Russian special military operation in Ukraine #3

Limb

As I said, youre a retard. This is enemy territory. The people there are brainwashed and WILL wage a guerilla warfare. The priority is to protect russian troops, and youre delusional or mentally retarded to believe the "slavic brothers" and russian soldiers domn't benefit from the liberal usage of russian PGMs, drones, EW, and guided artillery Ukrainian industry is a useless rustbelt, and youre a retardfor believing its useful.

Hahahaha what are you some european? Kid, Russia just had a growth spurt 

A healthy one too

crod wrote:
Yeah wow so even Putin didn’t know about this because all I heard him say was some bollocks about nazis and some shite? One would’ve thought a WMD development facility on its borders to be used against Russia (according to the article) would be worth Putin throwing into the conversation. Silly me.
Please don’t let us read any more nonsense from you slagging off western media ffs when you post that dribble.

You see , Putin didn't know about Lugar labs in Georgia and Ukraine but they do exist. Form the other hand UK and Us knew about WMD in Iraq and there were broadly disseminated by independent western media. never found.

Western media till nowadays remain independent. From reality and facts.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Yes a guerilla war, they're surrendering to 50,000 Russians

Chechens were anti russian enthusiasts too

Look where they are now

Sit back and watch kids, you are watching Russia retake its historical lands

It cost a fortune in lives and finances to bring back Chechens under the control. Ukraine is quite bit bigger.

I am not sure if Russia has all the money to bankroll another puppet leader like Kadyrov on a bigger scale.

Regular wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Yes a guerilla war, they're surrendering to 50,000 Russians

Chechens were anti russian enthusiasts too

Look where they are now

Sit back and watch kids, you are watching Russia retake its historical lands

It cost a fortune in lives and finances to bring back Chechens under the control. Ukraine is quite bit bigger.

I am not sure if Russia has all the money to bankroll another puppet leader like Kadyrov on a bigger scale.

New Russia is worth it, all that workforce, all the industries, all the chernozem is definitely worth it

Russia obviously calculated that western sanctions vs growing to 180 million people was worth it from cost benefit analysis

I will venture to say GarryB was wrong, Russia wont focus on trading with distant neighbors at this point in time, Russia will focus on integrating new annexed lands into it's own economy 

And formalizing the union state , belarus and ukraine as you knew it are no longer existing 

Russia has grown considerably

Arkanghelsk wrote:Yes a guerilla war, they're surrendering to 50,000 Russians

Chechens were anti russian enthusiasts too

Look where they are now

Sit back and watch kids, you are watching Russia retake its historical lands

Winning the war with ukraine will not be too difficult for Russia to do, but what will be very difficult
almost a miracle , is to keep those civilians later happy , so they stop protesting the russian presence.
imagine a new euromaidan in kiev , but people asking russia to leave?

this is where russia will face big problems , in controlling the hostile population..
is western side cities and kiev that will be more pro europe.  Now just hours ago ,the european union offered ukraine to join the block.      So imagine that.. they did that ,to encourage all ukraine to reject russia and protest their presence there.  because they will believe that they will get jobs with european salaries, for everyone and that their future will be solved if join the west , but they will be asked to kick russia from their land.

europe was not interested in a beggar wellfare ukraine state ,before ,but when they see russia will control it.. then now they are interested.   Russia shold pay attention , that the european union policies are always motivated ,for the total destruction of their Russian nation..  turned a blind eye of US and britain aiding alqaeda in syria , turned a blind eye , on kiev genocide against russians in donbass.. but now they care about ukraine ,when russia is about to take it back.  

a bunch of hypocrites.. i no longer have any respect for european leaders.  The EU needs to be dismembered in a million of pieces. Specially for those mandatory vaccinations with bioweapons and now with their attempts to break russia for defending their nation security.

Regular wrote:

It cost a fortune in lives and finances to bring back Chechens under the control. Ukraine is quite bit bigger.

I am not sure if Russia has all the money to bankroll another puppet leader like Kadyrov on a bigger scale.

Are you a military specialist? There are 4 days of war in the 2 largest country in Europe.
The United States needed six months and a world coalition to take over Iraq (a country previously destroyed and exhausted in the war with Iran).
I came to inform myself, not to read the same anti-Russian propaganda that I read in my country.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Regular wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Yes a guerilla war, they're surrendering to 50,000 Russians

Chechens were anti russian enthusiasts too

Look where they are now

Sit back and watch kids, you are watching Russia retake its historical lands

It cost a fortune in lives and finances to bring back Chechens under the control. Ukraine is quite bit bigger.

I am not sure if Russia has all the money to bankroll another puppet leader like Kadyrov on a bigger scale.

New Russia is worth it, all that workforce, all the industries, all the chernozem is definitely worth it

Russia obviously calculated that western sanctions vs growing to 180 million people was worth it from cost benefit analysis

I will venture to say GarryB was wrong, Russia wont focus on trading with distant neighbors at this point in time, Russia will focus on integrating new annexed lands into it's own economy 

And formalizing the union state , belarus and ukraine as you knew it are no longer existing 

Russia has grown considerably

Annexing and keeping territory is not like hearts of iron IV or whatever paradox game youve been playing.

