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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:20 am

    I find it funny how people criticizing this don't seem to see the reality of this.

    Russia is preventing as much innocent lives lost as possible and trying to destroy as little civil infrastructure as possible so that it can be used by Novorussia afterwards. Destroying anything and everything will net you hatred and years along with billions wasted just to restart it. Yeah, it's costing some extra lives which normally wouldn't, but it's a price to pay in this regard.

    Sure, Russia could have gone "operation: level it all" but the outcome would be far worst in long run. The only complaint I have is lack of AF patrolling to remove any enemy jets or lack of striking western Ukraines airfields.

    But since they are holding back all modern AD and jets and what not, it's because they are preparing for the worst. Hence why stationed in Belarus.

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    Post  Regular Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:21 am

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:

    Are you a military specialist?

    Never called myself one, we are not talking about trucks or logistics where I would specialize. I am no strategist and I am no tactician and I am no war economist. Like these boys getting shot in Kamaz trucks - I was told to go from A to B, tasks, maintenance, supply, paperwork crap and etc. Apart from infantry shit stomping in swamps when I had my knees still, my real experience ends here. Don't mind me, but I will not ask if you are a military specialist as I simply don't care. More than half of the people here served in the military and it doesn't make us smarter than say someone who was a hobbyist all life and has knowledge baggage of encypclopedia.

    I came to inform myself, not to read the same anti-Russian propaganda that I read in my country.

    Same here. Do you think I would be able to have the same discussions on pro-Ukrainian forums? It's all blue and yellow fanatism. I don't like it, I love to read challenging opinions, debunk and find new sources I never heard of.
    But what I don't understand how my post somehow stops you from being informed? What does your country say about Kadyrov as my post was about him?
    Don't be a little gay man, I never had any beef with anyone from being disputed, I am not all-knowing, it's up to yourself to digest the information you think is correct and discard what is an absolute lie. I am not sure if I am good at this or not.

    There are 4 days of war in the 2 largest country in Europe.
    I am aware, never said Russia will loose the war or did I? Reread my post. I believe that Ukraine has 2-3 days to live and they will tap out. Maybe I am wrong, I am not military SPECIALIST anyway. The size of a country is also the main problem I am concerned with.



    The United States needed six months and a world coalition to take over Iraq (a country previously destroyed and exhausted in the war with Iran)
    I don't care about how they performed, never did I mention US in my post. How does that relate to what I've said?
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    Post  limb Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:21 am

    miketheterrible wrote:I find it funny how people criticizing this don't seem to see the reality of this.

    Russia is preventing as much innocent lives lost as possible and trying to destroy as little civil infrastructure as possible so that it can be used by Novorussia afterwards.  Destroying anything and everything will net you hatred and years along with billions wasted just to restart it.  Yeah, it's costing some extra lives which normally wouldn't, but it's a price to pay in this regard.

    Sure, Russia could have gone "operation: level it all" but the outcome would be far worst in long run.  The only complaint I have is lack of AF patrolling to remove any enemy jets or lack of striking western Ukraines airfields.

    But since they are holding back all modern AD and jets and what not, it's because they are preparing for the worst.  Hence why stationed in Belarus.

    Why are you presenting lack of recon, drone strikes, artillery support, and large scale PGM strikes and killing civilians as a dichotomy?
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:22 am

    kvs wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    https://i.servimg.com/u/f83/20/39/25/54/siutat12.jpg

    Here is all you need to know, the northern grouping of forces will be reaching Poltava very soon, by the time the reach the Dnieper , 50% of Ukraine will be under Russian control

    It is rather clear that the immediate priority is to liberate the LDNR and destroy the regime forces built up for the final ethnic cleansing operation.
    People bitching about the total failure of the Russian operation and the super duper resistance of the regime are fully detached from reality.


    That's other key here. They are taking the brunt as they station more central Ukraine while enclosing on the enemy towards LNR DNR which will then free up roughly 50K troops from that area as they push westwards.

