Crimea. No one in the west saw how fast they would react.

The Russians know that Ukraine is the bait.  They won't take it.  They are letting DNR and LNR forces handle it, why bother with yourself to handle it?  Only make the risk if Ukraine goes full out and it hasn't. We haven't seen them go full out for years.  They aren't even sure themselves either so they won't make such a brazen move.

I was talking about security guarantees.

Why spin the discussion away from this topic?

Didn't. You are the one spreading bullshit anyway.  And it isn't the topic at hand either. It's the conflict in Ukraine, not how you feel Putin should respond to security guarantees that you yourself misinterpreted anyway.

So spare us.

Hopefully GarryB responds to my request of cleaning up this thread and kicking moron trolls out.  I would say, due to the nature of this conflict, it's best we resort to posting facts about the conflict rather than emotional diatribe that isn't exactly related or only partially.  It's fine to have an opinion, but all this is muddling up the thread.

I doubt that he is allowed to talk with Separatist regions or his own people. I also doubt that he is facing the threat to be killed by nazis as even before his entrance into politics, nazis were defanged so they wouldn't threaten the current gov. He might use it as an excuse, but it's his handlers that have him by the balls.

Now Zelensky is even less western than me. This bastard started censoring the media, started jailing his opponents, and so on. As much as I hate Poroshenko, but at least there would be hope for some negotiations. Now there's none.

Your biggest mistake, in your attempts to mischaracterize me to fit a strawman that you can easily attack is trying to shoehorn me as a PRO-NATO shill and on their "side".

You can't form any line of attack that doesn't revolve around that western boogeyman, including your missteps by openly discriminating against westerners with inflammatory and phobic language.

If only you knew my nationality... lol1 what a fucking fool.

You're in shambles and it didn't take much. I ignored your nonsense and modus operandi cause you're a waste of time... realized that the first couple of times I analyzed your posting patterns and schtick - long ago. A simple partisan, propaganda hack. But since you couldn't help yourself in doing what you do.. well.... You get what you ask for. A good thrashing.

The fact is simple, you lied and lie all over place and are intellectually dishonest in your argumentations... picking low hanging fruits and targets that stray of the narrative opportunistically (specially if their intellectual capacity or subject knowledge is lower). You can't run away from that, no matter the size of the walls of text you type with nonsense.

Kinda funny to see you flustered about losing your grip aka control. Jesus what a mess. 32k post investment.

The CIA is sending me that check as we speak. Trust.

Biggest con being that you proclaim to be a westerner but talk of your fellow kin as the evil incarnate.

But we however know better, "GarryB".... the sheep of this forum obviously don't, and that's why you're here, to shepherd them on the "right" path, with moderation privilege's to boot.

Was it near the American coast ? If Russians are serious about their core national survival , by NATO expansion , then their ( NATO nations ) survival should come under question . Not enough fear exerted ! To shut the mouth of Stoltenberg , with trembling fear !

Besides, if they will take the people out, isn't is exactly what the Ukrs want ?

The objectives of the west is a political and economic victory over Russia and NOT
a military one.

The west is not stupid , only putin is.. if people think the west is stupid ,with what they doing
in ukraine is because don't understand their real goals.. is an attrition proxy war .

NATO wants to fight Russia to the last ukrainian blood ,but also islamic mercenaries in europe and middle east that they can easily get very cheap. is an economic war , e c o n o m i c    w a r.

NATO don't expeect Ukraine to beat Russia any day. but they know the war will not end ever until
Russia fully capture all of it ,invading with tanks kiev .

The west hope to provoke Russia into invading all the way to kiev and beyond , while them arming the ukrainians and mercenaries they hired to fight. The economic cost for Russia to have a full scale army , as soviet union had in afghanistan will sink the russian budget and slow down all future development of russia for many years and directly affect putin popularity too , because will worsen the quality of life too , with the collapse of the ruble.. and this is not mentioning the energy sanctions from europe too.

The fool here is putin , not the west..   Because NATO can literary keep fueling this conflict
f o r e v e r , until they exhaust Russia economy on its knees.

will not be surprised if NATO completely bomb all lugansk and donetks , with chemical weapons and bio weapons , something i doubt russia is prepared to fight there. and later after those zones destroyed ,they switch to crimea and repeat again.. indeed evil , but none less brilliant in terms of the troubles this will create for russia,

Evacuation mentality ! Let's evacuate the women and children , they could get damaged & I don't need them ! Let's evacuate the buildings , they could get damaged & I don't need them ! Let's evacuate the factories , Cows and sheep ! But oh , I need them ! Darn it , they are in Russia , might as well go to Russia , as I need them !

Drag race. Talk more.

please if more shelling occurs there better be kalibrs flying to Kiev.

I don't like that shit, civilians having to evacuate while their city is getting shelled, they deserve to get kalibr'd and technically speaking that isn't an invasion. Let those fuckheads pay dearly for it.

This is the ultimatum that keeps dragging and dragging. Supposedly it wasn't going to be allowed to be dragged.

Meanwhile 2/3s of the Russian army are parked around Ukraine's borders.

You know what U.S soldiers are doing? fucking girls, at home and abroad.

