Russian special military operation in Ukraine #3

Tingsay wrote:The sheer incompetence shown by the Russian military is astounding! What's the point of all those exercise they kept showing for years when they're just gonna turn back to the Georgian war style fighting more than a decade ago.

The only reasonable explanation I can think of is that this first batch of soldiers are under-trained, under-equiped low morale sacrificial meat-shield pawns are sent to absorb as much blows as they can before the real professional army rolls in.

Which would be even worse than what they did in Georgia

They are rolling around in tanks from the 70s with no air cover and are coming off like complete chumps

At what point were they told that they are going to actual war? Were they told at all?

Because​ most of them behave like they are driving through Russia instead of hostile nation, some morons even stopped to do shopping FFS...

Isos wrote: They take only whites as refugees. Black ukrainians refused in trains for Poland. Now it's all over the world. They just lost the support of 5 billion people. Westerners will end up excluded of the world. That would be so good to see.

The official visuals of Ukrainians blocking Africans from getting on trains. #AfricansinUkraine pic.twitter.com/hJYpM3LY0A

— Damilare / ViF (@Damilare_arah) February 26, 2022

Lost my ass

This will probably bring racism back in vogue and make it cool again

Ukraine is now the most popular thing on the planet, of this drags on any longer the UPA will be reevaluated as WW2 allies and Generalplan Ost will be seen as missed opportunity

Russia is on the verge of retroactively losing WW2 with this candyass bullshit

Arkanghelsk wrote:...
For the NATO clowns here you can compare the overwhelming difference between NATO and Russia

The timeline speaks for itself

Day 4 Russia is already taking major territory without bombardment
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And with bombardment they could have been​ halfway finished by now with minimum losses

Whoever planned this commie-style "hearts and minds" bullshit needs to be court martialed

Arkanghelsk wrote:https://i.servimg.com/u/f83/20/39/25/54/screen17.jpg
NATO capabilities are that of a paper tiger

NATO didn't lose 500 soldiers in 3 days

And they won

Russia is yet to even get close to winning this


Serbia was fighting massive terror insurgency while being bombed by entire NATO air fleet and Navy for 3 whole months and we lost less than 2000 soldiers

Navalny must be secretly happy that the Kremlin chessmaster started this war.

Navalny is a nothing and a no one.

Popular in the west like Guano, but nothing at home.

Putin, **** you!

Actually it will be Putin fucking you... you are in Europe are you not?

I say time has now come for Putin to activate those launch codes

Nah... that would be suicide. The response to western countries seizing Russian assets in the west is to seize western assets in Russia...

Japanese don't have a natural hatred towards the US like the Ukrainians do against the Russians.

Japs have an inbred hatred of anything not Japanese... including all their neighbours which they showed during WWII.

The Japanese look up to Americans while the Ukrainians look down to Russians.

Funny they can both be so wrong.

Did Kremlin chessmaster see this beforehand? No?

Did Kremlin chessmaster see this beforehand? No?

It was always an option so probably yes, but with HATO continuing to expand and sanctions continuing there is nothing to lose in such a play.

Also Twitter is not the most reliable source, I posted pro Russian posts and it got deleted.

So pro Russian voices are being blocked on Twitter, which means Twitter is not longer an acceptable source of information as far as this forum is concerned.

After the war ends, is the guerilla movement going to be huge?

Once the Russians have reached the goals they wanted they will retreat to border lines they think are acceptable.

Any terrorists want to play games within those borders should expect no mercy.

The only reasons why that come to mind are:
A) They are really trying to squeeze every penny out of this conflict.
B) They are masking the true capability of their forces.

It could be both.

These are light recon forces probing into enemy territory... the first attacks seem to have been fuel depots and weapon caches of the enemy which will seriously effect their ability to respond, while light mobile forces move up looking for resistance and also negotiating with local officials for peaceful solutions before moving on.

The Nazis will likely act like the KLA and ambush and sabotage Russian forces near Ukrainian groups that wont help them in the hopes they lash out and turn the general population against them... whether it works or not comes down to the Russian leaders and Russian troops, but I am sure they would be expecting such tactics.

Hopefully they achieve their objectives quickly and can then start neutralising forces moving from the front line with the Donbass and Lugansk fronts where the bulk of the Orc army resides.

But this whole thing is playing out like a giant reverse of the 404 incursion into Donbas: the deep penetrations without clearing flanks being picked off by ambushes, the widespread civilian hostility, its like they have learned nothing from 2014, the successive 8 years & Syria.

Being picked off by ambushes according to the Orcs...

Russians driving into Kharkov like it's parade, losing Tigrs and men with no reason...

The west thinking they could contain Russia and make her their bitch with no reaction or consequence.

When the Soviet troops removed Japanese forces from China and Manchuria they sent officers ahead to negotiate surrender... sometimes they got killed, but when it worked it probably saved thousands of lives.

I understand the west would just carpet bomb and murder all these people because they are evil .

Not sure why you are confusing Russia with the west... haven't you worked out they are not the same yet?

Putin has shot himself in the foot, killed what legacy he had and most likely hastened the end of his government unless repression is ramped up. Lukashenka’s days are numbered now too, IMO.