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    Post  OminousSpudd Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:22 am

    kvs wrote:
    OminousSpudd wrote:It seems strange considering the highly successful campaign in Syria that this one is going very... Differently. I am mostly concerned about the overwhelming lack of drones and general air support. Are the Russian tacticians actually surprised by the resistance from various nationalist battalions, Banderites et al.? Admittedly they've been able to walk through a lot of territory, but I don't consider the losses worth it, if the war can/could be waged cleaner, which I believe it can. I'm not going to pretend like I understand what is going on, but I hope there is some overarching strategy to tie this together/an achievable goal.

    The regime forces are lighting up the sky of Kiev and other cities with anti-aircraft barrages.   What are they shooting at?

    Do people really believe that UAVs have removed guerrilla warfare from history?   The Banderite irregulars are only able to engage in such warfare.
    Expecting zero losses is detached from reality.   But those losses have been constrained.   The US was endlessly harping about kill ratios in
    Vietnam but it lost anyway.   I do not see evidence that the Banderites will achieve any victory outside of westernmost Ukraine where Russia
    is not going to bother to engage in a pacification campaign.  

    I do not expect zero losses, and as we know the Russian appraisal of warfare is always very realistic (casualties will be sustained, material losses will occur), but seeing what look to be light infantry columns getting hit by ambushes is doing my head in. Admittedly VDV casualties are being overstated from what I've seen.

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Here is all you need to know, the northern grouping of forces will be reaching Poltava very soon, by the time the reach the Dnieper , 50% of Ukraine will be under Russian control
    Which is good. Progress is rapid, I am just concerned with execution. Taking the whole country, or at least up to the Dnieper within the 2 week mark seems achievable.
    We need some onboard footage from the aerial assets when/if they are in play.
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    Post  mnztr Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:23 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:...
    For the NATO clowns here you can compare the overwhelming difference between NATO and Russia

    The timeline speaks for itself

    Day 4 Russia is already taking major territory without bombardment
    ...

    And with bombardment they could have been​ halfway finished by now with minimum losses

    Whoever planned this commie-style "hearts and minds" bullshit needs to be court martialed




    How did shock and awe work for the USA after "mission accomplished" ? lol

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    Post  OminousSpudd Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:26 am

    Ukrainian delegation on its way to Belarus. We will see what is brought to the table.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:31 am

    limb wrote:What is your answer to PD's and regular's observation about the lack of air support, russian light brigades just waltzing in and columns being too densely packed?

    ALso south front reported that kharkov still hasn't been taken and the advance is slowing down. Is south front 5th column too?

    I've answered your first query. As to the 2nd, Kharkov is a very large city, the 2nd largest in Ukraine, yet you are insisting that Russia is failing because it hasn't fallen within 4 the days since the operation began?

    Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing /get up off the floor, compose myself... Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Seriously? Suspect

    The campaign to liberate Aleppo in Syria took months, Mosul in Iraq even longer, but sure... Putin-ite Moskals are dumb and useless cuz Kharkov, which the UkroNazis garrisoned and stocked to be their pivot defense node in the countries North East hasn't fallen in 4 days....

    Pls don't make me laugh anymore, my sides are aching...

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:31 am

    OminousSpudd wrote:Ukrainian delegation on its way to Belarus. We will see what is brought to the table.

    Probably scream at Russian delegation demanding they leave or else USA will nuke Russia or something stupid.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:32 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    limb wrote:What is your answer to PD's and regular's observation about the lack of air support, russian light brigades just waltzing in and columns being too densely packed?

    ALso south front reported that kharkov still hasn't been taken and the advance is slowing down. Is south front 5th column too?

    I've answered your first query.  As to the 2nd, Kharkov is a very large city, the 2nd largest in Ukraine, yet you are insisting that Russia is failing because it hasn't fallen within 4 the days since the operation began?

    Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing  /get up off the floor, compose myself...  Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Seriously? Suspect

    The campaign to liberate Aleppo in Syria took months, Mosul in Iraq even longer, but sure...  Putin-ite Moskals are dumb and useless cuz Kharkov, which the UkroNazis garrisoned and stocked to be their pivot defense node in the countries North East hasn't fallen in 4 days....

    Pls don't make me laugh anymore, my sides are aching...

    Kharkov is under Russian control now. Joint patrols between city police and Russian forces. Second largest city in Ukraine, now under Russian control. In 4 days. Outdid USA and their allies significantly.

