Russian special military operation in Ukraine #3

For clowns wanting to bomb indiscriminately, here's why it doesnt happen

AFU hides in civilians areas , small groups must dislodge them

According to sources in the Russian Defense Ministry, during the first four days of fighting, the Russian army lost a total of 270-300 fighters, including servicemen of the Russian Defense Ministry, the Rosgvardiya and the Interior Ministry, as well as losses of servicemen of the LDPR (most of the LDPR soldiers are also Russian citizens).

Arkanghelsk wrote:

For the NATO clowns here you can compare the overwhelming difference between NATO and Russia
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Ark, what are you doing?

You forgot the 300.000 strong coalition force in 2003.
Compared to the 50.000 Russian force.

I know Ukr. is nowhere comparable to Iraq, but these number are night and day.

Why is it still in russian doctrine to have tight convoys?

limb wrote:Why is it still in russian doctrine to have tight convoys?

Incompetence, if someone will try to argue this - they are insane. Russia didn't use tight convoys in 2nd chechen war for a reason

The difference between Iraq and Ukraine demonstrates that the Kiev regime has marginal support in the areas that Russia has,
I will say it, liberated.

All of the resistance is from either the Banderites in the regular army or the Banderites planted in the cities and towns to
terrorize the local population into submitting to the Kiev regime.

NATzO deciders know this to be true.

Adviser to the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine Alexey Arestovich said that Russian troops took control of the city of Berdyansk in the Zaporozhye region.

"Berdyansk is occupied by the enemy,... the city was taken, "RIA Novosti quotes Arestovich as saying.

https://m.vz.ru/news/2022/2/28/1146059.html

Regular wrote:

limb wrote:Why is it still in russian doctrine to have tight convoys?

Incompetence, if someone will try to argue this - they are insane. Russia didn't use tight convoys in 2nd chechen war for a reason

Various innumerate people are infesting this thread. If it was that incompetent then they would have lost 4,000 men.
Claiming that losses of 300, for this sort of operation on the scale of the territory and the comparable numbers of regime
irregulars of all types facing Russian forces, is excessive is moronic. Russia could have followed the US style scorched
earth approach and would have lost Ukraine for good. The US still lost thousands of men as it led to the death of a
million Iraqi civilians both directly and indirectly by unleashing terrorists.

The city in the Kharkiv region began to be jointly guarded by the Ukrainian police and the Russian military

The mayor of Kupyansk in the Kharkiv region of Ukraine, Gennady Matsegora, said that the local police began patrolling the settlement together with the Russian army.

According to the mayor, the phone of the duty station received a call from the commander of a battalion of Russian troops with a proposal to start negotiations, " otherwise the city will be stormed with all the consequences." "I decided to participate in the negotiations in order to avoid loss of life and destruction in the city and all the infrastructure that we will never restore. The chief of police of Shevchenko Natalia Artemovna was with me at the negotiations. We discussed the actions of the military, which aims to enter the city, ensure order, calm the residents, and convinced me that this will not affect the life of the city in any way. There will be order in the city, " Matsegora told residents of the city in a video message posted on the page of the Kupyansky City Council in the social network Instagram.

https://m.vz.ru/news/2022/2/27/1146053.html

Light resistance in kharkov

City is all but taken

Commonalities between Iraq and Ukraine

-The invading force made decisions because of bad intelligence on the ground, Bush told us we would be hailed as liberators, and Rumsfeld and Cheney insisted our young men and women would be greeted with flowers.

- There was an expectation that the conflict would be brief and that few would die.

- The war was waged with half the army's hands tied behind their back. Eric Shinseki (forgive me, its been 20 years so I am not sure of the spelling of the general's name) tried to say we needed 3 times as many troops on the ground to secure the peace. Russia is asking 50,000 to 70,000 (even if those are their best units) to do way too damn much with way too little.

Differences

-We didn't have any idea exactly how a post war Iraq would look like. We planned our invasion well, and until it entered the insurgency/secure the peace stage it was very effective

- Iraq was a depleted and reluctant armed forces that had been attritted, bombed, and degraded to near complete ineffectiveness over the course of 13 years. Ukraine's army is large, committed to defending its nation (I disagree with my government about the Ukrainian government, and I think the current group in Kiev does need to be held accountable for its actions in the Donbass, but its evident most of the Ukrainian army believes its fighting for home and hearth and that will always lead to tenacious resistance), and its been buying western technology and has been whipped into an ideologically zealous, committed, and well trained force.

