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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:12 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:What kind of drugs are these people on?


    The usual one applied considering the situation. Desperte.
    I was watching some combat footage made outside Kiev some week ago.
    It was supposed to pretend how stealthy&deadly they are.
    What they presented in reality, was a bunch of desperate men, armed with some remains&mix of everything, clearly representing the miserable shape of logistics.
    The only they could do was hide in the woods, hoping some Moskali will by accident appear close enough to shoot at him. Using the past RPG18, or Pzf3, or AT4, or anything that they have left ... Their eyes were filled with fear already.
    What is really sad, is watching that with historical perspective&experience of my country ...
    The last organized unit of the Polish Army was active till JUNE 1940, when they finally laid down the weapon, two months after the death of the unit commander, colonel Dobrzanski.
    Still, already at the end of 1939, they represented a zero combat value, being just a hunted herd of men ... Watching those Ukrainian soldiers, I saw a Hubal unit late Autumn 1939, as they were presented ...
    Poland created the biggest regular underground army known to men, reaching a peak of 390 thousand people. Organized and subordinated to the formal government in exile.
    Home Army was assisted by thousands of insurgents, other organized armed resistance units of the communist party, peasants etc, so we can consider that in a peak, there could be close to half a million people involved.
    All they were able to do, with all the bravery, confession, and spirit, was kill some 16500 german soldiers for a whole 5.5 years of occupation... The casualty ratio was about 1:10, excluding the civilian population that paid the price either.
    No sane man can feel the pleasure of others' misery.

    These guys are convinced that Putin is the new Fuhrer, and that the West will defeat him

    But the reality is, is that such geopolitical tectonic shifts have started in the world now, and you can tell by the hysteria and desperate attempts at regime change of all these Western partners - that these tectonic shifts are gaining momentum. The Ukraine will be the least of anybody's problems soon. And the West is looking to fragment as a united bloc. There won't be an insurgent army here as the Russians aren't the Nazis, they'll simply carry out de-zombification, confiscate weapons, and apprehend known criminals, as support in the Ukraine picks up for their mission. The regime in the Ukraine will be no more.

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    Post  VARGR198 Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:29 am

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    Post  GarryB Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:43 am


    I communicate quite often with Israelis in the crypto and investment fields. I will say most of them are just normal people. Some disagree with Putin, some agree but on average they all have a care for Russia. It's the Russians living in France, UK, US and alike are more of a problem.

    When some people leave their home country the burn their bridges... sometimes because of the reason they are leaving, sometimes so they can't go back so they have to make it work and wont just run back home at the first hurdle...

    Guys I have seen the results of Kalibr strike in Nikolayevsk

    It's not pretty... VSU guys are in pieces

    They don't surrender, it's incredible , I guess they want more ffs

    Don't want the hardcore nutters to surrender, just the conscripts who never wanted to be there in the first place.

    It's shame they didn't see this from beginning

    How can they ever expected to win against Russia?

    Guess few more days of this and it will sink in

    They believe the US will save them, they believe the Russians eat babies and don't take prisoners anyway... when NZers were signing up to go to war in WWII they were told the Japanese fighters were made of rice paper and couldn't fly when it rained, and those going to the western front it was all the British Empire was finally getting the chance to show the Hun who the real boss was... it was a big overseas adventure... till they got there and found out the truth, but by then you were thousands of kms from home with no way out.

    The Ukrainians who changed their minds are likely chained to things so they can't leave...

    These words hit hard. It is indeed a unique war that has not been seen before.

    Considering all the morality wars the west has engaged in... including right back to the Christian Crusades... he is right... and you are right about how sad it is.

    But most westerners will make a list, but that list wont bear scrutiny... countries are made poor and destroyed from the air to effect regime change... no lives are spared or even considered.

    That has already been tried before, for example by the Third Reich with its Luftwaffe Field Divisions.

    Also, there is the RAF Regiment, which I believe still exists.


    So it is not really an original idea.

    What it is is an idea of desperation...

    Honestly, I think the numbers they are giving for Russian dead are probably closer to Ukraine's numbers. Also, keep in mind that this is the west and I will never forget how they destroyed every tank in the Serbian army in 1999 and it turned out they destroyed what 3 tanks and a radar truck.

    According to the CIA the Soviets lost 50K in Afghanistan in the 1980s... they later revised it down to the 16-17 thousand the Soviets admitted to losing.

    Gotta give the Ukie's credit tho, they are exploiting the weaknesses of the Russians well and exploiting their tactics.

    They are not winning anything except the propaganda war which they had in the bag in the west... except here of course.