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    Post  Regular Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:34 am

    miketheterrible wrote:I find it funny how people criticizing this don't seem to see the reality of this.

    Russia is preventing as much innocent lives lost as possible and trying to destroy as little civil infrastructure as possible so that it can be used by Novorussia afterwards.  Destroying anything and everything will net you hatred and years along with billions wasted just to restart it.  Yeah, it's costing some extra lives which normally wouldn't, but it's a price to pay in this regard.

    And what is happening now won't cause hatred for years to come? Where's the threshold? It's been 8 years since 2014, plenty of time for the hatred to wane.

    I would understand if Ukraine was something like Germany or Western Russia where roads are perfect. But infrastructure in Ukraine is crumbled and barely exists. Look at the state of the roads even in Kiev. It looks like war was there already. During 8 years of Swidomy country fall apart, you will need to put billions into it to rebuild, everything is stolen, sold, and abandoned. From water pipes, roads, heating, power lines. It's worse than Romania. Only worth thing saving there are civilian lives, but that's another topic.

    Sure, Russia could have gone "operation: level it all" but the outcome would be far worst in long run.  The only complaint I have is lack of AF patrolling to remove any enemy jets or lack of striking western Ukraines airfields.

    Literally the main worry for most of us and the main thing we whine about. Also, rotary craft operations should increase. Helicopters don't cause as much collateral as let's say, even most modern PGM strike.

    But since they are holding back all modern AD and jets and what not, it's because they are preparing for the worst.  Hence why stationed in Belarus.

    The worst? As in all out war with NATO?
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    Post  Scorpius Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:38 am

    Currently, the losses of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are at the level of 300-400 dead and a couple of dozen armored vehicles. Ukrainian losses are quite obviously ten times more. given the fact that the numbers of the warring factions are comparable, this is a catastrophic defeat of the Ukrainian army. After a couple of weeks of such losses, Ukraine will have no military equipment left.

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    Post  Regular Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:42 am

    Scorpius wrote:Currently, the losses of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are at the level of 300-400 dead and a couple of dozen armored vehicles. Ukrainian losses are quite obviously ten times more. given the fact that the numbers of the warring factions are comparable, this is a catastrophic defeat of the Ukrainian army. After a couple of weeks of such losses, Ukraine will have no military equipment left.

    How can you state it's 10x more if there are no proofs. They are all in the cities and cities weren't hit? Apart from destroyed columns, there's not much head-on fighting still, no large tank battles or anything. It's impossible to even say how many casualties Ukraine sustained. I think they will run out of ammo faster than equipment. Reason for that - ammo depots destroyed all over Ukraine.
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    Post  Vann7 Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:45 am

    kvs wrote:
    OminousSpudd wrote:It seems strange considering the highly successful campaign in Syria that this one is going very... Differently. I am mostly concerned about the overwhelming lack of drones and general air support. Are the Russian tacticians actually surprised by the resistance from various nationalist battalions, Banderites et al.? Admittedly they've been able to walk through a lot of territory, but I don't consider the losses worth it, if the war can/could be waged cleaner, which I believe it can. I'm not going to pretend like I understand what is going on, but I hope there is some overarching strategy to tie this together/an achievable goal.

    The regime forces are lighting up the sky of Kiev and other cities with anti-aircraft barrages.   What are they shooting at?

    Do people really believe that UAVs have removed guerrilla warfare from history?   The Banderite irregulars are only able to engage in such warfare.
    Expecting zero losses is detached from reality.   But those losses have been constrained.   The US was endlessly harping about kill ratios in
    Vietnam but it lost anyway.   I do not see evidence that the Banderites will achieve any victory outside of westernmost Ukraine where Russia
    is not going to bother to engage in a pacification campaign.  



    UAV don't make guerrilla warfare obsolete.. but it can significantly complicate their movements ..understand?

    So if you send light forces into a city infested with nazis and rpg rockets..  the least you can do ,
    at very least , is have many spy drones , becoming the fucking eyes of the russian military ,telling them where the ukies are moving ,so they not caught by surprise from where an ambush will come.

