Russian special military operation in Ukraine #3

bitcointrader70 wrote:This just shows that a lot of old Soviet retards are still in charge of the Russian military’s pretty embarrassing. Not sure why they don’t have tor moving along with conveys. They should also have uavs scout ahead to look for Ukraine ambushes. It seems this invasion was not really planned.

I think that I’m starting to believe the western claims that a lot of Russians didn’t think they would actually invade and so they didn’t prepare.

This is quite embarrassing indeed.

Failing to achieve air superiority is also embarrassing. However Ukraine is a huge country.

We only see cutouts. There are 2 or 3 possibly 4 attacks visible. Probably out of Western Ukraine. That's not much and the damage is low to zero.

Normally, TorM would have to be there with the tips. The pictures look after replenishment colonons. It lacks PanzirM and TorM in some areas.

Do not get upset. From this is certainly learned quickly quickly and noiseless people are exchanged on medium levels.

I was hoping that this forum would have continued providing factual information, pictures, links, sources, not turning into pages and pages of tit for tat personal insults.

We all know it can be difficult to route out what's real and what's fake, and yes some stuff has proven to be fake and some have been real. And I am not against people's opinions as long as they are sensible and not wander off into the fantasy scenarios that are only found in computer games.

It would be great if the forum could get back to what it was, something that provided factual information and opinions with some sense. (Don't get wrong we still had the odd fantasy opinion but nothing to this extent). There is nothing worse coming onto the forum to see another 8 pages has been added since I was last on only to find 1 out the 8 pages containing information.

Maybe MODS can make a few suggestions.

Isos wrote:

Finty wrote:

auslander wrote:Something very large just disintegrated in Mariupol. The city is now in a cauldron. While some orcs can leak out, tonight and tomorrow should be of interest.

https://t.me/intelslava/20914

f*cking hell

Hard to see. The explosion is weired looks like a fake.

Looks overly pixelated or it's just me.

Isos wrote:They also seem to fight mainly at night. As soon as night fall there are mlrs firing huge quantity of rockets. But it's useless if you don't coordinate infantry with it.

Artillery support is totally non existant.

Yes, just now there have been massive MLRS mostly Grad salvos videoed near Kerson and Kharkov. But no real assault followup it seems..

I´m just ignoring the moaning about an alleged drone attack or some burned out truck of unnown origin. Lets take a look at the larger picture for a second. I know most of us are dumbed down by western MSM and all those "surgical strikes" that lead to whole cities in Iraq or Syria being leveled to the ground. The war we see here is a war how it should be fought. 99,9% of all casualties on both sides are soldiers, not civilians like in the wars the "civilized" west fights. The damage to civilian infrastructure is minimal, the worst damage was done by the Orcs in Kiev with this Buk missile hitting a building.

Looking at the overall performane of the russian armed forces. Western Generals with more then one braincell will shitting their pants right now. Remember that the "ukrainian" army is basically modelled after the russian army, at least how she looked in the 90´s. Armament wise. The standard unit has more armor and more artillery then that of a western army. And these units got mobile air defence systems which NATO armies nearly completly lack. But the best they can manage are a few small ambushes which don´t even effect the tactical level. By now any western army would be mostly demolished.

So Facebook and Twitter are blocking Russian news sources. The EU is blocking Sputnik and RT, that's always a sure sign that someone is making some serious shit up, and wants to prevent people from getting another spin on things. Don't these people understand that this is the internet and you can't keep people from finding ways to access just about anything you want? I condemn the EU for this, and I just know Washington is going to try to start the same nuttery here. Well, enough of the information and propaganda war, what is going on in the ground war? I hear Marioupol is about to be liberated. What is the situation around Kharkov, Chernigov, and Nikolayevsk?

Isos wrote:

I was hoping that this forum would have continued providing factual information, pictures, links, sources, not turning into pages and pages of tit for tat personal insults.

You can't. Russians share nothing. Ukrainian share some stupid propaganda. Nothing worth sharing.

Yeah the Russians are being super quiet all things considered, suggesting Putin doesn't want anyone saying anything.

Idk if Putin is really hand cuffing his guys this bad someone needs to grow a pair and tell him

Enough is enough he needs to let them fight properly.

It's very clear that USA UK, EU, NATO, know that sanctions against Russia won't inflict much damage. Russia has been preparing for this. And for weeks the west have been harping on about cutting them off SWIFT bit still nothing why? Because they know it won't make a difference. And sanctions are going to hurt EU more than Russia. I find this amusing. The west and USA know sanctions don't work and they know they can't attack Russia, and the best bit Putin knows this all hence he's not giving a sh*t lol!