    The orcs get credit for finally getting the bear to attack them... great work, but they don't seem happy or proud... they have been telling everyone who will listen that the rebels in Donbass and Lugansk are all Russians and fully Russian back so nothing should have actually changed, yet now they are squealing for help from HATO and the EU and US... and not getting it.

    All they had to do was talk to those regions, not allow US bio weapons labs on their territory, and not mention nuclear weapons capability... and they couldn't do any of those things... they had a chance to solve the issues of the time with discussions and they chose to instead wind up the bear, so no credit, no credit at all to the orcs... they did the worst possible thing they could possibly do and now lots of people are dying because of it.

    An emotional fueled post, don't make these towards me. They are childish.

    Everything he said was true and relevant... you expect us to give credit to those cowards who clearly just want to kill as many Russians as they can and don't care about their own people who get in the way... in fact moving their own civilians into the path of the war so they can keep fighting a little longer.

    They are truly acting like Nazis and surprise surprise you defend them...

    They took advantage of poor Russian recon, they setup proper ambushes and made the Russians pay. There are many other examples of where they exploited the russians.

    Yeah... giving any credit to the Taliban in Afghanistan with their IEDs and VIEDs who did the same... also against a more powerful enemy?

    Yes, they used Putins dumbass little "play nice" orders against the Russians, War isn't fair nor is it nice and last I checked exploring your enemy orders to use against them is just what I said.

    That is why you are pissy.... the Russians have morals and ethics and as a western soldier it burns, it hurts you to think their commander in chief will only send them into harms way when he absolutely has to and still respects life, when you leaders will send you to war if the price of oil goes up too high...

    "minimize casualties among non-combatants AND the Ukrainian military"

    Well actually minimising casualties amongst non compatants is actually already a thing that you should already be aware of, but the way the US butchered the Iraqi army withdrawing from Kuwait I understand why you don't understand the second... but let me spell it out... if you had gotten rid of Saddam but kept his political party and his army they wouldn't be so friendly with Iran as they are now and Saddams officers and soldiers that were left without jobs wouldn't have started ISIS leading to your problems in Iraq and Afghanistan and even Syria because you really only wanted the Kurds there didn't you.

    Tell your men not to kill someone trying to kill them is an exploitable weakness.

    Telling your men not to kill people who are civilian and unarmed or armed but disarming and surrendering is avoiding committing warcrimes... anyone with a weapon that clearly is prepared to use it or will not drop it will be shot... they are not a Euro army with flowers and hugs.

    Tactics and Strategy do not care about feelings.

    No they don't, but the plan is actually to leave at some stage... I know.... alien concept to an American... and if they went in there massacring everything in some scortched earth raid then any states that form will naturally be hostile.

    They are going in there to remove the nazis... not to be nazis... they are not the US Army.


    Of course they will find things to exploit. It's a battle of wits and adaptability

    And that communication can be exploited too... and the support to Russias enemy can be repaid in kind... eventually... Iran could probably do with more Igla-S level missiles... I suspect the Palestinians could probably use some stingers... the donbass forces can use the anti armour rockets, but likely wont have much use for thousands of stingers...

    Why did the Ukrainian and Slovakian S 300 perform so poorly if they are supposed to be a good air defense system? Is it because they are export models or old?

    The Russians know exactly how they work, and those Slovakian missiles never went to the Ukraine, they stayed in Slovakia and pose a real threat to HATO aircraft when they exercise with them...

    Individual systems of anything can be overwhelmed and defeated... good recon and good intel and the right weapons and equipment.

    They are playing ...

    Underground hardened targets, the Kinzhal would be ideal... it is just a faster Iskander really... the increased speed would make penetration better...

    At this point, I really wonder why Ukrainian forces don't mutiny.

    They likely get updates and reports from western sources rather than valid sources so they likely think they are doing well.

    Once it starts, a chain-reaction will follow

    Hope so... it is the best solution...

    I don't know about Russia's doctrine on nuclear weapons , but if what you say about the West's plan , then it makes more sense to my mind . Gradual escalation has a deterrence value , and sudden escalation to " MAD " , has no deterrence value .

    The difference is strategy.... the west thinks it can win a nuclear war, by destroying or disabling Russias nuclear weapon capacity... shoot down their bombers, sink their subs, use AEGIS ships in the Arctic ocean and pacific and atlantic oceans and F-35s and F-22s in their own airspace to shoot down ICBMs and SLBMs and air launched cruise missiles respectively, and they also have their ABM missiles in Alaska and mainland US as well as some in Europe and was going to be some in Japan too, so if they can destroy as many as possible Russian nukes and intercept the rest then they might survive a nuclear war largely unscathed.

