Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

Zelensky's change of heart on negotiations was the result of his call to Biden. Biden also gave Turdeau his marching orders.

The US is the heart of evil.

Zsu?

What's really strange is that there isn't (to my knowledge) any photos/videos of Russian tactical drones like Orlan-10s/Elerons in operation or downed on the ground. There was plenty in Donbass and Syria, but none here.

They only negotiate when they want to, and that is, to win.

They got what they wanted in terms of optics, and sanctions package, "containing" Russia "economically" with these measures for years to come - the West/Russia split....."embarrassing Russia" on the world stage with their propaganda machine (and allied client states propaganda machinery) etc.... so that it serves as an example of who not to follow in case any of their client states, or neutrals of this planet have second thoughts of flipping to the "resistance" side... all according to their think tanks strategy, exactly as they wanted..... and NOW they'll try to salvage their puppet regime as much as possible with as much land as possible under their puppets control through negotiations.

Now it's time for Zelensky to negotiate. That's why Zelensky and cadre have put the resistance around Kiev and have not fled. It's their plan, as I've said from the very beginning. Very easy to read in my opinion.

It is not rocket science. The question always is, are Russians stupid enough, are they desperate enough, are they unsure of themselves enough to lose at the negotiating table out of some desperate sense of fear of continuing on the path they've set in motion. You would be inclined to say "off course not" but Russians have surprised before on this front. Never send a Russian to do a deal. Only to fight and win the war.

Take Kiev, hang the rats and get it the fvck over with.

Can't say I'm a big fan of this Ru strategy of minimising Ukrainian losses. It can backfire badly. If you start a war, make sure to finish it on your terms. Also, by the looks of it, i don't think airforce is utilized in a way it should be. Number of sorties seem low.

Regular wrote:Zsu?

Looks like it. They are probably shooting at UAVs.

Seems like the Kiev regime can't afford to send missiles.

caveat emptor wrote:Can't say I'm a big fan of this Ru strategy of minimising Ukrainian losses. It can backfire badly. If you start a war, make sure to finish it on your terms. Also, by the looks of it, i don't think airforce is utilized in a way it should be. Number of sorties seem low.

It is only getting started. We will see what is done with the cities. Siege or urban warfare.

Can anyone explain what is wrong with Ukrainian civilians? Why they go all the way to film destroyed columns of military vehicles or move about during firefights?

There's a good TG channel https://t.me/Ugolok_Sitha

And it shows Ukrainians driving next to Ukrainian tank before it gets destroyed in Meliatopol, or drive in between firefights in Kherson.

Some of them go all the way out to film destroyed equipment.

Why can't they just stay at home until this is all over?


https://t.me/Ugolok_Sitha/4549

Over the past 30 years, Ukraine has supplied lethal weapons that were & are being used in each & every civil war now underway in Africa & the Arabian peninsula.

Ukraine’s air force & navy are so dilapidated that they can be destroyed within 24 hours. That’s why Russia has so far fired only 160 Kalibre cruise missiles against Ukraine’s air bases, when it now known that the US had to fire 69 cruise missiles against a well-defended air base in Syria to knock that air base out of action.

Also noteworthy is the Russian employment of helicopters for massed vertical envelopment air-assault operations, with Ka-52s escorting the Mi-17s.

That 2-3x pay differential makin itself known. Here's the entire garrison of snake island surrendering

A good breakdown of what's been destroyed

The Russian army has destroyed 821 objects of the military infrastructure of Ukraine, the official representative of the Russian Defence Ministry, Major General Igor Konashenkov, said.
"Among them are 14 military airfields, 19 command posts and communication centres, 24 S-300 and Osa anti-aircraft missile systems, 48 radar stations. 7 combat aircraft, 7 helicopters, and 9 unmanned aerial vehicles were shot down. 87 tanks and other combat aircraft were destroyed, as well as armoured vehicles, 28 multiple launch rocket systems, and 118 units of special military vehicles," Konashenkov said.
"The forces of the Russian Navy destroyed 8 military boats of the Ukrainian Navy," he added.
The Russian Armed Forces launched a strike at night with sea- and land-based cruise missiles at military facilities in Ukraine, Igor Konashenkov said.

https://sputniknews.com/20220226/russian-forces-have-destroyed-821-ukrainian-military-targets-mod-says-1093385375.html

lyle6 wrote:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1497467132950548486

That 2-3x pay differential makin itself known. Here's the entire garrison of snake island surrendering

That footage confirmed....

BIG LOL....

