Russian special military operation in Ukraine

teh_beard wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:After a day and a half after the intervention has it been worth it for Russia?

Any estimates of Russian casualties so far?

And how about the aftermath? If Russia manages to do a regime change in Kiev how is Russia going to make sure that nationalists will not again take power in Ukraine?

Of course there will be no casualty figures until it all done.

And for aftermath there two ways - either regime change and another dumbass attempt to keep non anti-Russian government there, or dissolution and partial annexation, while still keeping resulting, say, Galicia, down, demilitarised and neutral. I.e. take the tastiest bits, then japan landlocked rest for half a century.

I would prefer splitting up Ukraine to three parts. Let the NATO have the westernmost part of Galicia. The central part led by Kiev should remain neutral and the eastern part would be integrated to Russia. Don't know how realistic this is, but what other choices are there? Keeping the Ukraine intact would mean that before we know the nationalists would again be in power in Kiev.

The more I think of this the more futile it sounds for Russia. If the majority of Ukrainian population don't want to be friends with Russia then there is little Russia can do (except for committing a genocide and integrating the empty lands to Russia).

Sky News claims over 450 Russian troops killed in Ukraine so far.

How many Tochka U platforms Ukraine still has? This was some nasty hit into Russian territory

Karl Haushofer wrote:Sky News claims over 450 Russian troops killed in Ukraine so far.

But engine was not build for persistent bodies - they despawn after 60 seconds...
Thats why in age when every one and his dog has smartphones, there no photos.

Girkin tweets about the Ukrainian strike against Russian airfield:
https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1497139229968773138

Ukraine armed forces are now calling up people of any age to fight against the Russians. All you need to do is bring your passport and you’re in, they say.

https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1497149380486443008

Karl Haushofer wrote:Sky News claims over 450 Russian troops killed in Ukraine so far.

what number did you expect? In my opinion as a 10 year veteran and pro Russian it is most likely 3 times that at least maybe even more, and it is not even that bad considering.
This is real modern war, against an enemy that have had time to entrench, im expecting the Ukrainian losses to be even higher due to the insane amount of artillery the russians have used.

Where are the S-400 ?

EkErilaz wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:Sky News claims over 450 Russian troops killed in Ukraine so far.

what number did you expect? In my opinion as a 10 year veteran and pro Russian it is most likely 3 times that at least maybe even more, and it is not even that bad considering.
This is real modern war, against an enemy that have had time to entrench, im expecting the Ukrainian losses to be even higher due to the insane amount of artillery the russians have used.

No.

This is the same as the supposed 600 dead Russians by US in Syria. But no evidence was provided. Guarantee its much lower than the number they are claiming.

Fucking twitters embed function sucks.

Who knows what they have for AD at that base, if any. Maybe someone knows what assets they have.

Edit: according to SF, one Su-30 was destroyed by the tochka. That's about it.

Karl Haushofer wrote:Sky News claims over 450 Russian troops killed in Ukraine so far.

Source: someone's cornhole

We won't have casualty numbers on both sides for weeks after everything is over so just cut the nonsense

Regular wrote:Ukraine armed forces are now calling up people of any age to fight against the Russians. All you need to do is bring your passport and you’re in, they say.

https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1497149380486443008

I think people have different plans for those passports...

magnumcromagnon wrote:

https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1497088787322748935

yes, the West has gone insane...
this poison is now everywhere.



....is it possible to claim cultural asylum in Russia?  

Just asking for an friend .
Im sure my friend is willing to ensure this shit is put down in Russia.

PapaDragon wrote:

Regular wrote:Ukraine armed forces are now calling up people of any age to fight against the Russians. All you need to do is bring your passport and you’re in, they say.

https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1497149380486443008

I think people have different plans for those passports...

They can't use them. 18-60 year olds are not allowed to leave.

Over 20k AKs distributed to civilians, there are reports of Ukrainians running in the street with AKs and RPGs in civilian clothing. This is shitshow.

miketheterrible wrote:

EkErilaz wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:Sky News claims over 450 Russian troops killed in Ukraine so far.

what number did you expect? In my opinion as a 10 year veteran and pro Russian it is most likely 3 times that at least maybe even more, and it is not even that bad considering.
This is real modern war, against an enemy that have had time to entrench, im expecting the Ukrainian losses to be even higher due to the insane amount of artillery the russians have used.