    Russia does not think the same way... their ABM system and new ABM systems are to delay the effects of nuclear strikes on their nuclear attack capability and their command structure so the launch command will always get through and nuclear weapons will also always get through to destroy the west... most will destroy cities, but any nuclear weapons reserves will also be hit to prevent later follow up attacks with extra weapons.

    There is no escalation... a western attack on Russia is a red line... it might be responded directly to with nukes to deter any follow up attacks... if HATO backs down then perhaps that is deterrence right there but if they escalate with more powerful nukes then the nuclear war starts and everything will be launched before the west can destroy it.

    I think there can be many levels of escalation , before MAD , that both sides can walk away from .

    The west is standing by its bio weapons labs and soon to nuclear armed nazis in the Ukraine... when is it that they will walk away from that?

    Otherwise nukes are useless ornaments without any deterrence value . Used too late , and as real weapons of mass destruction , in the face of existential threat !

    They can be used of course.

    If HATO massed 2 million troops on the border of Belarus and Russian Kaliningrad, and started to attack Kaliningrad, those attacking forces will be nuked because the possibility of getting enough troops to Kaliningrad to stop 2 million would be zero.

    The troops in Kaliningrad likely have some tactical nukes just in case it is needed... some Iskander missiles would be ideal for the job of taking out hostile enemy troops on the border.


    They're encircled and are being decimated in the field, and they're taking huge losses in the rear too, but they have "strategic initiative and operational momentum"...

    Trapped and taking a pounding from the rear... there are many in the west who dream about that I am sure... and would not be upset at all.

    No sane man can feel the pleasure of others' misery.

    Yeah, call it what you like but the west supplying weapons is just taking longer to commit suicide for Ukraine.

    For the Russians shooting civilian fools with rockets they probably think will instantly vapourise any vehicle it hits, is probably just a chore they take no pleasure in...

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    Post  GarryB Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:51 am

    While the idea Ukraine can counter offensive is silly, it's true the russians cannot afford to let this go on for to long.

    This war is necessary, and just, Russia can't control how long it takes, but needs to finish it properly so they don't have to do it again in 5 years time.

    That means not butchering everyone like they hate them all the way the US does, because these are Russias neighbours... this is the US invading Canada.

    There won't be an insurgent army here as the Russians aren't the Nazis, they'll simply carry out de-zombification, confiscate weapons, and apprehend known criminals, as support in the Ukraine picks up for their mission. The regime in the Ukraine will be no more.

    As Ukrainians from various areas that are not rabbily anti Russian are freed and treated with respect they can join in the fight for their own country to get it back from the western nazi lovers.

    I think I would be pissed off at superpowers who did that to my country just to try to hurt Russia because they are a potential rival and wont do as they are told.

    BTW someone with video editing talent should change the background on Zelenskys speech and make it on the moon or something.... Twisted Evil

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:53 am

    Economic sanctions against Russia doesn't seem to be working. Here is an example:

    India doubles down on move to procure crude oil from Russia.


    "Oil-sufficient countries need not advise us on Russian imports" - India

    https://indianexpress.com/article/india/discounted-crude-oil-from-russia-oil-sufficient-countries-need-not-advise-on-russian-imports-says-india-7826389/

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:59 am

    Sujoy wrote:Economic sanctions against Russia doesn't seem to be working.

    We're gonna see more of this ahead, though:
    https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/12/rising-fuel-and-food-costs-spark-protests-in-albania-government-imposes-price-controls

    The big hit is yet to come, I'm afraid.

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    Post  Pacense Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:05 am

    Sujoy wrote:Economic sanctions against Russia doesn't seem to be working. Here is an example:

    India doubles down on move to procure crude oil from Russia.


    "Oil-sufficient countries need not advise us on Russian imports" - India

    https://indianexpress.com/article/india/discounted-crude-oil-from-russia-oil-sufficient-countries-need-not-advise-on-russian-imports-says-india-7826389/

    Sanctions are not suposse to work overnight. It will take its time to see its full effect. But large unemployment and decrease of product its at least expected.
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    Post  franco Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:10 am

    andalusia wrote:Why did the Ukrainian and Slovakian S 300 perform so poorly if they are supposed to be a good air defense system? Is it because they are export models or old?


    Original models, 30+ year old technology.

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    Post  Isos Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:15 am

    franco wrote:
    andalusia wrote:Why did the Ukrainian and Slovakian S 300 perform so poorly if they are supposed to be a good air defense system? Is it because they are export models or old?