    Attack drones , like those from iran ,can be used in cities. they just throw grenades and the area of damage is very small , will not blow up an entire city.. and can be used to reduce civilians casualties and military casualties to zero.  some  long lines of convoys were not protected by air support and this is why the nazis could later film the destruction of burned bodies and even take selfies with russian burned soldiers.    

    the speed is not the problem.. the problem is how they don't care about safety and send their military alone without air support , producing too many unnecessary deaths of the military ,for what reason? for idiotic tactics. The russian airforce is not even used to bomb the front line in donetsk.
    so what the hell.. no enemy can fight in open terrain or even less show their head with an airforce dropping bombs on their bunkers to keep their heads down. You simply bomb to hell the ukros lines position and order your forces to charge on their positions and wipe them inside their bunkers. is simple tactics that always work.  There is absolutely no reason ,why can any army hold a line anywhere in the open field.. with an adversary airforce dropping bombs in their positions.. this is suicide.  and no ammount of bunkers could survive a wave of heavy bombs fired from abroad.
    the only  reason i can think of, about why the russian airforce is not dropping heavy bunker killer bombs or a mother of all bombs ,over their bunkers ,is because of teddy bear president don't want to kill those that bombed civilians. No , and simply wants they to retreat.  Neutral    is crazy stupid , the lack of airforce support and drone support for the russian army.  hopefully the generals will explain ,what can't be explained.. No


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:48 am

    Scorpius wrote:Currently, the losses of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are at the level of 300-400 dead and a couple of dozen armored vehicles. Ukrainian losses are quite obviously ten times more. given the fact that the numbers of the warring factions are comparable, this is a catastrophic defeat of the Ukrainian army. After a couple of weeks of such losses, Ukraine will have no military equipment left.

    Perhaps that's the reason why all NATO countries are so happy to send material help. And Britisk MoD also supports (read is goanna send mercenaries/army without uniforms ) to Ukraine.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:49 am

    limb wrote:Do you confirm or deny that Russian troops have been ambushed several times?

    I'm sure they have, because that is always a risk when conducting recon into enemy held areas. Shit happens. The enemy isn't stupid, and sometimes your luck turns sour. So what?

    Russia has clearly adopted a strategy to allow them to sieze Ukro territory and liberate the civilian population without causing the kind of horrendous carnage that is so typical of Western (ie US) air campaigns and ground force assaults. Russians have clearly determined that the Ukrainian populations of the South and the East are not inherently hostile to them, and have likely had more than enough of the daily repressions and brutality of the Ukropi nationalist regime. Take down the regime and liberate the cities intact and there will be no "insurgency". NATOstani dreams of such are ignorant wishful thinking, fuelled no doubt by the nonsense fed to them by Ukie nationalist mouthpieces in the regime itself.

    Russia is gaming for a maximal win here, and yes they are taking some risks, but to win big and crush your enemies (I'm talking about NATO & Globalist puppet-master here) you need to be bold and stick your colours to the mast where all can see. Russia has made a massive statement here, and the world order will never be the same again. US/EU/NATO intransigent bullshit has been answered in the harshest possible way and the Atlantacists are in full panic mode behind closed doors. The Bear is back, he has called their bluff, and these pathetic little beta-soi cuckolds feel the bitter bile of fear rising in their little pencil necks...

    Personally I think its a stroke of fcking genius and if Russia pulls it off (and I think they will) then people will writing about this shit in military doctrinal manuals for the next century. maybe not in the butt-torn West (at least initially anyways) but the rest of the world will see the facts on the ground for what they are.

    Slava Rossiya. russia fck mate, I'm not even the slightest bit Russian and yet I respect this nation above all others. Freedom is worth fighting for, and cowardice in the face of foreign plots and sedition is not rewarded in the hereafter.

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    Post  thegopnik Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:53 am

    have some humor guys

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:56 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    OminousSpudd wrote:Ukrainian delegation on its way to Belarus. We will see what is brought to the table.

    Probably scream at Russian delegation demanding they leave or else USA will nuke Russia or something stupid.