No.

This is the same as the supposed 600 dead Russians by US in Syria. But no evidence was provided.  Guarantee its much lower than the number they are claiming.

I agree that the 600 dead is propaganda, and that the estimate of 450 dead is fabricated out of the ass of a propaganda outlet. I don't even think russia knows the number right now. But I do know the effects of modern weapons, and the number of involved soldiers.
It is just not probable that losses would be that low in a offensive operation of this magnitude.
Understand, I'm not saying Russia is doing bad i'm just saying that we have never seen peer on peer combat of this magnitude before and need to be prepared that losses will be higher than in other conflicts.

EkErilaz wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

EkErilaz wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:Sky News claims over 450 Russian troops killed in Ukraine so far.

what number did you expect? In my opinion as a 10 year veteran and pro Russian it is most likely 3 times that at least maybe even more, and it is not even that bad considering.
This is real modern war, against an enemy that have had time to entrench, im expecting the Ukrainian losses to be even higher due to the insane amount of artillery the russians have used.

No.

This is the same as the supposed 600 dead Russians by US in Syria. But no evidence was provided.  Guarantee its much lower than the number they are claiming.

I agree that the 600 dead is propaganda, and that the estimate of 450 dead is fabricated out of the ass of a propaganda outlet. I don't even think russia knows the number right now. But I do know the effects of modern weapons, and the number of involved soldiers.
It is just not probable that losses would be that low in a offensive operation of this magnitude.
Understand, I'm not saying Russia is doing bad i'm just saying that we have never seen peer on peer combat of this magnitude before and need to be prepared that losses will be higher than in other conflicts.

As said by other guy here, everyone has a phone. 300+ isn't easy to hide.

But whatever. It's speculation on part from a rag newspaper.

I'm more interested to know the airfield that got hit. Russia proved their AD worked in Syria so what happened here?  My guess, no AD present. It was said all flyable jets were in the air so don't know if the Su-30sm hit was flyable or not.  But where was the S-400 or Pantsir or other AD?  I saw the sat view of the base, and I don't see AD installations.

@franco, do you happen to know?

We really gonna pay attention to "estimates" from Britain, the U.S, the E.U or the Ukrops.

Cmon now... those are not even worth posting here. Absolute garbage. Stop wasting thread space.

miketheterrible wrote:

EkErilaz wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

EkErilaz wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:Sky News claims over 450 Russian troops killed in Ukraine so far.

what number did you expect? In my opinion as a 10 year veteran and pro Russian it is most likely 3 times that at least maybe even more, and it is not even that bad considering.
This is real modern war, against an enemy that have had time to entrench, im expecting the Ukrainian losses to be even higher due to the insane amount of artillery the russians have used.

No.

This is the same as the supposed 600 dead Russians by US in Syria. But no evidence was provided.  Guarantee its much lower than the number they are claiming.

I agree that the 600 dead is propaganda, and that the estimate of 450 dead is fabricated out of the ass of a propaganda outlet. I don't even think russia knows the number right now. But I do know the effects of modern weapons, and the number of involved soldiers.
It is just not probable that losses would be that low in a offensive operation of this magnitude.
Understand, I'm not saying Russia is doing bad i'm just saying that we have never seen peer on peer combat of this magnitude before and need to be prepared that losses will be higher than in other conflicts.

As said by other guy here, everyone has a phone. 300+ isn't easy to hide.

But whatever. It's speculation on part from a rag newspaper.

I'm more interested to know the airfield that got hit. Russia proved their AD worked in Syria so what happened here?  My guess, no AD present. It was said all flyable jets were in the air so don't know if the Su-30sm hit was flyable or not.  But where was the S-400 or Pantsir or other AD?  I saw the sat view of the base, and I don't see AD installations.

@franco, do you happen to know?

No, everyone does not have a smartphone. Russia have learned from previous lessons when their soldiers were tracked by the enemy using them, where soldiers filmed stuff during ops and then the enemy used it against them etc. I'm 100% sure that the soldiers were inspected before the op and any cellphones were removed. As for locals, good luck using a cellphone anywhere near the front, the EWAR will be jamming cell freqs 24/7. Russia know that there is radio shortage in the ork army and that cellphones are used as backups. This is the reason we almost exclusively see shit that happen deep inside Ukraine and almost no combat at the front in videos.

