miketheterrible wrote:OminousSpudd wrote:Ukrainian delegation on its way to Belarus. We will see what is brought to the table.
This message needs to be delivered coldly and in a monotone.
Then stand up and walk out.
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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #3
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Arkanghelsk wrote:People are so totally unaware of what is going on
These areas where Russia is entering calmly are the areas that will be absorbed into Russia
Kherson, Zaporizhia , Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk , Chernigov, Sumy , Kiev, it's all being integrated to Russia
Are westerners so stupid to think Russia does not use bombs because it is incompetent?
Clowns, territory is #1 importance because this is an ANNEXATION operation
These lands are Russian lands
Novorossiya
While this could make sense on the long run since it would be historical justice, I would assume they need to be integrated over the long run and ruled by a local administration. Of course in the current situation they can rush and admit them to RF straight away, but the complexity and burden it would place on the country would be huge. Probably most of the population is not ready for this at the moment.
Of course I agree they are being extremely careful because these areas will in any case integrate in the Russian sphere and that should be accepted voluntarily by the population (most civilians are indeed indifferent to this, from what I see in videos) and not maintained through violence.
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Do I care to make some more predictions about the Ukraine? Sure, why not!
1. Donetsk and Lugansk regions will continue on their path of closer and closer integration into the Russian Federation. They are already part of the Russian currency space, their educational systems are integrated with Russia’s (same standards and procedures), their defense systems are fully integrated and diplomatically they act as a well-synchronized unit.
2. An area further west, probably encompassing the entire basin of Dnieper River and the Black Sea littoral, from the Belorussian to the Romanian border, will be part of a Russian zone. The regions within this zone will be given political autonomy within a general security and economic framework linked to Russia. The rough outlines of this area can be determined from the following language map. The areas in red and orange—is Russian-speaking and is naturally part of the Russian zone. The only two exceptions will be a Carpatho-Russian enclave (in purple) which will need to be administered separately and a Hungarian enclave (in green) that might as well be absorbed into Hungary.
3. Further west will lie a zone that will be wrapped in fancy paper with ribbons and bows and presented as an extra-special present to the EU to love to cherish and to suffer migraines and aneurisms over. Roughly speaking, the yellow area is Ukrainian-speaking and is an all-you-can-eat (please don’t choke) buffet for the West. It has relatively poor soil and high incidence of iodine deficiency and imbecility in the general population. It is also where Ukrainian nationalism comes from and where the current Ukrainian Nazi plague originated. The Russian stance should be (if I may be so bold as to recommend what the Russian government should do) along the lines of “If you like your Ukrainian Nazis, you can have your Ukrainian Nazis.”
My take on the above
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I highly doubt that it has control in the western part of Ukraine. Mobile systems can't be taken out with Kalibr strikes.
But attack drones can.. and this is the point ,that Russia is not providing proper support to their military and attack drones can detect urko troops movements and send them running away ,but also can be used to take those mobile systems hiding inside cities.
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Why was this allowed to happen? It looks like it was a field which easily could e been cleared of ukrs. I see Z's and all. I don't believe they captured Kherson though.
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Russian Foreign Ministry statement
The European Union has decided to support the illegitimate US practice of imposing unilateral restrictive measures on Russia. Instead of analysing what happened and critically re-evaluating their role in the situation in the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, the EU has resorted to the sanctions approach mistakenly believing that they are an effective way forward. Contrary to internationally accepted rules, the EU restrictions affect a representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry.
As a reminder, the Western countries do not have a monopoly on international law or the driving forces behind international development. Under Article 8 of the Charter for European Security adopted at the OSCE Summit in Istanbul in November 1999, neither the EU, nor NATO “can have any preeminent responsibility for maintaining peace and stability in the OSCE area or can consider any part of the OSCE area as its sphere of influence.” No one authorised the EU to address the problems of war and peace in Europe; only the UN Security Council has this international legal prerogative.
In the case of the sovereign DPR and LPR, the EU did not even bother to delve into historical truth or to take steps to ensure the legitimate interests of the residents of Donbass, their human dignity and the desire for a peaceful life on their own land, things that have been flagrantly violated for eight years now. Where were the EU representatives when Kiev’s regime imposed a socioeconomic blockade on the DPR and LPR and issued orders to shell towns in southeastern Ukraine killing civilians? Where were they when the Verkhovna Rada was churning out laws that openly infringe on the rights of the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine, openly violating its obligations under the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the UNESCO Convention against Discrimination in Education, the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, Protocol 1 to the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, the Framework Convention of the Council of Europe for the Protection of National Minorities, the UN Declaration on the Rights of Persons Belonging to National or Ethnic, Religious and Linguistic Minorities, the document of the Copenhagen Meeting of the Conference on the Human Dimension of the CSCE and other documents?
