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    Post  Hole Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:57 pm

    Isos wrote:Or just encircle them and cut water and food supplies as well as facebook and instagram. They will surrender quickly.

    No water and food is OK, but no Facebook...? War crime! Laughing

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    Post  littlerabbit Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:08 pm

    Isos wrote:After all the video of urban war in syria where lonely taks get anhilated they still find some people crazy enough to drive them there.

    Urban war must be done on foot. With support from the drones. Tanks aren't needed. Maybe send those bmp-t behind the troop. But first reenforce the protection with add ons.


    Maybe they were carried away by battle...people can forget themselves in that kind of extraordinary environment.

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    Post  Hole Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:12 pm

    https://thesaker.is/day-20-a-few-short-updates/
    Take a look at the video. thumbsup

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    Post  Hole Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:14 pm

    littlerabbit wrote:
    Isos wrote:After all the video of urban war in syria where lonely taks get anhilated they still find some people crazy enough to drive them there.

    Urban war must be done on foot. With support from the drones. Tanks aren't needed. Maybe send those bmp-t behind the troop. But first reenforce the protection with add ons.


    Maybe they were carried away by battle...people can forget themselves in that kind of extraordinary environment.

    In Syria tanks were always present in urban warfare, combined with infantry. But you need tank crews that are familiar with that kind of enviroment. Syrians learned it the hard way.
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    Post  limb Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:21 pm

    Airbornewolf wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:Наглядная демонстрация живучести танка Т-72Б3, который получил четыре попадания из ПТРК Javelin/NLAW без детонации боекомплекта, дав возможность спастись экипажу

    https://t.me/swodki/43224

    God damn... heroes ... t72 took so many beastly hits

    They hit the engine on the left side, and he lost power... them they just kept hitting and hitting..

    RIP and I hope the guy who got out made it

    It said crew escaped but idk

    **** Ukraine

    Mobility kill, Left Track is broken after hit and rolls off when the tank reverses.
    even with light AT weapons that can not penetrate the Armour, you can still put tanks out of action.
    Tracks, optics, radio's, weapons

    Tanks are an usefull resource in urban combat, but they need to advance behind infantry to clear out any AT-Threats.

    We only see the driver escaping though, implying that the commander and gunner were killed. Still impressive that the molten jet didn't detonate the carousel.

    It also shows the inaccuracy of the javelin.

    The crew here though is kind of dumb.

    I didn't pop smoke at all after the hit, dooming the tank to 2 more hits. If it had popped smoke, the javelin would've lost the IR signature. Also here we see the piss poor reverse speed of the T-72 dooming it. If it had a 20-50km/h reverse speed like all nato tanks it could retreated very rapidly out of LOS into a side street.

    Also, this shows that some type of UV MAWS is essential for tanks, so they can pop smoke when an ATGM is approaching. Also you guys say that the javelin has a conspicuous plume from the rocket. I guess it's not conspicy because the tank crew didn't see it.
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    Post  Isos Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:24 pm

    Hole wrote:
    littlerabbit wrote:
    Isos wrote:After all the video of urban war in syria where lonely taks get anhilated they still find some people crazy enough to drive them there.

    Urban war must be done on foot. With support from the drones. Tanks aren't needed. Maybe send those bmp-t behind the troop. But first reenforce the protection with add ons.


    Maybe they were carried away by battle...people can forget themselves in that kind of extraordinary environment.

    In Syria tanks were always present in urban warfare, combined with infantry. But you need tank crews that are familiar with that kind of enviroment. Syrians learned it the hard way.

    An rpg from a window is enough to destroy a tank. There is no crew familiar with such fight to be safe in that tank.

    Having tanks in a city even with infantry around is deadly.

    They are clearly not the vehicles that should be used for such fight.

    RPO-A Shmel is the weapon to have there. It blows up the apartement where enemy hides. Need also small drones for recco.

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    Post  diabetus Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:27 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    diabetus wrote:

    What's with the mosins?

    These are the militia of the DPR and the DPR, recently mobilized to defend against the attack of Ukraine. So these are not combat units, they play the role of the commandant's office and law enforcement patrols. So they are armed with what is left, and new weapons go to the front. You don't need an AK to keep order at roadblocks.

    Right but no AKMs are left or anything?

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    Post  11E Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:32 pm

    Isos wrote:Hungry for targets choppers.

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:37 pm

    Again?

    ****, I think embedding needs to be disabled.
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    Post  franco Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:52 pm

    diabetus wrote:
    franco wrote:
    Regular wrote:Makes no sense, just give them SVD. Bolt action and especially in sentry duty?

    Seen him mentioned by a reporter. Apparently it was his grandfathers gun from WW2.

    Look at the pictures it's more than 1.

    Believe it is the same guy.
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    Post  Isos Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:54 pm

    11E fix your post.


