Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

Finty wrote:Just seen the news about Kyiv airport. Time to fire up the Black tulips, enjoy your insurgency!

What news?

If anybody is a fucking retard it’s you pisdabol. You were all with Garry b, KVS, and archa claiming that Putin wasn’t going to invade and cia and nato and us intelligence were all liars trying to whip up hysteria.

No invasion no invasion no invasion. Ukraine will collapse on its own. Hurr durr if it would collapse why did Putin invade?

Putin wasn't going to invade, but after recognising the two newest countries in the world, he had the problem that they were occupied and under fire from Ukraine and the purpose of this operation is to deal with that.

CIA, HATO and US intelligence are all liars trying to whip up hysteria... they were probably more surprised than we were.

Careful what you wish for...

It's already been achieved, NATO is out of Ukraine

And the speed with which they left and the pathetic nature of their super sanctions... will they ever be welcomed back?

Russia had to INVADE and suffer massive sanctions for their to be no nato presence in Ukraine.

What massive sanctions?

Some soccer games were cancelled... boo hoo.

It is a mistake if Russia withdraws and leaves Ukraine intact. Ukraine needs to be split. At its current borders Ukraine is just too big for Russia to handle. And nationalism (that wants Ukraine separated from Russia) will always come to top, in the end.

With smaller pieces, even oblasts, Ukraine is more manageable.

You are missing the point... Russia is not the US... there wont be Russian bases anywhere in this region if those countries don't want them there.

The people in these regions can now choose what they want to do they are not obliged to be friendly to anyone... but most speak Russian and have a culture very similar to the Russian culture so I rather suspect their most prosperous future lies with trading with Russia because the EU and US have shown they are not interested in their products.

Russia will treat them as independent states.

Do you guys think Armata should be tested now?

No point. It is still effectively being tested, so taking it on to a battlefield is a risk.

Of course none of us we really know whether Putin was bluffing or not. I kind of hope he wasn't.

He does not normally issue empty threats. Most of the things he says are considered and rather clear.

The content of the link claims that Kiev civilians are fighting each other with the weapons given to them.

Could be propaganda, of course.

I wonder if they asked the people if they were pro or anti Russian before they gave them rifles.

Saying that the Russians are coming dressed as Ukrainians will probably get a lot of retreating Ukrainian soldiers killed, but that was probably the plan to start with.

They fight between themselves. Paranoia has hit them hard.

The dead and wounded will be innocent civilians killed brutally by the Russians of course...

Now I wonder where it goes from here. So EU and US sanction Putin and Lavrov, although I'm unsure what these sanctions ential. But it now the EU wishes to prevent flights from Russia into EU. Now Russia will simply destroy EU carriers by preventing them from flying over Russia making the airliners go nearly bankrupt. Russia could also bankrupt EU via energy but EU and US was very quick to say no sanctions on Russia in SWIFT and the current deals.

But that is their problem... they are going to try to cherry pick threats and sanctions that wont obviously backfire on them but Putin has already said the return sanctions might not be reciprocal exactly... Russia is not going to limit itself to mirror tit for tat sanctions that they have clearly calculated wont hurt them too much... I am hoping Russia decides to withdraw from SWIFT themselves as this would create an alternative system to develop... maybe a Twitter and Facebook ban too because it is clearly a foreign controlled hive of 5th columnists.

Let Russian companies develop an alternative...

LSOS wrote:
I'm not saying it happened. I'm saying If it happened then...

Russia just set off a nuke over Poland.... not saying it happened, but if it did happen...

Putin has sent its best forces without real support neither from artillery nor air force.the military leadership must be already angry at that.

Putin didn't plan this mission, the Russian military would have planned it, so any fuckups are their own fault and I might add most likely Hohol propaganda.

If the story about the il76 is true then he will loose credibility.

Right... so his credibility will go from minus 10 to minus 11.... I think he wont mind.

Wow... when you type out a response to Lsos and then a few posts later see Atlasclub posting the same thing.... honestly... has someone hijacked his account?

New avatar there AC... suits you... now...

He has access to us intelligence…..

He has no access to any intelligence at all.

Should have done it 8 years ago, but I'm no politician.

8 years ago they were still importing food from the EU and their helicopters all used Ukrainian engines as did their new ships and most of the engines for civilian aircraft were French... most of their transport planes even now are Ukrainian...

8 years ago they wanted the Minks agreements to sort this out. Now they know that will never happen so this is what they get.

