Russia and economic war by the west

The best out is for Russia to make this adventure in Ukraine short and quick - the longer it last real damage will linger and get more heavy. And ordinary citizens will feel it - there are projections that Russian economy could fall 10-15% if more sanctions are enforced, this means 15 years of economical development gone into wind.

Russia will want this conflict to be as short as possible, but it is not possible to do half a job.

Western sanctions are never going to go away... the west imposes sanctions to try to control Russian behaviour and that has never worked so why would sanctions ever be removed except in a western step down?

It would be utterly foolish of Russians to even consider India as neutral or even a serious ally, when its not. Hope the Russians open the Soviet blinds on their eyes and see the reality as to where India has set its bed, for the past 15+ years.

It think it is you that is mistaken, Russia does not need slaves and lackeys who will automatically be happy with everything Russia does no matter what like the US does. The US is trying to control India as it does with all its so called western allies.... the west is not independent and must do as the US tells them... Russia is not like that... China is not obliged to support Russia in everything and Russia is not obliged to support China in everything... that is not the relationship in a multipolar world, where each pole... no matter how big or how small gets their own say and should not be influenced by others through economic or military pressure.

India needs to do what is right for India, Russia is not going to tell them what they can or cannot do... but the US and EU and UK can and do... that is the choice they need to make. India might choose the lucrative US market, but the US will make them leave Russia and China... which is a much bigger market that is growing and developing and wont stop India from also growing and developing the way the US and the west must based on their model... it is plain for everyone to see.

If you are planning on robbing a bank is your friend the one that offers to drive the getaway car, or the one that tries to talk you out of it and threatens to go to the police if you do, and help you get a better job if you don't...

India has interests in the west and in Russia and therefore has to balance its decisions, but I think this and several other situations should make things clear that the west does not like to share customers and they are going to have to decide... 1.2 billion Indians is an attractive market for the west so they wont give up easily, but equally they seem to be prepared to give up the chinese market with their BS too... that is likely to cause a real split with the EU and US, but I think the UK will stick with the US...

It should also be any eyeopener to any "expert", particularly in India, who thinks Pakistan is a Chinese asset. Well, no. It always was a US/western protectorate and Pakistani mil/political establishment was always in their firm clutches.

That is very true, and something the desperately tried to hide when trying to recruit India for the western crusade against China, but then the US has also screwed Pakistan often enough for them to know better as well... we live in very interesting times... 100 years ago WWI had just finished and the commies had taken Russia and lines on maps were being inked in the Middle East to create lots of brand new countries and brand new royal families because Germany was taken down as a power and the spoils were split between Britain and France and the US etc etc...

US agriculture needs products from the Russian Federation. Therefore, the United States had to lift the embargo on the supply of Russian fertilizers.

The irony is that the US has an infinite supply of fertiliser... but it is the wrong type to be useful...

The document equated fertilizers with goods of strategic importance, such as medicines, medical products or agricultural products.

Wow, that is amazing... I guess before that document there is no way anyone could confuse fertiliser with agriculture...

The US plans to release one million barrels of oil per day for the next 6 months, How much of a difference will that have? I don't think it will be much and after the US releases 186 million barrels of oil, the prices will just up again, even more. The US will need to replace those 186 million barrels of oil.

They are probably hoping that in 6 months time this war will be concluded and they can just replenish their reserves by buying extra oil from Russia again.

I think it is the Democrat's worrying about the mid terms in November.

Yeah, not worried about WWIII, but mid term elections.... wow they are focussed....

If they do that well, then the ruble could possibly become a global trade currency near the end of the decade.

Well that goes without saying because Russia is a large resource rich country with products and materials and services and technologies to sell and they can hardly accept Euros and US dollars for all of that, but Russia is not interested in replacing the US at the head of the west, they want every other country to step up and be independent.

Autodestruct wrote:

kvs wrote: 

Russia should have forced payment in rubles for its oil and natural gas years ago.   The west can eat sh*t with its demands and
condescension.   The idea that precious energy is sold for dollars and euros is moronic.   The customers have to pay the currency
that the seller demands.

Nobody would have used it.  Western countries have historically been far, far ahead in market fundamentals.  It was easier to buy and sell property, negotiate contracts, invest in securities, move money across borders, etc.  And there was a much, much larger market to boot.  Russia couldn't hold a candle to that.

But now Russia has an opportunity.  The world has seen that the dollar and euro are first and foremost tools for financial warfare, and not global trade.  Their utility and safety are nowhere near what they were in years prior.  Russia has to play a clever game at continuing to open up its market to foreign investment and limit its reprisals to the ones who broke trust.  If they do that well, then the ruble could possibly become a global trade currency near the end of the decade.  And even if they do play a great game the ruble still faces strong headwinds.  This is because of the expansion of crypto.  The emergence of these new currencies means that all (at least nearly all) of the state backed fiat currencies will likely diminish.

"Nobody" can shop elsewhere. Beggars can't be choosers but Russia has been making them think they are rich (in energy).

lancelot wrote:
Even for the things which Russia can import not under sanctions, the three major European shipping companies are refusing to conduct trade with Russia. This means trade is effectively blocked to a large degree. It will take a long time to shift shipping contracts to other companies. And those products will be stuck in customs for months to come. Since European ports claim all cargoes to Russia need to be inspected for possibly infringing goods.

This is the reason why there are flour and oil shortages in the EU. The EU-tards in Bruxelles snookered themselves with their sanctions spew.
Russia does not even need to impose sanctions when the retards in the EU imposed them on themselves.

It is glorious to see the haters in the EU eat their own shit. Their rabid projection of inferiority onto Russians in their racist wont needs payback
and they are now getting at least some of it.

mnztr wrote:We can see the delays that were caused by loss of naval powerplant from the 2014 sanctions, what will this round do? The ones that come to mind:

MC-21 many western subsystems need to be replaced, avionics, APUs, actuators, etc etc.
LNG - Russian LNG plants (I am told) use Western tech, can how long will it take Russia and China to replace these?
Icebreakers - I read that the Nuclear ice breakers have significant western components. I know the electric drives are joint venture with GE, can Russia make them without GE components?

These are just a few massive areas where I fear the impact will be felt.

The MC-21 will be certified with all Russian components in 2024. So where is the pain?