Russian special military operation in Ukraine #3

Krepost wrote:This happened yesterday:
Ukrainians threw a molotov cocktail on their own Tochka and burned it.
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/1736?single

Lies. It's Osa, probably destroyed during artillery strike on the convoy.

Kherson residents are happy to see the Russians forces.

Krepost wrote:This happened yesterday:
Ukrainians threw a molotov cocktail on their own Tochka and burned it.
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/1736?single

Looks like OSA to me.

Trophy:
Captured US made M141

Ukrainian Nazguardia giving confessions.

https://t.me/bmpd_cast/10727

Russian POW from incursion, the one that rolled in with bronekapsula and Tigr.

Ukrainians are forcing him and threatening to shoot him if he doesn't say slava Ukraini. He eventually says... Glory to Ukraine... And to Russia...

He has some balls, all POWs in this war just parrot what their captors say. Hope exchange can be made.

The sheer incompetence shown by the Russian military is astounding! What's the point of all those exercise they kept showing for years when they're just gonna turn back to the Georgian war style fighting more than a decade ago.

The only reasonable explanation I can think of is that this first batch of soldiers are under-trained, under-equiped low morale sacrificial meat-shield pawns are sent to absorb as much blows as they can before the real professional army rolls in.

Big_Gazza wrote:Margarita Simonyan (Editor-in-Chief of RT) trolled the 5th & 6th columnists:

If you are now ashamed that you are Russian, do not worry, you are not Russian

she wrote in her Telegram channel.

I’m ashamed because a lot of Russians are pisdabols as you can see by our glorious military performance.  Not sure how they did so well in Syria. In Syria they performed better than the US military.

This war? Well we just took a time machine back to 2008 it seems.

The most embarrassing thing is that this was a planned invasion. That means a bunch of people sat down at a table and planned this crap out. Quite sad. Could have taken Kharkov Odessa and Mariupol already if there was a good plan and good training.

https://t.me/warjournaltg/11800

Russian POW are being told that they will show how Azov will cut people's heads. "Nice" treating with POWs.

Tingsay wrote:The sheer incompetence shown by the Russian military is astounding! What's the point of all those exercise they kept showing for years when they're just gonna turn back to the Georgian war style fighting more than a decade ago.

The only reasonable explanation I can think of is that this first batch of soldiers are under-trained, under-equiped low morale sacrificial meat-shield pawns are sent to absorb as much blows as they can before the real professional army rolls in.

Completely wrong, the troops that went in were special forces

They are operating without air cover , and are not fighting as mass combined arms units

They are moving light forces into the cities and clearing them 

That's the strategy, to minimize civilian casualties 

That's from high up,  the disinformation campaign of the west doesnt change the reality on the ground

NATO could not secure ramadi, Fallujah, Anbar, Tikrit or even Mosul

And they decimated the whole country 

The invasion has been a success for being a recon in force without supporting assets

Most of the Ukrainian cities have no way of being linked together or receiving support 

They are at Kiev already and closing it

Most UAF brigades are trapped in the east

That's why Russia is driving vehicles like that

Theres nothing between them and kiev right now

They take only whites as refugees. Black ukrainians refused in trains for Poland. Now it's all over the world. They just lost the support of 5 billion people. Westerners will end up excluded of the world. That would be so good to see.

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:Margarita Simonyan (Editor-in-Chief of RT) trolled the 5th & 6th columnists:

If you are now ashamed that you are Russian, do not worry, you are not Russian

she wrote in her Telegram channel.

I’m ashamed because a lot of Russians are pisdabols as you can see by our glorious military performance.  Not sure how they did so well in Syria. In Syria they performed better than the US military.

This war? Well we just took a time machine back to 2008 it seems.

The most embarrassing thing is that this was a planned invasion. That means a bunch of people sat down at a table and planned this crap out. Quite sad. Could have taken Kharkov Odessa and Mariupol already if there was a good plan and good training.

NATO could not secure Ramadi, Tikrit, Fallujah, Anbar after 4 years in Iraq 

Russia has done it in 4 days

Arkanghelsk wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:Margarita Simonyan (Editor-in-Chief of RT) trolled the 5th & 6th columnists:

If you are now ashamed that you are Russian, do not worry, you are not Russian

she wrote in her Telegram channel.

I’m ashamed because a lot of Russians are pisdabols as you can see by our glorious military performance.  Not sure how they did so well in Syria. In Syria they performed better than the US military.

This war? Well we just took a time machine back to 2008 it seems.

The most embarrassing thing is that this was a planned invasion. That means a bunch of people sat down at a table and planned this crap out. Quite sad. Could have taken Kharkov Odessa and Mariupol already if there was a good plan and good training.

NATO could not secure Ramadi, Tikrit, Fallujah, Anbar after 4 years in Iraq 

Russia has done it in 4 days

Russia has not secured anything. They are dug in. Russia has taken heavy losses and tons of our conveys have been blown to bits. You admitted it yourself. They are dug into the cities.

I came to this forum to look for information. I tell you that in many Latin American countries they are censoring. There is a media war against Putin and Russia. One of the reasons is his opposition to "progressive" politics (gays, drugs, feminism)

There are no issues with femenism in Russia... that is just BS.

