Russian special military operation in Ukraine #4

We won't really know the details til a while after its all done.

Sun Tzu
"When you are weak.. look strong to the enemy.
When you are strong... look weak".

That may explain a lot.

Sure as hell no-one is going to read them their rights, or lack of them, as they cross the border or even before they leave their families.

Idiots to the slaughter, or Russian jail, or as commented here earlier, to a fate far worse, injury with minimal access to healthcare. Then in the event of death, a probable unmarked (but should perhaps be labelled 'Gun Fodder') grave. With relatives back home wondering where their loved one is. At least 'proper' mercenaries like the probable US funded teams, have some form of support including pay for risking their lives.


The Lookout
@The_Lookout_N
· 1h
I am no lawyer, but here the Russian General Staff is heading down a slippery slope:

"At best, they can expect to be prosecuted as criminals"

This reeks of the "Kommandobefehl" of 1942...

https://tass.com/politics/14161


GEROMAN -- -@GeromanAT·1h

dudes are like:
oh - bad Russians kill our quickly created foreign legion - how dare!


if they enter as mercenaries - they ARE criminals - what is so hard to understand here?

miketheterrible wrote:

Orlan wrote:

Isos wrote:He is right. Officers are handlling this war very badly. They thought it would end quickly and don't want to be held accoubtable so they don't take iniciatives or decisions.

Airforce compensate the number advantage of the ukrainians and  their ambush tactics. Yet russians aren't using it. Air defences should have been 24/7 attacked by drones.

And I just saw first video of Orion being used in Ukraine. SIgn they are getting little desperate.

Why isn't this idiot troll not banned yet?

How is it desperate? Holy shit this is beyond retarded.

Who is the troll? Iso because he dares speak honestly and the truth offends you

miketheterrible wrote:

How is it desperate? Holy shit this is beyond retarded.

Can you stop insulting everyone? it's really sad to see grown man doing nothing but insulting and swearing.

Why isn't this idiot troll not banned yet?

I'm not a fan of banning people but this Orlan guy and the bitcon idiot must go - they just waste forum space with their stupid trolling.

I much rather see the back of these trolling idiots that some of the long standing members that was kicked off the forum.

The question now is, I suppose, will the DNR forces stop at their Oblast border and go back and help out nearer Donetsk, or just keep going?

ZOKA
@200_zoka
Units of the DNR armed forces carried out successful offensive operations, advanced 8 kilometers and took control of the settlements of Nazarovka, Kuibyshevo, Kalinino, Novogrigorovka.

Regular wrote:

Stealthflanker wrote:

Regular wrote:https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1499677643930750981/photo/1

Russian Su-25 shot down, Donetsk area. I wonder what system could have been used, I doubt it's MANPADs, are they are trying to pull Serbs?

They're still have some flyable aircrafts and some mobile Buk's.

Would BUk damage it like that? It would definitely shred it with square holes. So they keep their AA off until the last moment?

Also, I doubt that Ukraine has fighter jets active, they did use Su-24 a day ago. Almost impossible to target it when it's flying low and has a cover. But where does it they take off from? I know they can easily take off from potato fields or motorways, but do they need infrastructure to service and rearm them? It's not a drone.

A BUK hit can look anything from a fully disintegrated plane spread over a 1 km2 to a single unlucky fragment hole in the cockpit that killed the pilot. So there is no way to tell, especially not when most of the visual damage is from being melted by fire post crash. But if we are talking what is most likely, it is a manpad, and that it was not a direct kill, but that the pilot was in control of the plane at for some time after the hit. The indications are, the plane did not completely violently disintegrate on impact with the ground, so most likely going quite slow, and it was right side up indicating some control. But it is impossible to really say.

Yes, unless a BUK wants to die from SEAD/DEAD it keeps its radar of until last second before acquiring the target, air surveillance is done by other means, visual spotters network, Nato AWACS, radio intercept etc who knows..
Turning on a radar with wrong IFF krypto inside Ukraine will result in SEAD strikes most likely in minutes. So shoot and scoot tactics are most likely used now, as well as regular relocations in case they are seen by satellites or drones to avoid kaliber or other stand-off weapons.

Firebird wrote:We won't really know the details til a while after its all done.