Vann7 wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Yes a guerilla war, they're surrendering to 50,000 Russians

Chechens were anti russian enthusiasts too

Look where they are now

Sit back and watch kids, you are watching Russia retake its historical lands

Winning the war with ukraine will not be too difficult for Russia to do, but what will be very difficult
almost a miracle , is to keep those civilians later happy , so they stop protesting the russian presence.
imagine a new euromaidan in kiev , but people asking russia to leave?

this is where russia will face big problems , in controlling the hostile population..
is western side cities and kiev that will be more pro europe.  Now just hours ago ,the european union offered ukraine to join the block.      So imagine that.. they did that ,to encourage all ukraine to reject russia and protest their presence there.  because they will believe that they will get jobs with european salaries, for everyone and that their future will be solved if join the west , but they will be asked to kick russia from their land.

There is no more Ukraine as you know it 

And brotherly Ukraine will be normalized as comrade andropov said in 1969 to Czechs 

The situation in brotherly Ukraine is in process of normalisatsiya

Arkanghelsk wrote:

New Russia is worth it, all that workforce, all the industries, all the chernozem is definitely worth it

Russia obviously calculated that western sanctions vs growing to 180 million people was worth it from cost benefit analysis

All industries of Ukraine are decrepit and everything that was worth was stolen and sold. Even Antonov is just a shadow. Kharkov tractor factory? Didn't Russia just flatten it?

What industry Ukraine has that is worth mentioning, mention just one.

The workforce is really questionable, most of the young Ukrainians are already away to Poland and other countries working and they are not coming back.

Russia also has chernozem and Russia is already world-leading in wheat export, literally no need for another agricultural land.

About sanctions - we will see. I am not an economist, maybe they will be harmless, I will ask Russians later on this week.

Regular wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

New Russia is worth it, all that workforce, all the industries, all the chernozem is definitely worth it

Russia obviously calculated that western sanctions vs growing to 180 million people was worth it from cost benefit analysis

All industries of Ukraine are decrepit and everything that was worth was stolen and sold. Even Antonov is just a shadow. Kharkov tractor factory? Didn't Russia just flatten it?

What industry Ukraine has that is worth mentioning, mention just one.

The workforce is really questionable, most of the young Ukrainians are already away to Poland and other countries working and they are not coming back.

Russia also has chernozem and Russia is already world-leading in wheat export, literally no need for another agricultural land.

About sanctions - we will see. I am not an economist, maybe they will be harmless, I will ask Russians later on this week.

Those industries will be rebooted same as how Russian ones were

Amur Shipyard was decrepit and decayed

NPO Saturn was built from scratch 

Antonov and Zorya will undergo this process, it will take years but it will happen 

Russians went to Ukraine to reclaim their border , deal with it

Regular wrote:

All industries of Ukraine are decrepit and everything that was worth was stolen and sold. Even Antonov is just a shadow. Kharkov tractor factory? Didn't Russia just flatten it?

What industry Ukraine has that is worth mentioning, mention just one.

The workforce is really questionable, most of the young Ukrainians are already away to Poland and other countries working and they are not coming back.

Russia also has chernozem and Russia is already world-leading in wheat export, literally no need for another agricultural land.

About sanctions - we will see. I am not an economist, maybe they will be harmless, I will ask Russians later on this week.

Traditional: Gas, oil, nuclear energy, food...

for exemple, Forbes magazine published a note about the Ukrainian technology sector (game development, sofware, hardware)

Big_Gazza wrote:

Tingsay wrote:The sheer incompetence shown by the Russian military is astounding! What's the point of all those exercise they kept showing for years when they're just gonna turn back to the Georgian war style fighting more than a decade ago.

The only reasonable explanation I can think of is that this first batch of soldiers are under-trained, under-equiped low morale sacrificial meat-shield pawns are sent to absorb as much blows as they can before the real professional army rolls in.

What can I say?

Another fukwit relegates to the blocked list.  

I'll have to write a personal thank-you letter to Putin and Shoigu.  A side benefit of this is that the fools in the forum are falling all over themselves to wear pin their stupid to their lapels

What is your answer to PD's and regular's observation about the lack of air support, russian light brigades just waltzing in and columns being too densely packed?

ALso south front reported that kharkov still hasn't been taken and the advance is slowing down. Is south front 5th column too?

Big_Gazza wrote:

limb wrote:Im starting to believe that the russian generals are trying to sabotage the operation by using poorly equipped units as cannon fodder, and not using the Russian air force and drones to their fullest capacity.

I'm starting to think you don't have a clue what is actually happening on the ground.  Frankly I'm a little flabbergasted that people can hold such opinions.  Watching too much Twatter and CNN drivel methinks...

Then enlighten us.