    Original models, 30+ year old technology.

    No IADS and no modern shorads to protect them.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:20 am

    Pacense wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:Economic sanctions against Russia doesn't seem to be working. Here is an example:

    India doubles down on move to procure crude oil from Russia.


    "Oil-sufficient countries need not advise us on Russian imports" - India

    https://indianexpress.com/article/india/discounted-crude-oil-from-russia-oil-sufficient-countries-need-not-advise-on-russian-imports-says-india-7826389/

    Sanctions are not suposse to work overnight. It will take its time to see its full effect. But large unemployment and decrease of product its at least expected.

    They literary were expected to work overnight, the whole point was shock & awe to elicit a bank run and mass protests, regime change

    But it didn't work and now instead the sanctions had to be quietly scaled back as it was harming Western economies. Trouble is though that both this move, and the war itself - has accelerated some serious glacial shifts in the world. An alternate banking & trading system, and other countries taking advantage of the West's weakened position to either elicit concessions from it, or settle their own scores.

    Of course the sanctions will harm Russia and pretty heavily. Nevertheless all Russia really needs to do is hang on and prosecute the operation to its completion, while deterring any NATO interference.
    That will trigger a NATO crisis in Europe, in addition to the economic crisis, and embolden other countries in the world such as Iran, China, Serbia and so on.

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    Post  franco Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:30 am

    Ukraine reportedly has 27 combat maneuver brigades:

    - 7 are engaged West of the Dnieper guarding Odessa and countering the Russian forces who crossed at Kherson
    - 7 are engaged in the North protecting Kiev area
    - 13 are engaged in the East from Mariupol to Kharkov in the ATO zone... these are the focus

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    Post  mavaff Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:44 am

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:They say they used Kinzhals against a hardened warehouse in the Ivano-Frankivsk region and Bastion-P against targets near Odessa yesterday:
    https://m.tvzvezda.ru/news/2022319105-cKCKq.html

    Video of the Kinzhal strike...I could not see the missile coming.
    PS: please don't tell me it's another videogame lol

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:59 am

    Doesn't match the look of the Delyatyn depot though. Besides, Ivano-Frankivsk is a far western region, I find it difficult to believe they'd have a drone loitering there.


    Footage shows something else, IMO.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:04 am

    franco wrote:Ukraine reportedly has 27 combat maneuver brigades:

    - 7 are engaged West of the Dnieper guarding Odessa and countering the Russian forces who crossed at Kherson  
    - 7 are engaged in the North protecting Kiev area
    - 13 are engaged in the East from Mariupol to Kharkov in the ATO zone... these are the focus

    Whilst those in the east are, as you say, the focus, the Russian actions at Odessa and Kiev seem to be primarily targeted at ensuring that only a minimum of those other brigades in the west can be spared to reinforce those in the east.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:10 am

    I watched this in utter disbelief. How could people be so stupid? Do they really think it would make a difference or that the SUVs would actually end up anywhere they might?

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    Post  Isos Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:12 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    franco wrote:Ukraine reportedly has 27 combat maneuver brigades:

    - 7 are engaged West of the Dnieper guarding Odessa and countering the Russian forces who crossed at Kherson  
    - 7 are engaged in the North protecting Kiev area
    - 13 are engaged in the East from Mariupol to Kharkov in the ATO zone... these are the focus

    Whilst those in the east are, as you say, the focus, the Russian actions at Odessa and Kiev seem to be primarily targeted at ensuring that only a minimum of those other brigades in the west can be spared to reinforce those in the east.

    How many soldiers is that ?

    By now they have no more army. They must be fighting on foot around cities. All their vehicles are destroyed and they won't risk riding in.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:21 am

    Isos wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    franco wrote:Ukraine reportedly has 27 combat maneuver brigades:

    - 7 are engaged West of the Dnieper guarding Odessa and countering the Russian forces who crossed at Kherson  
    - 7 are engaged in the North protecting Kiev area
    - 13 are engaged in the East from Mariupol to Kharkov in the ATO zone... these are the focus

    Whilst those in the east are, as you say, the focus, the Russian actions at Odessa and Kiev seem to be primarily targeted at ensuring that only a minimum of those other brigades in the west can be spared to reinforce those in the east.

    How many soldiers is that ?

    By now they have no more army. They must be fighting on foot around cities. All their vehicles are destroyed and they won't risk riding in.

    If they had no army outside of major cities, the russians would have made far more progress by now, fact is Ukraine still has its army and its giving the russians more trouble then they thought capable.