Sun Tzu
"When you are weak.. look strong to the enemy.
When you are strong... look weak".

That may explain a lot.

I really hope so.

Take this with a pinch of salt but knowing how some parts of Ukrainian society works it is perhaps believable now that these men are needed as gun fodder.

Spriter
@spriter99880
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11h
In Ukraine, mobilization is a holiday at the customs between Ukraine and European countries!

The price tag for leaving for men across the border - on foot 10 thousand $, by car 20 thousand $

Поражение командного пункта националистического батальона "Айдар"

@voenkorKotenok

https://t.me/voenkorKotenok/31938

Orion in the air, hitting Aidar command post

Wonder if they have been operational all this time or just now


These drones give intel onnenemy whereabouts,  these should be used more often

JohninMK wrote:Take this with a pinch of salt but knowing how some parts of Ukrainian society works it is perhaps believable now that these men are needed as gun fodder.

Spriter
@spriter99880
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11h
In Ukraine, mobilization is a holiday at the customs between Ukraine and European countries!

The price tag for leaving for men across the border - on foot 10 thousand $, by car 20 thousand $

I doubt it is true. Those numbers are way to high for ukrainian people... it's like their 3 years salary.

Guys in video I posted orion is using an missile in a canister that flies very different from ATGM

That's not a vikhr or ataka. What missile is that flying to the building?

It dives and the explosion is quite impressive


Hermes?

Arkanghelsk wrote:Guys in video I posted orion is using an missile in a canister that flies very different from ATGM

That's not a vikhr or ataka. What missile is that flying to the building?

It dives and the explosion is quite impressive


Hermes?

Kornet

JohninMK wrote:Take this with a pinch of salt but knowing how some parts of Ukrainian society works it is perhaps believable now that these men are needed as gun fodder.

Spriter
@spriter99880
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11h
In Ukraine, mobilization is a holiday at the customs between Ukraine and European countries!

The price tag for leaving for men across the border - on foot 10 thousand $, by car 20 thousand $

Too much money tbh, 1000-2000 USD maybe but all above that is too much.

Kornet dives like that? It looks steep, the explosion would make sense

I thought UPAB-50s , those missiles glide but being only 50kg its smaller explosion

Am not sure , it might be kornet

If Kornet max range is 5500m , then drone could be 3 miles from target 

Would like to see Orion hitting from farther away with other weapons like Kh38

https://t.me/voenkorKotenok/31944

This guys says many drones are in Ukraine, but vids not being released

He says they are striking Ukrainian nationalists constantly

Arkanghelsk wrote:https://t.me/voenkorKotenok/31944

This guys says many drones are in Ukraine, but vids not being released

He says they are striking Ukrainian nationalists constantly

I hope they are hiting them 24/7. These idiots deserve no peace only bullets and bombs

Orlan wrote:https://twitter.com/free_esports/status/1499433497076846592?t=Vzik1YN2YTFRPdKiWhaP8w&s=19

Hmm...why park them like it's car exhibition seriously. These seem abandoned also.

Ukr Navy existed only on paper to be fair.

Interesting and convenient how the Letter 'Z' is present when it needs to be...but a near identical looking fleet of parked destroyed Tugunska's has also appeared, but with the main difference being that the letter 'Z' is nowhere to be found.




https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1499689119651606533

1.) Interesting and convenient how the video with the letter 'Z' Tunguska's are in a low resolution, but the photo's without the 'Z' label are in high resolution.

2.) Interesting how only '1' Tunguska in the video has visible 'Z' markings.    

3.) Interesting how there's not a single Pantsir among them, and only Tunguska's are  present among them....like they were holdovers from  the Cold War period.

4.) Interesting how the low resolution video doesn't show a greater are of destruction, unlike the high resolution photos.  

5.) Interesting how they were parked, almost like they were stationed at a preexisting base that predates the current intervention, and not like they were on a mobile land convoy.

I saw the one vid of orion hitting aidar

Opsec has been good, at the same time it would bolster morale to see more of these vids

But morale should be good either way

From what I see, Ukropians have left a big path toward belay Tserkov in front of the grouping west of Kiev

Interesting and convenient how the Letter 'Z' is present when it needs to be...but a near identical looking fleet of parked destroyed Tugunska's has also appeared, but with the main difference being that the letter 'Z' is nowhere to be found.