- America lost Iraq when it lost the peace, against the Iraqi army -Republlican Guard and conscripts- the US Army and its allies applied surgical strikes, close air support, and armor and rolled across the country in a classic combined arms approach. Russia is being much too soft and utilizing way too few resources.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

For clowns wanting to bomb indiscriminately,  here's why it doesnt happen

AFU hides in civilians areas , small groups must dislodge them

You sound retarded.
Such positions can easily be destroyed by light loitering munitions like lancet with minimal collateral damage, yet they aren't being used.

limb wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

For clowns wanting to bomb indiscriminately,  here's why it doesnt happen

AFU hides in civilians areas , small groups must dislodge them

You sound retarded.
Such positions can easily be destroyed by light loitering munitions like lancet with minimal collateral damage, yet they aren't being used.

Really armchair general? They go hiding in the buildings

Your a clown it's good your not leading even a lemonade stand

Provoking an exodus of the population from western (anti-Russian) Ukraine is not another possibility? Abandon good manners and let the West bear millions of refugees and the costs. That population may be replaced by Russians or Eastern Ukrainians.

People are so totally unaware of what is going on

These areas where Russia is entering calmly are the areas that will be absorbed into Russia

Kherson, Zaporizhia , Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk , Chernigov, Sumy , Kiev, it's all being integrated to Russia

Are westerners so stupid to think Russia does not use bombs because it is incompetent?

Clowns, territory is #1 importance because this is an ANNEXATION operation

These lands are Russian lands

Novorossiya

The lands where Ukrainians are not pro russian, will be maintained by external authority, although forcibly in Russia orbit

Senator Medvedchuk and Savchenko will be invited to solovyov show and talk with Russians on shows

They will retain their flag and and identity, but they will be part of the union state

The areas Russians are taking now will be part of Russia

You can count on it , many referendums will be happening in Novorossiya

When Putin says we will not occupy Ukraine, he is speaking a half truth that goes over the heads of observers

Ergo, novorossiya is not Ukraine

The partition of Russian Ukraine is complete

That is denazification and demilitarization, it is annexation 

Crimea, donetsk, lughansk, kherson, Zaporizhia, Kharkov, Chernigov , Sumy, so on and so on

Russians who are dying are HEROES, they are expanding GREAT RUSSIA

Arkanghelsk wrote:I want azov to be tried and executed, now that Russia is out of council of Europe, death penalty is back

Mariupol and Kiev , is where the main cleanup will happen, all those bandits must be captured, tried and executed

Well unfortunately you can't do that anymore

Now that this Winter War 2 fiasco is officially underway there are only two ways it can end:


Scenario 1:

- Russian Military (despite not using airforce, missiles and artillery for some reason) manages to destroy Ukrainian Military

- Kiev government is forced to agree to neutrality and to rubber-stamp it

- That same Kiev government will have to be kept in power until next elections (and afterwards if they win) because if they are removed it will immediately invalidate any neutrality they agreed to

- Russia will also need that same government to keep the lid on colossal insurgency that will start brewing lest they get another Afghanistan

- Russia sets up military bases in West Ukraine as a tripwire against NATO

- Russians pray to God that they survive incoming financial chaos that will be coming their way


Scenario 2:

- Russia loses the war

- Russia collapses under financial stress and internal chaos

- Russia is forced to agree to demilitarization and neutrality

- Russia gets partitioned into​ more pliable smaller nations



There is no Scenario 3, after this it's win or die from them

They bet everything on a pair of sixes and the West has called their bluff

They either pull something out of their ass or they are finished and as it stands Scenario 2 looks more likely with each passing day



Also they have in the span of couple of days torched any aura of military power they built up during past several decades with this half-assed excuse for military operation

From now on anyone whom they try to intimidate will just laugh it off, ask the West for free weapons and say "If Ukrainians could stand against them so can we"


Like I said, Winter War 2

The dimwitry has significantly spiked on this thread.

First couple days this forum was an abandoned shelter with me and a few others posting by ourselves.

Arkanghelsk wrote:People are so totally unaware of what is going on

These areas where Russia is entering calmly are the areas that will be absorbed into Russia

Kherson, Zaporizhia , Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk , Chernigov, Sumy , Kiev, it's all being integrated to Russia

Are westerners so stupid to think Russia does not use bombs because it is incompetent?

Clowns, territory is #1 importance because this is an ANNEXATION operation

These lands are Russian lands

Novorossiya

The lands where Ukrainians are not pro russian, will be maintained by external authority, although forcibly in Russia orbit

Senator Medvedchuk and Savchenko will be invited to solovyov show and talk with Russians on shows

They will retain their flag and and identity, but they will be part of the union state

The areas Russians are taking now will be part of Russia

You can count on it , many referendums will be happening in Novorossiya

When Putin says we will not occupy Ukraine, he is speaking a half truth that goes over the heads of observers

Ergo, novorossiya is not Ukraine

The partition of Russian Ukraine is complete

That is denazification and demilitarization, it is annexation 

Crimea, donetsk, lughansk, kherson, Zaporizhia, Kharkov, Chernigov , Sumy, so on and so on

If it's like you say, it's genius. It has been studied. But nationalism is a powerful force. The problem is that western Ukraine borders anti-Russian countries. Hence my comment to clean them (I know it sounds horrible but it was the only way to eliminate the post war German problem). Hostile populations must always be cleared or re-educated. The only good thing is that they are Slavs, not Germans. They are still culturally related.