Russia has the chance to embrace true independence and chart its own course. It's costly when an empire dominates the world with the goal of looking to make sure you stumble upon any rock you see. There is no place uncontested. No mistake goes unpunished. The other option is simple, be a subordinated bitch. But NOT even that (since Russia will always be a threat to their power), only dissolution of the Russian state will suffice their thirst. The Anglo-saxon alligiance, with its power base in Washington, is simply, an existential threat to the Russian state, and by extension, its people.

The west will only be happy with Russia when it is like the Ukraine was for the last few years... broken down and everything of value asset stripped and shifted to the west for consumption...

These airlines will sustain serious financial losses and likely some will bankrupt... lets see how much time EU will keep this one.

Once this conflict ends I rather suspect a few countries will quietly drop their sanctions and hope that Russia does the same.

Depending on how those sanctions went however, they might think they can continue to endure those specific western sanctions and keep their sanctions going if they really do lead to harm in the west.

These "superior" German industries work with a tiny profit margin otherwise they can't compete with the Asians, and so they are VERY sensible to inflation, specially energy one. Just those few weeks the gas got to ~2000 EUR was enough to make the WHOLE German industry almost literally panic.

And the longer term effect of losing cheap Russian gas from the EU and having that same cheap gas go to China and Asia making their profit margins even better.... right now gas is not cheap in Asia but is cheap in the EU and Russia essentially is what makes that happen.

Were Russia to swap that around and sell their cheap gas below market prices in Asia all the expensive gas from the middle east and US and other places wont be able to compete in Asia but the price in Europe will climb to where they will be competitive in Europe... essentially a swap of markets... Wont hurt Russia, they will still be selling gas, and with Euros and US dollars already being used against them as weapons, perhaps Chinese currency or Rubles might be what they get paid in... creating a demand for their currency... or perhaps local currencies so they can buy products from those markets if they want without needing to convert currencies.

It really depends on how you use snipers. Modern sniping is when snipers provide cover for troops. It is not a civilian rich environment. Most people are hiding in shelter. Its only the idiots that will come out to fight.

How do your snipers move with your forces to provide overwatch while remaining unseen themselves?

Clearly, the head of the snake continuing to operate in Kiev, as well as the crazies strategically placed in all Ukrainian groupings are keeping the resistance alive. And when I say the head of the snake, I mean main operational command.

The Russians had EW practise in Syria tracking down operational command centres... pretty sure they know what they are doing...

When Ukrainian HQs get taken out the west will claim they were hospitals or churches or schools I guess...

Poles understand power and money. If Russia could subsidize their economy for 67 b yearly, their elites would have already brainwashed their populace into slav brotherhood angels.

Ironically they could probably afford that these days...

How is Russia ever going to govern these people if, by some miracle, Russia "wins" this idiotic war?

Russia has no intention of governing these people.

Russia is going to win... the west has already said it wont join the fun, the only question is the level of the win... ranging from winter war win to crimea 2014 win.

Obviously it wont be Crimea win because bullets have been fired, but Winter War win is very unlikely too. despite what they naysayers say.

How did US governed Japan after dirty-bombing their population centers?
Quite alright.

These people put up with anti Russian nazis for the promise of riches from the west that never came... how many years and promises will they put up with from their new masters?

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:Margarita Simonyan (Editor-in-Chief of RT) trolled the 5th & 6th columnists:

If you are now ashamed that you are Russian, do not worry, you are not Russian

she wrote in her Telegram channel.

I’m ashamed because a lot of Russians are pisdabols as you can see by our glorious military performance.  Not sure how they did so well in Syria. In Syria they performed better than the US military.

This war? Well we just took a time machine back to 2008 it seems.

The most embarrassing thing is that this was a planned invasion. That means a bunch of people sat down at a table and planned this crap out. Quite sad. Could have taken Kharkov Odessa and Mariupol already if there was a good plan and good training.

NATO could not secure Ramadi, Tikrit, Fallujah, Anbar after 4 years in Iraq 

Russia has done it in 4 days

Russia has not secured anything. They are dug in. Russia has taken heavy losses and tons of our conveys have been blown to bits. You admitted it yourself.  

400 to 500 KIA is heavy losses? That's the heaviest country of Europe

They went in doing policing tactics 

It's very good progress, and those cities have been surrounded and basically suppressed 

Mariupol, Kharkov, kherson, Sumy, Chernigov , Kiev , Izium, Novonikolayevka 

These are 8 cities 

Stop spreading bs

thegopnik wrote:not trying to be funny but.

But you are funny. Check the date.

franco wrote:From Michael Kofman on Twitter. Don't always agree with him but he is an insightful analyst. Certainly some food for thought from his points.  