I don't post a lot but I wanted to say something...
I want to say something regarding the sanctions and all this propaganda around evil Russia and evil Putin and the holy West. We had this discussion like in 2014,2016 and 2018 already. This is not about sanctions against Russia and the West is not as dumb as they look and we can agree that America has become for many the synonym for dumb.

The biggest threat to the western hegemony, military doctrine as well as the influence over the most important, influential and most powerful countries in the West and Europe is losing the grip of being the master to dictate around who is friend or foe. Just half a year ago the US Air Force and the German Luftwaffe have conducted a joint a military scenario which have been for years a conspiracy theory. It was referenced in the past by several sources of old veterans and ex high rank German officers. The US fears to lose Germany to the Russians. If Germany ever becomes independent and starts doing their own politics and follow own interests or worse join any form of to close Partnership with Russia, that would result in US losing over a very short period of time its Super Power in the influential department. The joint military scenario was to use US's tactical nukes together with German Bundeswehr on German cities if ever the Russians would be in Germany. The Bundeswehr was asked about this by RT reporter and the German Luftwaffe spox didn't reply nor deny the event of such joint military training with the US.

Why is Germany so important to the US military doctrine?
Historically Germany has been always perceived as the most influential Country in Europe and despite being a bitch and hated by many citizens of EU countries it is still perceived as the most influential country among European citizens and countries of the EU and European continent. Power lies where people believe it resides.

The sanctions part on Russia is not against Russia but to keep West and East always and in constant tension. The goal is to split the influence, markets and minds. This tactic has been successful over the past two decades. Westerners are fully zombified, believe everything the Government says, start to be more open about hate for Russia or Russians and the business is from 2014 redirected to the US. Meaning US binds its vassals closer to itself, makes profit, while Europeans pay more for worse products and resources, lose their sovereignty with only "one" supplier and become closer and closer to be used as cannon fodder.

I am not a military or political analyst but I can see these tactic which has been also mentioned by political analysts. The whole thing reminds me of the world from 1984 by George Orwell, where only three giant "countries" dictate how to the world is shaped and how people live, think, who to hate and forget what was yesterday.

I may be wrong but I would bad 1000 € that Germany soon will be either on front or being involved in exchange of tactical missles with the eastern front of Ukraine against Russia. And don't be so eager to call me out for the 1000 €, because by that time you will be happy if you can pay for a single loaf of bread with that money if that shit happens.

PS: Scholz the German chancellor has announced that they want more "independence" from foreign natural gas so for this reason they gonna process LNG from the US....yea intelligence is not a german trait no more.

d_taddei2 wrote:I was hoping that this forum would have continued providing factual information, pictures, links, sources, not turning into pages and pages of tit for tat personal insults.

We all know it can be difficult to route out what's real and what's fake, and yes some stuff has proven to be fake and some have been real. And I am not against people's opinions as long as they are sensible and not wander off into the fantasy scenarios that are only found in computer games.

It would be great if the forum could get back to what it was, something that provided factual information and opinions with some sense. (Don't get wrong we still had the odd fantasy opinion but nothing to this extent). There is nothing worse coming onto the forum to see another 8 pages has been added since I was last on only to find 1 out the 8 pages containing information.

Maybe MODS can make a few suggestions.

Yeah, a clean up is necessary. Even my comments that call these people out. Maybe have a separate thread called bitchfest and this one of pure info.

ucmvulcan wrote:So Facebook and Twitter are blocking Russian news sources.  The EU is blocking Sputnik and RT, that's always a sure sign that someone is making some serious shit up, and wants to prevent people from getting another spin on things.  Don't these people understand that this is the internet and you can't keep people from finding ways to access just about anything you want? I condemn the EU for this, and I just know Washington is going to try to start the same nuttery here.  Well, enough of the information and propaganda war, what is going on in the ground war?  I hear Marioupol is about to be liberated.  What is the situation around Kharkov, Chernigov, and Nikolayevsk?  

Marioupol is a "maybe"

The other places you named have all pushed Russian forces back.

I suspect tho Ukraine will give up Mariu without much of a fight, it serves no tactical purpose to them not like they can use the coast and its super isolated.