The pictures are most likely from a military graveyard in the Ukraine. Look at the old BTR-60's in the background (pic3) in tall grass etc.

Mir wrote:

Interesting and convenient how the Letter 'Z' is present when it needs to be...but a near identical looking fleet of parked destroyed Tugunska's has also appeared, but with the main difference being that the letter 'Z' is nowhere to be found.

The pictures are most likely from a military graveyard in the Ukraine. Look at the old BTR-60's in the background (pic3) in tall grass etc.

From the link that I posted from Cyberspec's Twitter account:

#UkraineRussia
UAF base at #Balakleya (#Kharkov region) wrecked by a Russian strike

https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1499689119651606533

Among the photo's there's visible damage from a munition strike that hit the ground.



BTW it doesn't change the fact that the very brief video (in low resolution) conveniently doesn't show the other 'Z' marked Tunguska's.

It's also interesting that the cameraman and his crew seemed to be in a rush and had a vehicle running, almost like they was trying to avoid getting caught. Yeah on the modern battlefield you'd want to stay mobile, but if they just 'destroyed' a significant Moscal contingency they would of least had some time to collect a lot of high resolution videos and photos for propaganda purposes...not some low resolution skant, very brief footage filmed with a potato.

Another dead giveaway is that the Tunguska's were parked side-by-side like they were stationed at a preexisting base, with no more modern Pantsirs's among them. They were'nt road mobile armored columns like the other Russian convoys either, which would have different types of vehicles in between them anyway.

For those who know nothing of history, in battle of the Dnieper 1943

There were two directives issues by the Stavka, option 1 would be to give themselves time to regroup their forces, find a weak point or two to exploit (not necessarily in the lower part of the Dnieper), stage a breakthrough and encircle the German defenders far in the rear, rendering the defence line unsupplied and next to useless (very much like the German Panzers bypassed the Maginot line in 1940). This option was supported by Marshal Zhukov and Deputy Chief of Staff Aleksei Antonov, who considered the substantial losses after the Battle of Kursk.

The second option would be to stage a massive assault without waiting, and force the Dnieper on a broad front. This option left no additional time for the German defenders, but would lead to much larger casualties than would a successful deep operation breakthrough. This second option was backed by Stalin due to the concern that the German "scorched earth" policy might devastate this region if the Red Army did not advance fast enough.

Stavka (the Soviet high command) chose the second option. Instead of deep penetration and encirclement, the Soviet intended to make full use of partisan activities to intervene and disrupt Germany's supply route so that the Germans could not effectively send reinforcements or take away Soviet industrial facilities in the region. Stavka also paid high attention to the possible scorched earth activities of German forces with a view to preventing them by a rapid advance.

We can see Putin and the High Stavka command with Gerasimov and Shoigu paid attention to Zhukov recommendations to proceed slow in deep battle operations

Remember also Nikolai Vatutin was killed by Banderites in April 1944

All in all, guys repeat the feat of grandfather's in 1943-1944

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Orlan wrote:https://twitter.com/free_esports/status/1499433497076846592?t=Vzik1YN2YTFRPdKiWhaP8w&s=19

Hmm...why park them like it's car exhibition seriously. These seem abandoned also.

Ukr Navy existed only on paper to be fair.

Interesting and convenient how the Letter 'Z' is present when it needs to be...but a near identical looking fleet of parked destroyed Tugunska's has also appeared, but with the main difference being that the letter 'Z' is nowhere to be found.




https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1499689119651606533

1.) Interesting and convenient how the video with the letter 'Z' Tunguska's are in a low resolution, but the photo's without the 'Z' label are in high resolution.

2.) Interesting how only '1' Tunguska in the video has visible 'Z' markings.    

3.) Interesting how there's not a single Pantsir among them, and only Tunguska's are  present among them....like they were holdovers from  the Cold War period.

4.) Interesting how the low resolution video doesn't show a greater are of destruction, unlike the high resolution photos.  

5.) Interesting how they were parked, almost like they were stationed at a preexisting base that predates the current intervention, and not like they were on a mobile land convoy.

Where is that supposed to be? It looks like the abandoned tank factory in Kharkov.