It seems strange considering the highly successful campaign in Syria that this one is going very... Differently. I am mostly concerned about the overwhelming lack of drones and general air support. Are the Russian tacticians actually surprised by the resistance from various nationalist battalions, Banderites et al.? Admittedly they've been able to walk through a lot of territory, but I don't consider the losses worth it, if the war can/could be waged cleaner, which I believe it can. I'm not going to pretend like I understand what is going on, but I hope there is some overarching strategy to tie this together/an achievable goal.

I have to emphasize, Syria was a materclass in combined arms, including the use of new tech. They were so confident they were actively using entirely new systems and field testing them. Stranger yet, much of the Syrian campaign made use solely of SSO, backed up by VKS and hefty artillery support. How/why is Ukraine so different? Surely Lancet, Krasnopol, SVP-24, Ataka etc. are all viable here?

OminousSpudd wrote:It seems strange considering the highly successful campaign in Syria that this one is going very... Differently. I am mostly concerned about the overwhelming lack of drones and general air support. Are the Russian tacticians actually surprised by the resistance from various nationalist battalions, Banderites et al.? Admittedly they've been able to walk through a lot of territory, but I don't consider the losses worth it, if the war can/could be waged cleaner, which I believe it can. I'm not going to pretend like I understand what is going on, but I hope there is some overarching strategy to tie this together/an achievable goal.

Here is all you need to know, the northern grouping of forces will be reaching Poltava very soon, by the time the reach the Dnieper , 50% of Ukraine will be under Russian control

OminousSpudd wrote:It seems strange considering the highly successful campaign in Syria that this one is going very... Differently. I am mostly concerned about the overwhelming lack of drones and general air support. Are the Russian tacticians actually surprised by the resistance from various nationalist battalions, Banderites et al.? Admittedly they've been able to walk through a lot of territory, but I don't consider the losses worth it, if the war can/could be waged cleaner, which I believe it can. I'm not going to pretend like I understand what is going on, but I hope there is some overarching strategy to tie this together/an achievable goal.

The regime forces are lighting up the sky of Kiev and other cities with anti-aircraft barrages. What are they shooting at?

Do people really believe that UAVs have removed guerrilla warfare from history? The Banderite irregulars are only able to engage in such warfare.
Expecting zero losses is detached from reality. But those losses have been constrained. The US was endlessly harping about kill ratios in
Vietnam but it lost anyway. I do not see evidence that the Banderites will achieve any victory outside of westernmost Ukraine where Russia
is not going to bother to engage in a pacification campaign.

Big_Gazza wrote:

Regular wrote:

limb wrote:Why is it still in russian doctrine to have tight convoys?

Incompetence, if someone will try to argue this - they are insane. Russia didn't use tight convoys in 2nd chechen war for a reason

Its not, unless the territory they are transiting is devoid of enemy forces.  Ukronazis have no air power, minimal C3I, no available forces to respond, and the convoys face no threat from air interdiction or arty.  Russians are adapting their operational deployments and logistical trains to suit the combat environment.  Why disperse your convoys when you have such solid control of the theatre?

Seriously, you really are making yerselves sound like horses arses by writing this kind of utter nonsense.  

Do you confirm or deny that Russian troops have been ambushed several times?

Russians have reached tokmak after taking Berdyansk

Tokmak is opposite direction of berdyansk, whereas berdyansk leads to mariupol

Tokmak leads to Zaporizhia, then Dnipro

Progress is very rapid

OminousSpudd wrote:It seems strange considering the highly successful campaign in Syria that this one is going very... Differently. I am mostly concerned about the overwhelming lack of drones and general air support. Are the Russian tacticians actually surprised by the resistance from various nationalist battalions, Banderites et al.? Admittedly they've been able to walk through a lot of territory, but I don't consider the losses worth it, if the war can/could be waged cleaner, which I believe it can. I'm not going to pretend like I understand what is going on, but I hope there is some overarching strategy to tie this together/an achievable goal.

I have to emphasize, Syria was a materclass in combined arms, including the use of new tech. They were so confident they were actively using entirely new systems and field testing them. Stranger yet, much of the Syrian campaign made use solely of SSO, backed up by VKS and hefty artillery support. How/why is Ukraine so different? Surely Lancet, Krasnopol, SVP-24, Ataka etc. are all viable here?

Very different territory and type of war. Our friend Al Assad had no problem burning the ISIS terrorists to ashes.
What happens is that the bar and expectations with Russia are very high. And also the anti-Russian sectors take advantage of every detail to criticize.

Arkanghelsk wrote:
https://i.servimg.com/u/f83/20/39/25/54/siutat12.jpg

Here is all you need to know, the northern grouping of forces will be reaching Poltava very soon, by the time the reach the Dnieper , 50% of Ukraine will be under Russian control

It is rather clear that the immediate priority is to liberate the LDNR and destroy the regime forces built up for the final ethnic cleansing operation.
People bitching about the total failure of the Russian operation and the super duper resistance of the regime are fully detached from reality.

In Syria, Al Assad had no problem with the Western media and the fake human rights. Putin is careful because he is in the spotlight.