    The Russian position will be predictable. Surrender now. Unconditional. There will be no pause while we continue the advance. Ukrainian army units can surrender and we guarantee their proper treatment, but Ukronazi volunteer formations will be exterminated in the field, no quarter will be give, none will be sought.

    This message needs to be delivered coldly and in a monotone.

    Then stand up and walk out.

    Leave a card on the table with the Kremlins email address and hours of business. Mon-Fri 0800-1700. Public holidays excepted.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:00 am

    How about stopping the invasion and going back to Russia?

    Accept defeat and leave.

    Better do it now than after three or ten years with thousands of more dead Russians.

    It was a terrible idea to invade in the first place.

    Would not achieve the objectives... perhaps withdraw and take friendly civilians with them and then glass the place....

    One big looser of all of this is europe. Once Russia sanction them they will be in deepshit. And they did all of this for US and UK which left them. Now they are taking orders from them.

    When Russia shifts its cheap gas supply from Europe to Asia and so all the Middle East and US companies making big money supplying the expensive Asian market will have to shift to the European market I am sure Europe will understand the advantage they had with cheap energy because the price of Asian goods will drop... but how will they pay for it?

    There's no way Russia will loose this. It's just a question of why the deciding characters do not increase the airstrikes, missile strikes, artillery bombardment and so on. Are they really trusting in negotiations or just some strategy we do not understand yet. No one of us knows.

    Perhaps they might have better information about what is actually happening and are not being swayed by the BS on Twitter?

    It could even lead to disarmament of Russia. Strip it off from nuclear weapons, that is. Of course "voluntarily", the western-installed guy (whoever that would be) in Kremlin would sign it in order to guarantee "the world community" Russia will never ever again threaten the world peace.

    Come on... even after three days this has not caused anything like the damage or death or misery than any day the west has had in Syria or Libya or Iraq or Afghanistan or Yemen or any of the other countries they have invaded and are killing people with drone strikes.

    If any country or group of countries that needed to be disarmed it wouldn't be Russia, and if they could have they already would have.

    Russia has a weak hand in Ukraine. The country was lost decades ago and it is too late to try to take it back. It can be taken back only by force, and the maintenance costs will be too high for Russia.

    Your problem is that you don't listen to what Putin says and you just take what the western media says as fact....

    Putin didn't say he was going to absorb these two new republics into the Russian federation in fact he clearly said he recognised their independence from Kiev... not their new leadership in Moscow. Why would he want to occupy and absorb the rest of the Ukraine if he didn't want these two republics as part of the Russian federation?

    There will be no maintenance costs for Russia... Russia is not keeping most of the Ukraine, though it might keep the Black Sea bits... they will likely play that by ear.

    But Putin does need to leave after this. And stand trial eventually. Because all this shit is a massive crime, that is going to lead to misery for millions of people.

    What Crime... those millions of Orcs that are suffering were already suffering... and some nazis have been sent to hell.

    if it's Russian actions that destabilized the Ukraine to this wild extent.

    Western actions are what broke the Ukraine... repeatedly over three decades...

    I'm not saying to start bombarding cities outright. But more serious and heavy handed approach toward Ukr army should be a must. Otherwise you are just protracting it. At the end of the day, more Ru soldiers killed is much worse for majority of Ru population than more Ukrainian soldiers

    The obvious problem is that most of the Orc army is situated on the line with the Lugansk and Donbass regions, so most of the rest of the country probably has nutters who are zealots thinking they are stopping a Russian invasion... hey... even paranoid idiots can be right some times.

    The difference is that this is an attack to eliminate a threat... they are not staying unless it turns into a guerilla war and then they probably will stay.

    Careful what you wish for.

    Putin should be held accountable, and by whoever comes after him

    You mean medals and lots of statues?

    Stalin was held accountable by Khrushchev after the former died, and it had nothing to do with the West.

    Stalin did about as much bad as he did good and was guilty of quite a few crimes.

    People still perceive Russia as a brutal big bear as before.

    That is the weird thing... the west has always thought of Russia as a big brutal bear... now they complain that it is attacking a neighbouring country that has been attacking it verbally and economically for the best part of a decade now...

    And many people do understand why they decided to take on Ukraine. Some even say Ukraine is asking for it.