- Russian units are not fighting as BTGs. They’re not doing combined arms warfare. They’re driving down roads in small detachments, pushing recon and VDV units forward. Tanks without infantry. It’s not going well for them because this isn’t how they organize and fight (more later).
- Folks are taking the right lessons about Ukraine’s military from this, but a number of the wrong ones about the Russian military. This operation looks terrible, and it should, because it’s assumptions were nuts, but this isn’t the Russian mil fighting as it would against NATO.
- It’s taken me a while to figure out what they’re trying to do, because it looks so ridiculous and incompetent. Ukraine’s military has done great. The Russian op is a bizarre scheme, based on terrible political assumptions, with poor relationship to their training & capabilities.
- A fight with NATO would obviously be much worse for Russia given the match up, but it wouldn’t look like this mess (probably a different kind of mess).
- Outside of the fighting NW of Kyiv we have a lot of smaller detachments, tanks, IFVs, often recon or VDV units pressing down roads & into cities. Often small formations outrunning logistics, without support, or letting support getting ambushed - its a mess.
- I know a bunch of people are going to read this and say ‘what?’ I will elaborate in a proper thread later.

This sounds right out of 1941. I hope this is debunked.

The generals who are more worried about "bratushki" civlians not dying than their own soldiers should be sent to gulags. These ukrops want russia to be destroyed. The vast majority are neoliberal bootlickers, including in the east, who enjoy economic subjugation from the west. The russian generals should operate punitively rather than thinking they're liberators.

This whole "to prevent civilian casualties" is no excuse for lack of combined arms warfare and guided munitions.

For the NATO clowns here you can compare the overwhelming difference between NATO and Russia

The timeline speaks for itself


Day 4 Russia is already taking major territory without bombardment

Arkanghelsk wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:Margarita Simonyan (Editor-in-Chief of RT) trolled the 5th & 6th columnists:

If you are now ashamed that you are Russian, do not worry, you are not Russian

she wrote in her Telegram channel.

I’m ashamed because a lot of Russians are pisdabols as you can see by our glorious military performance.  Not sure how they did so well in Syria. In Syria they performed better than the US military.

This war? Well we just took a time machine back to 2008 it seems.

The most embarrassing thing is that this was a planned invasion. That means a bunch of people sat down at a table and planned this crap out. Quite sad. Could have taken Kharkov Odessa and Mariupol already if there was a good plan and good training.

NATO could not secure Ramadi, Tikrit, Fallujah, Anbar after 4 years in Iraq 

Russia has done it in 4 days

Russia has not secured anything. They are dug in. Russia has taken heavy losses and tons of our conveys have been blown to bits. You admitted it yourself.  

400 to 500 KIA is heavy losses? That's the heaviest country of Europe

They went in doing policing tactics 

It's very good progress, and those cities have been surrounded and basically suppressed 

Mariupol, Kharkov, kherson, Sumy, Chernigov , Kiev , Izium, Novonikolayevka 

These are 8 cities 

Stop spreading bs

WHy is 500 lives an acceptable cost of not using PGMs, Not having constant airstrikes, dronestrikes and having shitty packed convoys?

Im starting to believe that the russian generals are trying to sabotage the operation by using poorly equipped units as cannon fodder, and not using the Russian air force and drones to their fullest capacity.

NATO capabilities are that of a paper tiger

There wouldn’t be 500 KIA if Russians were fighting correctly. Why should 500 die form incompetence? If they had drones in the air they would spot Ukrainian artillery and ambush. If their conveys were more spread they would take less damage from drone strike and ambush and artillery. This doesn’t explain anything of what is going on. Ground gains don’t mean much if the enemy is falling back to defend more important objectives and ambushing your supply lines.

No idea what’s going on.

bitcointrader70 wrote:There wouldn’t be 500 KIA if Russians were fighting correctly. Why should 500 die form incompetence? If they had drones in the air they would spot Ukrainian artillery and ambush.  If their conveys were more spread they would take less damage from drone strike and ambush and artillery. This doesn’t explain anything of what is going on. Ground gains don’t mean much if the enemy is falling back to defend more important objectives and ambushing your supply lines.

No idea what’s going on.

Obviously people higher than you or me have a PLAN for Ukraine

It involves the civilians, and if Russia wants to include Ukraine in EEU and not stay occupying for 20 years like Iraq or Afghanistan 

It wont kill civilians indiscriminately

Arkanghelsk wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:There wouldn’t be 500 KIA if Russians were fighting correctly. Why should 500 die form incompetence? If they had drones in the air they would spot Ukrainian artillery and ambush.  If their conveys were more spread they would take less damage from drone strike and ambush and artillery. This doesn’t explain anything of what is going on. Ground gains don’t mean much if the enemy is falling back to defend more important objectives and ambushing your supply lines.

No idea what’s going on.

Obviously people higher than you or me have a PLAN for Ukraine

It involves the civilians, and if Russia wants to include Ukraine in EEU and not stay occupying for 20 years like Iraq or Afghanistan 

It wont kill civilians indiscriminately

Whatever the plan is its foolish and it’s clearly not working. They are embettling the Ukrainian resistance and nationalism. They aren’t afraid of the Russian military anymore seeing the success they had against Russia at the very least at the tactical level. When a Ukrainians see that their militias/para military/basic infantry are able to kill VDV elite soldiers due to poor planning by the kremlin it only enables the nationalism further.

To be honest I think the plan was to take antonov airport and capture Kiev very quickly. After that fell apart MOD didn’t have a plan and just sent columns in haphazardly.