Instead, the European Union pursued a policy of covering up the ultra-nationalist Ukrainian regime, which is responsible for the destruction of its own country and the destabilisation of the situation in Europe. Following open support for the anti-constitutional coup in Ukraine in 2014, the EU once again betrayed European ideals of respect for fundamental human rights and freedoms, trying to punish the peoples of the DPR and LPR for their democratic choice and self-determination. Hypocrisy has been elevated to the rank of politics.
Our repeated messages to Kiev and its Western handlers about the need to stop the violence in Donbass and to implement the Minsk Package of Measures have fallen on deaf ears. For them, the people of the DPR and LPR are just a bargaining chip. Even after Russia recognised the independence of these republics, the shelling not only did not stop, but even intensified. Given these circumstances, a decision was made to conduct a special military operation designed to stop the tragedy in Ukraine, which began after an illegal coup in 2014.
The EU’s continuing unfriendly steps against Russia and Russia’s fraternal DPR and LPR will not be able to stop the progressive development of our states and the provision of assistance to them. In accordance with the principle of reciprocity, which is fundamental to international law, we will take tough response measures.
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Instead they are being forced to fight against Russia. This is how low Ukraine can go.
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Lancet or Krasnopol would be prefect. Probably Krasnopol better for this particular case. One, maybe two rounds. Effective and economicArkanghelsk wrote:limb wrote:
You sound retarded.
Such positions can easily be destroyed by light loitering munitions like lancet with minimal collateral damage, yet they aren't being used.
Really armchair general? They go hiding in the buildings
Your a clown it's good your not leading even a lemonade stand
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caveat emptor wrote:Lancet or Krasnopol would be prefect. Probably Krasnopol better for this particular case. One, maybe two rounds. Effective and economic
Krasnopol and drones are already being used. Let the professionals do their f* job
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Man you are projecting too much. Get back down to earthArkanghelsk wrote:Yes the economic benefit of receiving 20 to 30 million people, pushing Russia to 200 million population,
Receiving antonov, zorya, nikolaev, chernozem, mines of donetsk and Lughansk, plants in dnipro make the losses fully worth it
God bless heroes who built New Russia
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In cities? I sincerely hope so.LMFS wrote:caveat emptor wrote:Lancet or Krasnopol would be prefect. Probably Krasnopol better for this particular case. One, maybe two rounds. Effective and economic
Krasnopol and drones are already being used. Let the professionals do their f* job
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So far, the "soft" approach seems to be genuine and is working. This is possibly the most humane and civilized invasion in a very long time. Very little infrastructure damage and civilian casualties. And very few blood and gore in social media unlike previous conflicts. I am quite impressed honestly.
Our feeds might be getting sanitized really really well by online sites, but I doubt it.
But I still do not understand for the life of me the Geogian war style, soviet era vehicled, no drone, no air support shit from this initial russian ground troops.
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limb wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t1szsv/destroyed_russian_convoy_in_kherson_allagedly/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Why was this allowed to happen? It looks like it was a field which easily could e been cleared of ukrs. I see Z's and all. I don't believe they captured Kherson though.
That was the second day of war.. where master polite president putin declared a cease of fire
for negotiations and apparently ukros took advantage of it to start an offensive . but apparently the russian army send a bigger force later the third day and took control of the place. we are now in the 5th day i think.
in other news a reports of ukraine ultranationalism.. who are the guys that russia wants to
arrest and remove from ukraine.
literary the nazis in mariupol have hostages , the civilian inside ,womens trying to leave the city
are assaulted by the nazis and likely raped. mariupol citizens are hostage by the nazis. hopefully
russia do not allow a single one of them to leave. this are the criminals that the european union and us and britain and canada arming to fight russians. After watching this video , there is no doubts in my mind that the city needs to be completely taken and the nazis arrested and put in a cold jail in the artic forever.. their stories of 8 years terror on civilians have to be told to the entire world. so not good to kill them.. they are more useful alive ,to expose the evil that the the european union and nato sponsor . This is how the west could hold control over ukraine , through fear and intimidation of its population , by terrorizing civilians . This is when they are not executed. The testimonies of civilians in ukraine , once liberated by russia,will show the world the disgusting crimes that europe , us ,canada and uk was sponsoring to continue.. Russia needs to provide video material to all nations
so they understand this criminal regime that nato was arming ,financing and sponsoring.
a major movie documentary needs to be made too so those criminals in europe and leaders in the atlantic west behind them ,can be taken to a new international court trial. for crimes against humanity.
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About capturing towns and city , where there are extremists , I think that infantry needs to be used . Those that say " they will hide inside buildings " are right . Equipment here , consists of a soldier with Rifle , fighting house to house and Room to Room . Better take small part of a city first . Clean it out and look after population . Then the civilian population will see the benefit of cooperation . Bit by bit !
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dl8E4Tmz_hs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CgCMBFcifVE
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