    The whole west was asking for it but only Ukraine will suffer for the moment.

    So it's true that one of the marvels of Soviet engineering, the An-225, was destroyed at Gostomel airport?
    TASS is reporting this referring to Ukroboronprom.

    Who cares... it was a point of pride to the nazis in charge of the Ukraine but they played no part in creating it really... it was a soviet plane.

    As for its future it didn't have one. Its purpose was outsized loads for a space industry that Ukraine doesn't have.

    Western media is claiming that the special operation has been halted by Ukraine and that this war would last long.

    First four words in that statement is all you need for that answer...

    EU will eat shit. Once the propaganda about Russia war doesn't interest people anymore they will start insulting the ukrainian refugees. Same hype was made during the first week of russian intervention in Syria and Crimea. After one week people get bored because what thry want in the west is sensationalist news.

    Also they recognise the continued reporting as a distraction from their own real problems and realise they are being had.

    Look you can push your BS all you want, but the reality is Russia is going to pay HARD economical for this.

    It was a price they were always going to have to pay to remain independent.

    You are honestly no better than the Ukrainian fanboys when it comes to damage control.

    Not at all... those ORCs are suffering terribly and I don't mean because of the current Russian intervention, their companies are in tatters.... they can't make anything any more, their navy and air force is a joke and their army thinks shelling civilians makes it tough and strong.

    What they got from their super wealthy western allies? Food? Money?... nope... weapons and loans... weapons they will get killed using and loans they have to pay back with interest...

    Russia has no future with the west so being cut from the western dominated international system of things is going to happen eventually... they will just build alternatives and carry on.

    The last 20 years they have rebuilt their country and returned to the forefront of technology in many areas, despite the west containing and constricting their growth and development and crushing countries trying to trade with them...

    What a powerful full partner they could have been...

    Europe is funny. So Russia will have no issue still flying to Asia and Africa but Europe is gonna have trouble flying to Asia.

    And Russian sanctions might be 12 months for German planes....

    Reviewed every year based on what sanctions the west renews...


    Calm down. You're so angry all the time, I get the impression that you're just a frustrated, autistic little virgin.

    Whataboutery will get you nowhere.

    He made a good point... rather more blood on western hands than Russian...

    But you are a Brit... proud inventor of the concentration camp and reprogramming subjects...

    Everyone should be held accountable to what they did. It is will be a process of improving the country and making elites aware that not everything is allowed. For that matter, both Gorbachov and that drunk idiot Yeltsin should have been, as well.
    If Putin is way wiser than i think, than kudos to him. Just my 2 cents.
    And spare me your diatribes.

    So start with western leaders first then perhaps and then you can have the morals to suggest the same for Russia...

    Expect nothing more than whataboutery from these brainlet f*ggots. It's all they know.

    We are beyond expecting real morals and real ethics from the west.. but you think it unreasonable to expect consistency?

    No wonder the west is fucked with morons like you people thinking your opinion even matters... how often do western leaders set aside time to talk openly and frankly to their people?

    What a bastard he must be... well he isn't your problem now... pretty clear Russia wants a separation from the west and all the sanctions they are talking about wont be enough.

    I am Serbian, you mother fucker and was in Kosovo. So shut the **** up.

    So Putin is a criminal... pretty clear who should be shutting up.

    Then prove they are false, otherwise you are just making up excuses and denying reality.

    If they are on facebook and they have not been deleted then they are orc propaganda.

    This is Vlads Forum and those disrespecting that former VDV soldier with Orc propaganda are about to be banned and posts deleted.

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    Perhaps that's the reason why all NATO countries are so happy to send material help.  And Britisk MoD also supports (read is goanna send mercenaries/army without uniforms ) to Ukraine.

    These mercenaries? Do the Geneva Conventions apply? If yes, respect laws of war. If not, castrate, interview, and send home half and interview and kill the other half. No more mercs.

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    Post  kvs Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:04 am

    miketheterrible wrote:I find it funny how people criticizing this don't seem to see the reality of this.