PapaDragon wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:I want azov to be tried and executed, now that Russia is out of council of Europe,  death penalty is back

Mariupol and Kiev , is where the main cleanup will happen, all those bandits must be captured, tried and executed

Well unfortunately you can't do that anymore

Now that this Winter War 2 fiasco is officially underway there are only two ways it can end:


Scenario 1:

- Russian Military (despite not using airforce, missiles and artillery for some reason) manages to destroy Ukrainian Military

- Kiev government is forced to agree to neutrality and to rubber-stamp it

- That same Kiev government will have to be kept in power until next elections (and afterwards if they win) because if they are removed it will immediately invalidate any neutrality they agreed to

- Russia will also need that same government to keep the lid on colossal insurgency that will start brewing lest they get another Afghanistan

- Russia sets up military bases in West Ukraine as a tripwire against NATO

- Russians pray to God that they survive incoming financial chaos that will be coming their way


Scenario 2:

- Russia loses the war

- Russia collapses under financial stress and internal chaos

- Russia is forced to agree to demilitarization and neutrality

- Russia gets partitioned into​ more pliable smaller nations



There is no Scenario 3, after this it's win or die from them

They bet everything on a pair of sixes and the West has called their bluff

They either pull something out of their ass or they are finished and as it stands Scenario 2 looks more likely with each passing day



Also they have in the span of couple of days torched any aura of military power they built up during past several decades with this half-assed excuse for military operation

From now on anyone whom they try to intimidate will just laugh it off, ask the West for free weapons and say "If Ukrainians could stand against them so can we"


Like I said, Winter War 2

It is annexation operation, there is no more Ukraine as you knew it

As for financials, Central Bank of Russia is already printing Rubles to provide liquidity to banks

Russia begins to increase money supply and intervene in the currency

Miss Niabulina must show her competency , or else Glazyev will be running the show

Arkanghelsk wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:Margarita Simonyan (Editor-in-Chief of RT) trolled the 5th & 6th columnists:

If you are now ashamed that you are Russian, do not worry, you are not Russian

she wrote in her Telegram channel.

I’m ashamed because a lot of Russians are pisdabols as you can see by our glorious military performance.  Not sure how they did so well in Syria. In Syria they performed better than the US military.

This war? Well we just took a time machine back to 2008 it seems.

The most embarrassing thing is that this was a planned invasion. That means a bunch of people sat down at a table and planned this crap out. Quite sad. Could have taken Kharkov Odessa and Mariupol already if there was a good plan and good training.

NATO could not secure Ramadi, Tikrit, Fallujah, Anbar after 4 years in Iraq 

Russia has done it in 4 days

Russia has not secured anything. They are dug in. Russia has taken heavy losses and tons of our conveys have been blown to bits. You admitted it yourself.  

400 to 500 KIA is heavy losses? That's the heaviest country of Europe

They went in doing policing tactics 

It's very good progress, and those cities have been surrounded and basically suppressed 

Mariupol, Kharkov, kherson, Sumy, Chernigov , Kiev , Izium, Novonikolayevka 

These are 8 cities 

Stop spreading bs

Dude you need to be realistic.
Russian army is not fighting like a modern army in the south of ukraine at least  .
There is ABSOLUTELY no excuse to not have drones 24 hours ,7 days a week flying over ukraine cities , with grenades. Once you kill a few of them with attack drones and upload those videos in social media and RT ,that will make ukraine army aware that there are drones in the skies killing them ,that they can't go outside to fight.   By having attack drones ,you pin down the enemy inside buildings and then surround them ,and finish them with portable grenades.

there is absolutely no excuse of having so many trucks without gasoline , either..  or attack helicopters providing fire support to the russian army..  this is almost funny..  because in syria
the russian attack hellicopters were doing things , incredibly risky and did it very well , was amazing their performance there.. but here in ukriane.. is like a totally different army.. maybe they using conscripts in the south ,and the only thing that could explain their bad tactics.. of just artillery , and sending small troops inside , without cover.. in suicidal missions.. just one sniper will ruin their day.