Putins days have been numbered for one and a half decades... still going though.

Racialised double-standards

The tolerant west showing its real colours... there is no black or brown in a rainbow flag...

This is for PapaDragon(regarding the sanctions).

Nice post Par far.

UK warns of Russia-NATO conflict

Foreign Secretary says West should be ‘prepared for a very long haul’ in Ukraine and a potential clash between Moscow and the military bloc

The straights are closed to Russian ships but I am sure UK ships to land on Crimea will be allowed through... then we can talk about losses.

Wait....what... don't want to play that game?

Then why talk the talk?

You are being delusional here. Even Putin said 10 days ago, that Russian forces are no match to NATO ones. He said that plain and simple.

But no match does not mean cannot beat... even if the conflict is one sided the other side can balance things with tactical nukes which renders any strong force a target...

And the damage that will have been done to Russia and it’s economy, it’s reputation and political stability will be a hammer blow for decades to come and could even result in a coup or revolution and mass repression

The west has been pushing Russia away for the last decade and a half... this just completes the process... Russia is self sufficient enough to survive and grow.

I sure hope Putin is bluffing; And I hope NATO knows this, but listens all the same.

Putin is not bluffing and HATO had better start to work that out and starts listening to what he has been saying all this time... and fire their fucking stupid advisors who thinks restraint is weakness and diplomacy is weakness.... Putin used both and you treated him like a weakling.... how is that working out?

Except, Washignton has a lot of experience playing these games.... and they usually win most of them in the modern era.

The problem for Zelensky is that he and his entire country are expendable as far as Washington is concerned... hell the energy situation in Europe shows they think the EU is expendable too, but both seem too dumb to notice because they are still following orders thinking Biden knows what he is doing.

He doesn't.

This is compounded by the fact that during the Cuban Missile crisis the new US president knew the missile gap and the bomber gap were both huge and both actually in favour of the US... can't really say the same now though can we? The US president does not have overwhelming superiority in anything... his navy cannot approach Russian waters in fear of being immediately being sunk, and they have just as many nukes as you do... and probably better quality and performance.

He tried everything, missile, spetnaz, chechens, and nothing seems to work. Some land conquered up north and up Crimea, which will be hard to keep anyway.

So he uses nuclear deterrence as a type of last man standing. I do think hes really loosing his sanity. Weird speeches, and now this.

Putin is not the problem... he is in the process of getting what he wants and is clearly past caring what the west will do... he is ready for any eventuality... is the west?

He chickened out in 2014 and is doing a half measure campaign banking on certain enemy behavior that is not translating into reality. A change of tactics is thus needed.

As usual, you are suggesting tactics you know would fail... reduce casualties amongst the Russian forces and kill lots more civilians to turn against them, while basing your understanding of the current situation on Orc propaganda.

Like listening to Israel about the situation in Israel.... the Palestinians want to leave and they want Jewish settlements on their land because obviously it increases the land value...

Take the fucking Ukraine by force and be done with it. Partition it off in little pieces. Russians have always been historically well versed in this subject considering the expansion and contraction of the Russian empire over time.

That would be the US plan... for the Ukraine and for Russia further down the track...

I can't believe Russia is again going for negotiations.

Kiev is using the negotiation option only as a way to buy time. They say we're going to negotiate, Russia winds down operation, Ukraine prepares new positions and calls negotiations off.

This is starting to look quite bad.

Who said Russia is slowing down operations?

You are right about NATO not sacrificing itself over Ukraine but the threat of nuclear war in this event cannot be ruled out.

The US and HATO don't respect Russia and can only communicate from a position of strength... if they don't learn respect soon that 6 million count sunscreen they have called nuclear bunkers might come in handy.

As for the clown, he under US control. He cannot negotiate, even if he wanted to.

Has the US actually paid him enough for that to be the case?

I think he was expecting to get rather more support than he has been getting so far... what happens if Russia offers him a better deal than the endless war that the US wants for Russia?

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Personally all this talk about nukes, nuclear war blah blah is nonsense. There will be no nukes flying back and fourth, there will be no nuclear war, there won't be invasions of Belarus, Kaliningrad, or the Baltic's. NATO, USA and UK won't go to nuclear war over Ukraine. And EU countries would never allow nuclear war especially on their doorstep on within their own country. They never actually cared about Ukraine or Ukrainians just lied to them, fed them the promise of protection, NATO membership and EU membership it was all LIES, they did this to push Russia, USA wanted a reason to slap sanctions on Russia so the EU would sanction NS2, USA are butt hurt about the project. Ukraine was duped plain and simple. So let's stop clogging this thread with nuclear nonsense and invasions of countries that will never happen. This isn't a command and conquer PC game your playing.
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Hope you are right, but normally when you isolate and contain or corner an animal it is because you either fear it or want to eat it or both... in either case I am sure the cornered animal probably thinks it has less to lose than those that are trying to corner it.

Some people would like to take the ultimate selfie with a mushroom cloud as a backdrop. Nuclear war is not an option.