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/02/25/ukraine-russia-soldier-exchange-audio-liebermann-dlt-intl-hnk-vpx.cnn

lyle6 wrote:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1497467132950548486

That 2-3x pay differential makin itself known. Here's the entire garrison of snake island surrendering

Hahah, I needed some good news. It's a win win for their families- they get Posthumous award + alive man

Yesterday reports that Ukrainian navy sank their flagship kirvak stop it being captured. Although still waiting for official report.

thegopnik wrote:

It's rather telling how Americans and Ukrainians require a video game in order to create a hero.

Updates

1) Over 80 Ukrainian Border Guards Who Surrendered on Zmeiny Island Have Been Delivered to Sevastopol, Russia's Black Sea Fleet Says

2) Russian Lawmaker Says West Likely Exhausted Ways to Impose Sanctions on Russia

3) Ukrainian Nationalist Battalions Blow Up Electrical Substations and Bridges Over Rivers as They Withdraw, Russian MoD Says

Kherson - under ukrs or not?

Not sure what is going on, this city changed hands more than a romanian hooker on a good weekend

Article that I agree wholeheartedly with in Anti-Empire from Marko Marjanović.

https://anti-empire.com/putin-is-waging-a-halfway-war-and-its-showing/

"Putin is waging a halfway war", he says.

Basically Russia is trying to wage this war trying to avoid civilian AND military casualties for the enemy. Russia is concentrating on destroying arms depots and equipment of the enemy, but tries to avoid inflicting losses to the enemy. For example Russia has so far avoided striking the barracks of Ukrainian army units so far.

However, the downside of this tactic is that it will bring casualties to Russians themselves. The Ukrainians are not having second thoughts about killing Russian soldiers.

As far as I see it Russia had three options before the war started:

1. Not start the invasion at all
2. Start the invasion and go "all in" to destroy the enemy's military capabilities and avoid own casualties at all costs.
3. Doing the invasion "half way" Marko Marjanović put it.

I would have preferred the first option, no invasion at all. Putin seems to have chosen the third option, which I think is the worst of them all.

Ukraine regularly votes against India at the UNSC but today India abstained from voting against Ukraine.

China abstained when it was supposed to vote for Russia.

India abstained when it was supposed to vote against Russia.

Karl Haushofer wrote:Article that I agree wholeheartedly with in Anti-Empire from Marko Marjanović.

https://anti-empire.com/putin-is-waging-a-halfway-war-and-its-showing/

"Putin is waging a halfway war", he says.

Basically Russia is trying to wage this war trying to avoid civilian AND military casualties for the enemy. Russia is concentrating on destroying arms depots and equipment of the enemy, but tries to avoid inflicting losses to the enemy. For example Russia has so far avoided striking the barracks of Ukrainian army units so far.

However, the downside of this tactic is that it will bring casualties to Russians themselves. The Ukrainians are not having second thoughts about killing Russian soldiers.

As far as I see it Russia had three options before the war started:

1. Not start the invasion at all
2. Start the invasion and go "all in" to destroy the enemy's military capabilities and avoid own casualties at all costs.
3. Doing the invasion "half way" Marko Marjanović put it.

I would have preferred the first option, no invasion at all. Putin seems to have chosen the third option, which I think is the worst of them all.

Anyone that has had time to digest the strategy understands how they're operating.

That's why I've said it's imperative to cut the head of the snake to kill political resistance and defiance at the heart of Kiev. Then and only then their strategy of getting desertions will fall into place more favorably. Some formations however, they'll have to be wiped out regardless, and the drawback here is they've had time to dig in the cities and get comfy.

People are obviously downplaying how successful they have been in boxing and maneuvering around enemy formations. The U.S operates differently but boy is this much cleaner than simply flattening places first. The civilian populace, except for the obvious West and capital have, for the most part, behaved extremely well.

I do however agree that they need to commit more personal to support such fast moving formations. And they've should taken out Kiev utility infrastructure and TV broadcasting capability Day 0. That place is a rat nest and a poison dispenser promoting resistance.

That was a mistake.

Meh, India and China just trying to be "neutral" in the situation. For China, dunno, they have confirmed their support of Russia because they know they need it for Taiwan and other such stuff in the future.
For India? Probably because of Kashmir and other hot spots so if they decide to unilaterally join Russia on this, then it opens up to situations in the future regarding Indian territorial integrity.

Russia apparently are fine with these decisions since they still cooperate with India. China has Russias backing regardless. And honestly, US was alone as well in Iraq and what not at the UNSC so who cares. Doesn't make an ounce of difference anyway.

Russians confirmed in Melitopol

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