in wars there are always casualties we all understand that. but if russia lose soldiers , it shouldnt be
in stupid ways.. if ukraine was being as armed as azerbaijan was with turkish and israeli drones, then it will have been a massacre of the russian army.. and i warned about this.. the Russia general staff , so called "modern trainning" are totally obsolete..  you can't do artillery strikes in a zone infested with attack drones..  and s-300s hand pocked missiles are neither the weapon to take down skies infested by drones.. russian combat planes neither is the ideal tool. using a missile that is more expensive than the drone they targeting . you need either drones that hunt other drones 24 hours ,or energy weapons , like laser guns or electronic attack..  none of that is being used in ukraine.  

or something like this.. will work against drones very well.

modern anti air kinetic artillery



But this is too much to ask ,i guess ,the russian army don't have anything like that.. because they are so focused in soviet stile fighting , that don't want to change their trainning. so far russian army have not shown to be capable in a real war to deal with skies infested with atack drones. in practice their performance have been close to mediocre versus drones attacks.

And how can you explain that in donbass the russian airforce is not destroying to hell the 150,000 ukraine army in a static front line? that were bombing civilian cities?  with heavy anti bunker bombs  can anyone explain that?  

The only possible explanation ,that the russian airforce is not bombing to hell ukies in the ground in a long frontline,when ukraine airdefenses have been neutralized.. is that the teddy bear president have been given the order to give them a chance to retreat .. and want to save ork lives.  

In other words. that polite president putin , compassion for the orks.. of not killing too many have given the order to not wipe them and give them a chance to retreat or surrender. this is most likely the reasons for the poor performance of russian army in the southern and eastern fronts. Even kadyrov wrote a letter calling putin too soft.. vs the ukies ,trying to convince him to grow some balls ,and stop trying to save ukie army lives ,complaining to putin ,for his extremely softy  stance versus the ukrainian army of not using deadly force against them..  if they are killing your civilians ,why not bomb to hell them with airforce in their undergrounds bunkers in donetsk frontline? why not use chemical weapons that they breath poison ? is because putin have hope ,that those nazis , will hug each other with the russian army.. if they are show some love..

this is looking more like a light armenian war.. when it comes to the south front, that russia allowed the enemy to bomb armenian cities , and turkish drones wiped hundreds of armor supplied by russia.
This is bad.. that russian army show to the world mediocre performance vs an army without planes ,without air defenses and without modern tanks.. now everyone is talking about how ukies are giving
a lot of pain to russian army.. this is bad for russia image in the world and it encourage mercenaries in europe to join the fight. this poor performance of russian army is dangerous . will only help ukraine to earn military support from abroad from endless mercenaries.. russia will need to close the borders with romania ,hungary and poland.. if don't want to see a vietnam war in ukraine with millions of mercenaries joining the fight.

Regular wrote:

Orlan wrote:https://i.servimg.com/u/f81/20/40/96/40/20220210.jpg

This column is giving me huge incompetence vibe. In serbian army we are taught to keep about 50 m distance between vehicles, and 10 between men in column.

Yes, same here, we also were told to stagger columns what we did with our M113 during the moves, almost like infantry formation.

Russian forces should be aware that all US/NATO satellites and recon are on them and they are in the range of Ukrainian artillery.

Column of VDV armor has been roasted in Kiev by artillery yesterday in this same position

Russian MoD is giving away fried Russians as humanitarian aid apparently...

If they dont hug russians in those cities, it will be denazified (killed in battle)

Those lands are never going back to Ukraine, you can bet your ass on it

Denazification means : partition 

Demilitarization: replacement with Russian military

Finally got some sleep, almost 5 hours. Woke up to 10 pages of basically bullshit posted by the usual idiots with nothing but opinions and virtually zero real information. Twitter, Schitter, Times of London, Wapo and facebookass are not sources of information. Get real, ladies and gentlemen. If it ain't verified news of real events with verified images or footage, don't post it, and if you post a 'quote', do try to edit it down to the nuts and bolts of the statement.

Now. Reality. This is war. War between Russia and SehSha/EU. Some of you who are drooling for casualties, stop it. Even orcs have mothers and fathers and loved ones who shed a tear or three when their son or daughter is dead. For the very few orc sympathizers here popping wood (if you can) at the thought of thousands of Russian dead, go **** yourself. Anyone salivating for thousands of Uke casualties, go **** yourself.

I won't be here much for the rest of this war except for a fast look couple times a day. Even our new baby girl Kristl'Yannah at 11 months of age can carry on a better and more erudite conversation than a lot of what's posted here.

Link

Another reason why Russia went into Banderastan.

The US Department of Defense's Military Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) signed a secret agreement with Ukraine
at the end of 2021 to start biological experiments in the Kharkiv region at the end of February 2022.