Western stupidity is making it more and more look like the only choice... cutting off all opposition or explanation from Russia, demonising them... this is not a case where they want dialogue or any diplomatic solution... they want war... but only a war that hurts Russia and by definition Ukraine also... it will damage Russia but destroy the Ukraine.... but then the west didn't care in Chechnya and they wont care in Ukraine... it wont hurt them... they will carefully measure their "support" to avoid getting directly involved I am sure, but will Putin let them?

Sounds like we could all do with someone turning Putin’s grey matter into wallpaper, if he’s as mental as is being implied.

I would say the problem is in Washington and London and Brussels and Berlin and Paris and Kiev... maybe whack them first and see if that fixes things.

How is these people sending weapons into this country reducing the suffering... sending such weapons only makes the suffering of the Russian forces greater, which will directly lead to a change of tactics and you can bet the local civilians will be suffering more... all thanks to western donation of weapons.

The irony is that they likely already have more than enough weapons anyway.

Yeah, I think its pretty obvious for everyone now, that the man is getting insane by the minute.

I would say perfectly rational... he gave the west every chance and they called him weak and his "demands" that they honour promises made as impossible... what hope for Minsk or Minsk II or Minsk 500 ever working when Kiev blatantly ignores obligations to talk to these regions and sort this out and instead moves his entire armed force to its borders and invades and occupies large parts of these regions and shells innocent civilians?

If the west is ok with that then **** the west... why should Russia give a damn what the west or western politicians or western media say to them when they ignore such war crimes?

Perhaps less of the kool aide and you could understand... but what difference would that make?

Putin has given up on the west I think he is past caring what you think... the sooner that Russia gets in step the better for Russia and the rest of the world.

I don’t like agreeing with Putin shills but I must.

Of course... if you don't follow the western propaganda then you are putins puppet because alternative views are not allowed... next time instead of accusing someone of being Putins puppet just tell them they have committed a thought crime and need to be punished... they will understand I am sure.

How will it affect the whole of this situation, wouldn't it just escalate it further? Where does it end?

Who started the escalation... where did this situation come from... bit late to be complaining that the victim has over reacted and we were only playing a game...

You never say no to negotiations. I just don't have faith in the Russians making a good deal. We remember 2014's deal and how that went... "the next day, Yanukovich was out of power"...."we were cheated"... No A victim soap opera for being stupid.

Blame the Russians as weak and negotiating in good faith when the west are a bunch of dirty that can't be trusted in any situation at all... which is probably why Putin is not too worried about western sanctions.... I doubt Russia will try very hard to make new ties or relations with the west after this is over...

He isn't. But he does seem to have backed himself into a bit of a corner.

Well that's what happens when someone is on the throne for too long, like somebody already said.

When someone has been on the throne that long they know they have tried absolutely everything with talking heads on all sides of the western political system that can achieve power in their countries and he knows progress is simply not possible... the west is not looking for a partnership... they are looking for capitulation and submission... and nothing else will do.... remember they won the cold war and you are the loser so you have to do what we say...

Russia ruined its own moral authority by invading, regardless of how 'politely' its troops behave.

The west does not respect Russia, in western eyes Russia has no moral authority and only does things to counter the west because it is jealous it is not part of the west which it can never be.

There is not future with the west... I have been saying this for a decade now... it is time you accepted it as true.

Everyone supports Russia acting in defense. But I doubt most Russians support the campaign against the Ukraine at the moment.

I support Russia because I know what shit the Ukraine has been up to the last 8 years and all the shit before that and all supported by the west wanting to create another afghanistan for Russia... which is ironic because it was afghanistan for the Ukraine too back then, but if those fuckwits want to play...

Killing them in the Ukraine is easier than putting up with their shit trying to destabilise Russia because that would be next.

No one sees Russian troops as polite apart Russians, they already reporting about rapes and looting and it's all over Western Media.

The reports started between the journalist and his editor without leaving the building.

Didn't see you as a 5th columnist nazi lover.

I don't see an exit from this at all, there's no bunny in the hat. Nuclear posturing, be it if it's deterrent forces is not a sign of strength from where I look at it.

They will execute their mission and then withdraw to lines they decide and then prepare to exterminate anyone attempting to make this a forever war.

But, on general, i agree with you. It was badly planned and this is on Putin. Probably, his biggest geopolitical mistake so far.

So hard and heavy obliterating everything in sight the American way... so every Ukrainian is the enemy except those in the Donbass and Lugansk?

Wouldn't that defeat the whole reason for this attack in the first place... to finally put an end to a slow burning forever war?

Donetsk Forces will now be using captured NATO equipment on Ukrainians

Great way to take down hit and run teams in light civilian vehicles...

Problem is how will he back down now?

Why should he back down.... he is not wrong.

He's not American.
He's from Little Britain

Don't tarnish Little Britain like that... quality humour.

Think he's just jealous that the USA has clout that Russia lacks.

Clout? It is a bully... much like the UK was a bully when it had any power... Russia isn't trying to replace the US in its position... it is trying to smash the institutions and international power structures that the US controls and uses against the world... HATO is one and SWIFT is another...

Same shit.

Different shit, same smell... and gets right in to the tread marks on your shoe when you stand in it...