I still wish russia hadn't invaded and had just successfully geopolitically isolated ukraine. Biden and the warhawks wouldve been humiliated in europe and lost credibility, but now european countries are once again in lockstep with US foreign policy. The dream of Italy, spain, greece, austria and slovakia becoming Russian allies is lost

I honestly think he has realised the west is never going to be reasonable or respectful so Russia needs to look elsewhere for partners and their future growth.

Individual western countries can likely be approached, but the HATO and EU hierarchy is infected and malignant.

Turkey stands with Russia

- no sanctions
- no closing of the Straits
- no aid for Ukraine
- no harsh words against Russia
- blaming the West for this escalation
- offering to mediate between Kiev & Moskow

Boris Johnson is more Turkish than Erdogan

Perhaps he realises the west didn't really give him much of a choice and that in the future good relations with Russia rather make more sense than keeping ties with the Kiev regime in exile in the UK.

Most comically sad thing is that the Ukraine could have been another Finland, getting easy cash from both sides had they used their brains more and drank less kool-aid

Instead they will end up as oversized Bosnia (if they are lucky)

When they cut off trade with Russia... their main core trading partner and source of most of their income, for the US and EU that clearly didn't give a shit about them and just offered loans and weapons... it was always clear what the west was using them for...

I wanna ask, did you guys legetimately believe that ukraine was going to be a NATO member, given that any NATO member can veto its membership?

Depends what the US and UK and France were prepared to threaten them with... they wanted good relations with Russia but not at the cost of financial ruin...

I would say most HATO members if they thought about it would now realise Russia is prepared to use its military and maybe they should start to listen to what they are saying... all the old talk about invading the Baltic state members I thought was just them being silly and even now I think it is silly but maybe they might try a regime change mission... maybe they are going to get to like doing that now... diplomacy doesn't seem to work... it certainly is an alternative...

What does big gazza and kvs have to say about their reassurances that ukraine was a worthless shithole that doesn't need to be invaded, but now they claim the invasion was necessary?

It is a worthless shithole, but maybe getting rid of the current managers that don't care about it and love the mess, and letting the people who have to live there pick a new management team that are more human then perhaps things will improve for the better.

It's quite possible that USA was about to push through with rapid membership for the Ukraine despite opposition and to make a dash for the Russian border to establish new status quo

Russian government learning about this would be something that could make all those different suits in Moscow agree that this operation is necessary

I suspect Zelensky talking about making some tactical nuclear weapons didn't help... a quick evaluation of their people and the skills they have they would likely work out that they could probably develop a nuclear weapon faster than Iran or North Korea.

Even if the ukrainian government is dewesternized, how will russia ensure that there won't be an anti-russian insurgency? How will it prevent a prowestern government winning elections? What about economic aid?

If they want to turn west they can... how many loans will the IMF give them?

How many existing loans will they forgive?

If the west can't use them against Russia then they are not interested in them and with a Lugansk and Donbass buffer states whatever the rest of the Ukraine turns into is no longer Russias problem.... the west can pay to fix that.

Cute article and all but only a total fool would enter Ukraine, attack it, kill their forces, leave and then expect the government to remain neutral.

Depends on how happy the population was with that government really...

What's really strange is that there isn't (to my knowledge) any photos/videos of Russian tactical drones like Orlan-10s/Elerons in operation or downed on the ground. There was plenty in Donbass and Syria, but none here.

The drones they are operating will likely be high up.... that will also attract longer range SAM systems to try to engage them which will reveal their positions and allow them to be engaged.

Can't say I'm a big fan of this Ru strategy of minimising Ukrainian losses. It can backfire badly. If you start a war, make sure to finish it on your terms. Also, by the looks of it, i don't think airforce is utilized in a way it should be. Number of sorties seem low.

Pretty difficult to get town mayors to surrender their towns without a fight if you then massacre civilians trying to find nazis in their midst.

Looks like it. They are probably shooting at UAVs.

Seems like the Kiev regime can't afford to send missiles.

Most drones have too small an IR signature for most MANPADS.

Just seen the news about Kyiv airport. Time to fire up the Black tulips, enjoy your insurgency!

Unlike the US who almost never leaves, once their objectives are achieved the Russians are not staying in the Ukraine.

The insurgency so far is Ukrainians in Kiev shooting Ukrainians...

I still think this invasion is more likely to fail than to succeed

We've got over 100 killed so far, someone said. Don't know how much Ukrainian military, civilians..

Insane decision. Insane