Nor does it produce any war equipment, so its kinda pointless in this setting to hold it

bitcointrader70 wrote:This just shows that a lot of old Soviet retards are still in charge of the Russian military’s pretty embarrassing. Not sure why they don’t have tor moving along with conveys. They should also have uavs scout ahead to look for Ukraine ambushes. It seems this invasion was not really planned.

I think that I’m starting to believe the western claims that a lot of Russians didn’t think they would actually invade and so they didn’t prepare.

This is quite embarrassing indeed.

Failing to achieve air superiority is also embarrassing. However Ukraine is a huge country.

i warned about this.. that the russian army is NOT very efficient dealing with skies full of attack drones. i discovered that in syria how those turkish drones managed to penetrate russian defenses ,in armenia conflict it was a disaster , and now ukraine repeats the same again. all this old generals from the soviet era , need to be replaced for young experienced smart people. is totally unaceptable that a nation like russia, right on its borders , kharkiv ,can't provide close air support to the apcs , entering in the city.. and lets not talk about the fuel problems.. ukrainians are becoming more and more effective in attacking in guerrilla warfare russian convoys..

Russia even had drones to attack other drones , but nothing of that is ever used.

do i think that ukrainians can win?
absolutely not.. but still is totally unaceptable that they don't provide close air support to their convoys, some heads needs to be fired from the military. perhaps is that russia drones inventory is much more limited that we thought ?

in some positive news..
the question of the moment..

Is there any replacement of SWIFT?

Ukrainian column destroyed: including T-64 tank

kvs wrote:All of the NATzO sanctions so far have bent over backward to avoid damaging trade.  People need to pay attention to this.

Russia will possibly stop import from EU countries as countersanction, and block export of aluminium and titanium for the aerospace sectors

https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1498019898009784327?t=LDV0drFC1kBLOlw30DddDQ&s=19

Alot of MLRS activity tonight.

Oh look finally some Russian videos showing their work, took long enough.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

kvs wrote:All of the NATzO sanctions so far have bent over backward to avoid damaging trade.  People need to pay attention to this.

Russia will possibly stop import from EU countries as countersanction, and block export of aluminium and titanium for the aerospace sectors

Blanket ban instead. They will use whatever is claimed for automotive for aerospace.

- Mayor of Berdyansk: Russian in full control of city
- Mayor of Kharkov: Wants peaceful negotiation with Russians to save city
- Mayor of Kupyansk: agreement reached with Russians to patrol city

What puzzles me the most is, where are Forposts?

Belarus missile ruins historical building in Chernihiv.

According to the UNIAN news agency, it was an Iskander ballistic missile system that was fired from Belarus and hit the 1939 building in central Chernihiv, a regional capital 150 kilometers north of Kyiv.

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498010551670255621

Krepost wrote:- Mayor of Berdyansk: Russian in full control of city
- Mayor of Kharkov: Wants peaceful negotiation with Russians to save city
- Mayor of Kupyansk: agreement reached with Russians to patrol city

Source? and assuming that's true, Ukrainian troops will simply kill him if he even TRIES to do that. I highly doubt he would proclaim this will Ukrnian forces control the city, that's asking for a bullet. So I think that part is made up

Can anyone remember how many drones have been claimed to be shot down already? Versus the number Ukraine had, this would maybe help with understanding what capabilities they have left.

I did notice in the video that it seemed to be flying too low around 193m and considering that Ukraine wouldn't want to put such a large drone(6.5m in length and 12m wingspan) so close to enemy within range of PKM and HMG, not to mention Ukraine won't want to put such precious assets such these drones within danger and bare in mind that the missiles these fire tend to have a range of upto 8km so doesn't make sense to fly within 200m of a large convoy.

Another point to note about these attacks is taking out a truck, IFV, BTR etc here and there on a large convoy isn't going to make a huge impact on the forces. Another thing with various ammo dumps being hit we do t know just how many missiles for these drones they have left. Ukraine depending on sources had between 6-12 TB2 before the war and reports of drones being taken out which isn't unreasonable to think. Then however many they have left won't win them the war, most likely only slow down Russian troops, but time goes on more drones could be lost. Although I do think it foolish not to have Panstir amongst convoys such as this.

I am guessing the Russian military is not releasing videos. Seeing they want to recruit and retain most of the Ukrainian army and are trying to sell themselves as slavic brothers, showing videos of the Russians killing Ukrainians is not conducive to their goals. I think they have a shitload of heavy artillery as a backup plan. If their gradual approach does not work in certain areas they will resort to pummeling.

Destruction at Ukrainian Naval base at Ochakov