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    Post  Erk Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:29 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:...
    If they had no army outside of major cities, the russians would have made far more progress by now, fact is Ukraine still has its army and its giving the russians more trouble then they thought capable.

    Do you realize that armies outside major cities are far easier to deal with, than armies inside major cities?

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    Post  Isos Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:36 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    If they had no army outside of major cities, the russians would have made far more progress by now, fact is Ukraine still has its army and its giving the russians more trouble then they thought capable.

    They have soldiers fighting urban warfare with some ambushes in the fields. But most their soldier are inside the cities and they have lost all their infrastructures. So that's not an army anymore. It's a well equiped ISIS like "army".

    What makes them go slow is the cities because they have to spend lot of time fighting hiden ukrainians among civils.

    Once Mariupol, Kiev and Karkhov fall I doubt ukrainians will have enough men to protect rest of the country. Then it's gonna go much faster.

    In the open areas and small towns russia will have huge air advantage and will destroy ukrainian positions much easier than in big cities.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:40 am

    A philosophical moment for our age Very Happy

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    The bright strikes a deal to end a war.
    The wise strikes a deal to avoid a war.
    The woke listens to USA and fight a war he can't win.

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    Post  Hole Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:43 am

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    Mariupol

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    Result of the Kaliber strike. Another pic shows some feet under the rubble. Withoput shoes. Or a body connected to them.

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    Kinzhal. The little black dot.

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    Post  Pacense Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:43 am

    flamming_python wrote:
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    Sujoy wrote:Economic sanctions against Russia doesn't seem to be working. Here is an example:

    India doubles down on move to procure crude oil from Russia.


    "Oil-sufficient countries need not advise us on Russian imports" - India

    https://indianexpress.com/article/india/discounted-crude-oil-from-russia-oil-sufficient-countries-need-not-advise-on-russian-imports-says-india-7826389/

    Sanctions are not suposse to work overnight. It will take its time to see its full effect. But large unemployment and decrease of product its at least expected.

    They literary were expected to work overnight, the whole point was shock & awe to elicit a bank run and mass protests, regime change

    But it didn't work and now instead the sanctions had to be quietly scaled back as it was harming Western economies. Trouble is though that both this move, and the war itself - has accelerated some serious glacial shifts in the world. An alternate banking & trading system, and other countries taking advantage of the West's weakened position to either elicit concessions from it, or settle their own scores.

    Of course the sanctions will harm Russia and pretty heavily. Nevertheless all Russia really needs to do is hang on and prosecute the operation to its completion, while deterring any NATO interference.
    That will trigger a NATO crisis in Europe, in addition to the economic crisis, and embolden other countries in the world such as Iran, China, Serbia and so on.

    Not true. Noone expected them to work overnight. And noone wants a regime change in Russia. If someone wants Russia not to succeede, than Putin must stay in Power Wink

    Can you provide any source regarding the scaled back of sanctions? Because all recent news oints out to an increse on them. Good try anyway.


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    Post  JohninMK Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:43 am

    What is it now? Four of five Generals. So many 2* that it wasn't making an impact so now they have to go all the way to a 4*.

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    Post  franco Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:44 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    franco wrote:Ukraine reportedly has 27 combat maneuver brigades:

    - 7 are engaged West of the Dnieper guarding Odessa and countering the Russian forces who crossed at Kherson  
    - 7 are engaged in the North protecting Kiev area
    - 13 are engaged in the East from Mariupol to Kharkov in the ATO zone... these are the focus

    Whilst those in the east are, as you say, the focus, the Russian actions at Odessa and Kiev seem to be primarily targeted at ensuring that only a minimum of those other brigades in the west can be spared to reinforce those in the east.

    That has been my assessment, in the west as far as I am aware only the 3 regiments of the 7th Airborne and 2 regiments of the 20th Motor Rifle divisions from the Russian army are engaged. And as I mentioned earlier it appears that 40-60 kilometer long column everyone got focused on NW of Kiev, was waiting for the Ukrainians to move the last 2 brigades in reserve from the West into Kiev before moving south to block the western routes into Kiev. And the 1st Guards Tank Army seems to be deployed between Kiev and Kharkov to block movement between those cities and I suspect to be the hammer if the Eastern Ukrainian forces attempt to retreat across the open steppes to the Dnieper.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:45 am

    Erk wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:...
    If they had no army outside of major cities, the russians would have made far more progress by now, fact is Ukraine still has its army and its giving the russians more trouble then they thought capable.

    Do you realize that armies outside major cities are far easier to deal with, than armies inside major cities?

    That has nothing to do with what I said......reread

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