EkErilaz wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

EkErilaz wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

EkErilaz wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:Sky News claims over 450 Russian troops killed in Ukraine so far.

what number did you expect? In my opinion as a 10 year veteran and pro Russian it is most likely 3 times that at least maybe even more, and it is not even that bad considering.
This is real modern war, against an enemy that have had time to entrench, im expecting the Ukrainian losses to be even higher due to the insane amount of artillery the russians have used.

No.

This is the same as the supposed 600 dead Russians by US in Syria. But no evidence was provided.  Guarantee its much lower than the number they are claiming.

I agree that the 600 dead is propaganda, and that the estimate of 450 dead is fabricated out of the ass of a propaganda outlet. I don't even think russia knows the number right now. But I do know the effects of modern weapons, and the number of involved soldiers.
It is just not probable that losses would be that low in a offensive operation of this magnitude.
Understand, I'm not saying Russia is doing bad i'm just saying that we have never seen peer on peer combat of this magnitude before and need to be prepared that losses will be higher than in other conflicts.

As said by other guy here, everyone has a phone. 300+ isn't easy to hide.

But whatever. It's speculation on part from a rag newspaper.

I'm more interested to know the airfield that got hit. Russia proved their AD worked in Syria so what happened here?  My guess, no AD present. It was said all flyable jets were in the air so don't know if the Su-30sm hit was flyable or not.  But where was the S-400 or Pantsir or other AD?  I saw the sat view of the base, and I don't see AD installations.

@franco, do you happen to know?

No, everyone does not have a smartphone. Russia have learned from previous lessons when their soldiers were tracked by the enemy using them, where soldiers filmed stuff during ops and then the enemy used it against them etc. I'm 100% sure that the soldiers were inspected before the op and any cellphones were removed. As for locals, good luck using a cellphone anywhere near the front, the EWAR will be jamming cell freqs 24/7. Russia know that there is radio shortage in the ork army and that cellphones are used as backups. This is the reason we almost exclusively see shit that happen deep inside Ukraine and almost no combat at the front in videos.

You don't understand, it's Ukrainians who would be taking the pictures for cheap propaganda.

No need to continue talking and spread fud about a non story or one made up. Let's continue and talk about things that did happen.

Interesting:



I have a lot of questions about the circumstances. Will wait and see if this is remotely true. People are suggesting it is edited/faked footage from DCS. That was my first instinct, but am holding back to be sure.

EDIT:
Wait, I'm an idiot. It is DCS. Low poly on the tree is a dead giveaway.

Cheetah wrote:I

I have a lot of questions about the circumstances. Will wait and see if this is remotely true.

Or you can just scroll down.

miketheterrible wrote:

EkErilaz wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

EkErilaz wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

EkErilaz wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:Sky News claims over 450 Russian troops killed in Ukraine so far.

what number did you expect? In my opinion as a 10 year veteran and pro Russian it is most likely 3 times that at least maybe even more, and it is not even that bad considering.
This is real modern war, against an enemy that have had time to entrench, im expecting the Ukrainian losses to be even higher due to the insane amount of artillery the russians have used.

No.

This is the same as the supposed 600 dead Russians by US in Syria. But no evidence was provided.  Guarantee its much lower than the number they are claiming.

I agree that the 600 dead is propaganda, and that the estimate of 450 dead is fabricated out of the ass of a propaganda outlet. I don't even think russia knows the number right now. But I do know the effects of modern weapons, and the number of involved soldiers.
It is just not probable that losses would be that low in a offensive operation of this magnitude.
Understand, I'm not saying Russia is doing bad i'm just saying that we have never seen peer on peer combat of this magnitude before and need to be prepared that losses will be higher than in other conflicts.

As said by other guy here, everyone has a phone. 300+ isn't easy to hide.

But whatever. It's speculation on part from a rag newspaper.

I'm more interested to know the airfield that got hit. Russia proved their AD worked in Syria so what happened here?  My guess, no AD present. It was said all flyable jets were in the air so don't know if the Su-30sm hit was flyable or not.  But where was the S-400 or Pantsir or other AD?  I saw the sat view of the base, and I don't see AD installations.