    Russia is preventing as much innocent lives lost as possible and trying to destroy as little civil infrastructure as possible so that it can be used by Novorussia afterwards.  Destroying anything and everything will net you hatred and years along with billions wasted just to restart it.  Yeah, it's costing some extra lives which normally wouldn't, but it's a price to pay in this regard.

    Sure, Russia could have gone "operation: level it all" but the outcome would be far worst in long run.  The only complaint I have is lack of AF patrolling to remove any enemy jets or lack of striking western Ukraines airfields.

    But since they are holding back all modern AD and jets and what not, it's because they are preparing for the worst.  Hence why stationed in Belarus.

    The regime forces have Buk systems and other AA systems stationed in residential areas. So it is not true that Russia has full control of the skies. I highly
    doubt that it has control in the western part of Ukraine. Mobile systems can't be taken out with Kalibr strikes. I think by now we can see that that Russia does
    not really need to fly a billion sorties like NATzO in all of its colonial marines wars (Iraq, Serbia, Syria, Libya, etc.).

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:07 am

    kvs wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:I find it funny how people criticizing this don't seem to see the reality of this.

    Russia is preventing as much innocent lives lost as possible and trying to destroy as little civil infrastructure as possible so that it can be used by Novorussia afterwards.  Destroying anything and everything will net you hatred and years along with billions wasted just to restart it.  Yeah, it's costing some extra lives which normally wouldn't, but it's a price to pay in this regard.

    Sure, Russia could have gone "operation: level it all" but the outcome would be far worst in long run.  The only complaint I have is lack of AF patrolling to remove any enemy jets or lack of striking western Ukraines airfields.

    But since they are holding back all modern AD and jets and what not, it's because they are preparing for the worst.  Hence why stationed in Belarus.

    The regime forces have Buk systems and other AA systems stationed in residential areas.   So it is not true that Russia has full control of the skies.   I highly
    doubt that it has control in the western part of Ukraine.   Mobile systems can't be taken out with Kalibr strikes.   I think by now we can see that that Russia does
    not really need to fly a billion sorties like NATzO in all of its colonial marines wars (Iraq, Serbia, Syria, Libya, etc.).  

    Yes, very true. In this regard, needs to be taken out by special forces. Or suicide drones. Probably safer to use drones.

    I'm talking though of striking western Ukraines airbases.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:24 am

    GarryB wrote:This is Vlads Forum and those disrespecting that former VDV soldier with Orc propaganda are about to be banned and posts deleted.

    x1000

    Its simply unbelievable that there are people who deny the basic nature of the Ukrainian nationalists and their Ukronazi enforcers.

    I can't fathom why some people can't see the obvious. Its like these people have been asleep since 2014, or even longer. Heck, the mindset of the nationalists was on public display back in 2004 in the so-called "Orange Revolution" (that subsequently foundered as the voters rejected the whackjobs and voted for Yanukovich). History later repeated itself when Zelensky was voted in to make peace and roll back the craziness, but the weak little clown was just intimidated by the Ukronazis and his US handler.

    Russia will tear down the Ukronazi regime and the Ukrainian public will get their 3rd chance to dismantle the toxic legacy of Stephan Bandera and its sponsorship by the CIA. The only question in my mind is which provinces will choose to exercise their rights to secede from Ukraine and join Russia proper? I think those who choose to remain in a rump Ukraine will be the exceptions rather than the rule.

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    Post  ATLASCUB Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:43 am

    https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1497042959186870277?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1497045830984896514%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedrive.com%2Fthe-war-zone%2F44452%2Fmassive-fireball-lights-up-the-sky-over-kyiv-as-russian-strikes-rock-the-city

    Better video of the Su-27 barbecue.

    Got no fucking idea how that pilot agreed to fly over Kiev alone. RIP.

    Also, those Migs transfers being talked about - mostly bluff.... but if stupid enough will end up like that carcass. Which is why it's mostly bluff.
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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:48 am

    My political ideology is right wing. I am a Catholic traditionalist and Argentine nationalist. I despise the globalism of the neo-fascist clowns who are friends of Zionism. I respect the intelligent left as long as it is nationalist.
    All Westerners and respectable people should support Russia. It is a beacon of honesty in the face of a sick world. It's an example to follow. You have that or suicide.

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