Here is what's going to occur. Putin is going to get unconditional surrender terms once again, with sweeteners for the home crowd to be sold as a win for diplomacy and compromise.

And then to think that only 8 weeks ago Big V. came out full of confidence swinging his dick talking big game about how a new security architecture was necessary in Europe. I think he even demanded it.

Putin is outmanoeuvred, plain and simple. It's by now obvious he is dead scared of going into Ukraine.

All his bluffs (recognizing LDPR, invasion) have been called and there is zero progress on the diplomatic front.

The only way out (aside from total capitulation or military intervention) is some sort of farcical deal wherein Russia gets some breadcrumbs but none of the 'security guarantees' will be implemented.

At this point the only thing I am curious about is how it will get spun.

Although not sure if it will stick, even some usually pretty pro Putin Russian TG groups are starting to get impatient and critical.

Not even a Georgia 2.0 OP is an easy pill now. It comes with harsher penalty.

Good cop, bad cop routine working wonders too. The Europeans are playing it well. Afterall, they need that gas for the EU... for now of course.

“Presidents Biden and Putin have both accepted the principle of such a summit,” it added.

However, such a meeting “can only be held at the condition that Russia does not invade Ukraine.”

Minsk Minsk agreement..."bear with it my dear"... which means no recognition.

If I were one of those Donbass refugees I would get the fvck out of the security cordon and either go deeper into Russia to settle or to the EU or anywhere else for that matter. To be a fucking sacrificial lamb for Putin's weak hand games ain't worth it. It's your fucking life. You'll be a fucking idiot to go back.

To be what, target practice for the Ukrops when the anglo-saxons decide it's convenient to push, again? Hell nah.

Budget, logistics, and the nature of the mobilization. Naturally, the responsibility lies at the very top.

Vlad was talking about security guarantees - emphasis on was.

Why spin the discussion away from this topic?

Hopefully GarryB responds to my request of cleaning up this thread and kicking moron trolls out.  I would say, due to the nature of this conflict, it's best we resort to posting facts about the conflict rather than emotional diatribe that isn't exactly related or only partially.  It's fine to have an opinion, but all this is muddling up the thread.

It will create more problems than anything. Russia just needs to assist striking the positions of the artillery batteries to really give it to them. They need to force Ukraine to stand down. So far, their attempt looks like the attempts for the last 20 times as is anyway.

We went from 'NATO should withdraw to its 1997 borders if not military-technical solution' to 'I-i-i really d-don't plan invading U-ukraine please don't sanction me too hard Daddy Joe'.

ALAMO wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:It's fine to have an opinion, but all this is muddling up the thread.

Hey, his opinion is just as valid as mine or yours.
The opinion is like an asshole. Anyone has it.
Only some don't know how to use it, just the same way as some don't know what is the asshole for.

What really amazes me, and won't stop ever, is how some need to struggle, to make the things look really bad, when those look fine at least ...

Russia is 1/2 of the USSR.
Have neither vassal states nor client states it needs to sponsor, as it used to be back there, when half of Africa was hanging on it's neck.
It's position is amazingly high ranked, if we consider that they own an economy on pair with Germany.
Considering the fact, that they represented a failed state in 1999, it is really truly amazing.

TMA1 wrote:Apparently people cant into geopolitics here. I'm not too bright and I see what's happening. Keeping the west unsure while not retaliating. They cannot push sanctions which is what they desperately want. Ukraine is pushing at a razor's edge of what does or does not meet reprisals.

Trump was pushed in this situation when Iran rocketed US stations in Iraq. Trump evacuated soldiers and didnt bite. I'm starting to think shills here are living meme's of "come on Putin, do an atrocity". You guys essentially sound like elementary school bullies who call someone a wimp if they dont fight and a if they do fight they cry and run to teacher.

TMA1 wrote:Apparently people cant into geopolitics here. I'm not too bright and I see what's happening. Keeping the west unsure while not retaliating. They cannot push sanctions which is what they desperately want. Ukraine is pushing at a razor's edge of what does or does not meet reprisals.

Trump was pushed in this situation when Iran rocketed US stations in Iraq. Trump evacuated soldiers and didnt bite. I'm starting to think shills here are living meme's of "come on Putin, do an atrocity". You guys essentially sound like elementary school bullies who call someone a wimp if they dont fight and a if they do fight they cry and run to teacher.

Regular wrote:https://vk.com/wall-123538639_2193113

Why in this day soldiers have to live in such conditions and starve? Covid, TB, Flu... A recipe for filling up medical tents without the war.

miketheterrible wrote:

Regular wrote:https://vk.com/wall-123538639_2193113

Why in this day soldiers have to live in such conditions and starve? Covid, TB, Flu... A recipe for filling up medical tents without the war.

You actually believe this? Can't be this dumb.

Mother's of soldiers is one of Navalnys groups. Known to lie countless of times.

Now they need to provide receipts of their claims. Otherwise, it's just stupid nonsense as usual.

And this has nothing to do with the conflict. Please go spread your bullshit elsewhere.

@garryb, please clean up this mess of a thread, while your at it, clean up the morons too.