@franco, do you happen to know?

No, everyone does not have a smartphone. Russia have learned from previous lessons when their soldiers were tracked by the enemy using them, where soldiers filmed stuff during ops and then the enemy used it against them etc. I'm 100% sure that the soldiers were inspected before the op and any cellphones were removed. As for locals, good luck using a cellphone anywhere near the front, the EWAR will be jamming cell freqs 24/7. Russia know that there is radio shortage in the ork army and that cellphones are used as backups. This is the reason we almost exclusively see shit that happen deep inside Ukraine and almost no combat at the front in videos.

You don't understand, it's Ukrainians who would be taking the pictures for cheap propaganda.

No need to continue talking and spread fud about a non story or one made up.  Let's continue and talk about things that did happen.

I do understand. But did you read the part about locals and EWAR? I have no way of telling if ukrainian ISPs are running, or if there is electricity in the the combat areas right now, but my estimate right now is that the only way to upload stuff if anywhere close to the front is using landline internet. That is why we see so much obviously faked prepared psyops and very little "man on the street" stuff leaking out .

EkErilaz wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

EkErilaz wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

EkErilaz wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

EkErilaz wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:Sky News claims over 450 Russian troops killed in Ukraine so far.

what number did you expect? In my opinion as a 10 year veteran and pro Russian it is most likely 3 times that at least maybe even more, and it is not even that bad considering.
This is real modern war, against an enemy that have had time to entrench, im expecting the Ukrainian losses to be even higher due to the insane amount of artillery the russians have used.

No.

This is the same as the supposed 600 dead Russians by US in Syria. But no evidence was provided.  Guarantee its much lower than the number they are claiming.

I agree that the 600 dead is propaganda, and that the estimate of 450 dead is fabricated out of the ass of a propaganda outlet. I don't even think russia knows the number right now. But I do know the effects of modern weapons, and the number of involved soldiers.
It is just not probable that losses would be that low in a offensive operation of this magnitude.
Understand, I'm not saying Russia is doing bad i'm just saying that we have never seen peer on peer combat of this magnitude before and need to be prepared that losses will be higher than in other conflicts.

As said by other guy here, everyone has a phone. 300+ isn't easy to hide.

But whatever. It's speculation on part from a rag newspaper.

I'm more interested to know the airfield that got hit. Russia proved their AD worked in Syria so what happened here?  My guess, no AD present. It was said all flyable jets were in the air so don't know if the Su-30sm hit was flyable or not.  But where was the S-400 or Pantsir or other AD?  I saw the sat view of the base, and I don't see AD installations.

@franco, do you happen to know?

No, everyone does not have a smartphone. Russia have learned from previous lessons when their soldiers were tracked by the enemy using them, where soldiers filmed stuff during ops and then the enemy used it against them etc. I'm 100% sure that the soldiers were inspected before the op and any cellphones were removed. As for locals, good luck using a cellphone anywhere near the front, the EWAR will be jamming cell freqs 24/7. Russia know that there is radio shortage in the ork army and that cellphones are used as backups. This is the reason we almost exclusively see shit that happen deep inside Ukraine and almost no combat at the front in videos.

You don't understand, it's Ukrainians who would be taking the pictures for cheap propaganda.

No need to continue talking and spread fud about a non story or one made up.  Let's continue and talk about things that did happen.

I do understand. But did you read the part about locals and EWAR? I have no way of telling if ukrainian ISPs are running, or if there is electricity in the the combat areas right now, but my estimate right now is that the only way to upload stuff if anywhere close to the front is using landline internet. That is why we see so much obviously faked prepared psyops and very little "man on the street" stuff leaking out .

This will be my last post on this non honest report: if the case of cellphones not working, we wouldn't be getting any footage at all.

Cheetah wrote:Interesting:

https://twitter.com/Ukrainelive5/status/1497140960127590401?cxt=HHwWgoC9sazx9MYpAAAA

I have a lot of questions about the circumstances. Will wait and see if this is remotely true. People are suggesting it is edited/faked footage from DCS. That was my first instinct, but am holding back to be sure.

EDIT:
Wait, I'm an idiot. It is DCS. Low poly on the tree is a dead giveaway.

How many times now has DCS been used to create fake shoot downs? Man, I've seen this shit for years. It's hilarious.