    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7 - Page 16 Foeybv10

    Anyone can explain why ruble isn't going to 10000000 for 1 dollar as expected by the US ? Not the thread but it's related so I post it here but don't start a debat here.

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    Post  diabetus Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:56 pm

    franco wrote:
    diabetus wrote:
    franco wrote:
    Regular wrote:Makes no sense, just give them SVD. Bolt action and especially in sentry duty?

    Seen him mentioned by a reporter. Apparently it was his grandfathers gun from WW2.

    Look at the pictures it's more than 1.

    Believe it is the same guy.

    In one of the pictures (one with the t-72B3 in the background, there are 2 men with mosins.

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    Post  Regular Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:56 pm

    limb wrote:
    Also, this shows that some type of UV MAWS is essential for tanks, so they can pop smoke when an ATGM is approaching. Also you guys say that the javelin has a conspicuous plume from the rocket. I guess it's not conspicy because the tank crew didn't see it.

    What makes you think it was Javelin, not RPG or AT-4? Javelin climbs up to 150 meters for top attack and 60 meters for direct attack. Also, crew ain't dumb, we don't know if they have smoke dispensers loaded, it wouldn't change the fact. It was prepared killzone with multiple angles of attack.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:57 pm

    11e your post has destroyed the thread, edit or delete the tweet

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    Post  Regular Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:58 pm

    diabetus wrote:

    In one of the pictures (one with the t-72B3 in the background, there are 2 men with mosins.

    Also earlier pictures of DNR troop movements also show multiple people with Mosins.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:59 pm

    limb wrote:
    Airbornewolf wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:Наглядная демонстрация живучести танка Т-72Б3, который получил четыре попадания из ПТРК Javelin/NLAW без детонации боекомплекта, дав возможность спастись экипажу

    https://t.me/swodki/43224

    God damn... heroes ... t72 took so many beastly hits

    They hit the engine on the left side, and he lost power... them they just kept hitting and hitting..

    RIP and I hope the guy who got out made it

    It said crew escaped but idk

    **** Ukraine

    Mobility kill, Left Track is broken after hit and rolls off when the tank reverses.
    even with light AT weapons that can not penetrate the Armour, you can still put tanks out of action.
    Tracks, optics, radio's, weapons

    Tanks are an usefull resource in urban combat, but they need to advance behind infantry to clear out any AT-Threats.

    . Also here we see the piss poor reverse speed of the T-72 dooming it. If it had a 20-50km/h reverse speed like all nato tanks it could retreated very rapidly out of LOS into a side street.
    it.


    Has nothing to do with reverse speed, the tracks were knocked off completely if you watch the vid

    NATO tank with track knocked out would suffer the same thing, mobility kill

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:21 pm

    Regular wrote:
    diabetus wrote:

    In one of the pictures (one with the t-72B3 in the background, there are 2 men with mosins.

    Also earlier pictures of DNR troop movements also show multiple people with Mosins.

    A week ago or so there was one DNR guy filmed sporting a PPS-43, saying something like "it's grandpa's old faithful, it killed fascists back then and still does it" or something along those lines.

    Obviously just some stunt thing, for the "optics" so to speak.

    ...But when the Donbass insurrection started in early 2014 there were loads of ancient weaponry being used by the rebels. Many had seized Ukrainian army/Berkut/police AK-74s of course, in the mid-1980's "plum" furniture, but there were also civilian guns, and lots of old Mosins, PPSh's, PPS's, SKS's even some PTRD/S-41s...

    The USSR and several other WP countries stockpiled insane amounts of weapons, sealed in oil/grease, in old mine shafts and concrete bunkers. Many of those huge stockpiles date back to the 50's, when Mosins, SKS and PPS etc were still around in big numbers in rear guards before the AKs completely took over.

    After the fall of the USSR some of these giant stockpiles were broken up and sold off, mostly in former Warzaw Pact countries, but some from the former USSR as well, which is why import surplus Mosins, SKSes etc, were dirt cheap in the U.S. for quite a while.

    One of the Russian Twitter people commented on this stockpiling phenomenon a while back too, saying that some family member of theirs when doing USSR military service in the 1980s saw vehicular stockpiles that even had T-34s left, in mint condition all covered in grease and paper to prevent corrosion. Rather safe to say that those were gotten rid of though, as Russia rather recently bought T-34s from some South East Asian country (I don't remember which) to be used for historical parading duties. But T-55s and onward still remain here and there in massive numbers. Soviet war planning was like that.


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:25 pm

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    https://t.me/intelslava/22621?single

    During the liberation of Marinka from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the stronghold of the 1st mech. battalion of the 54th brigade, foreign weapons were found there - NLAW, SMAW grenade launchers, AN / TPQ-48 radars and personal belongings of American instructors who fought on the side of the Ukrainian national battalions. A US Tennessee flag and other items were found in a backpack near the remains of the militants, which made it possible to identify the dead as:
    Captain Michael Hawker (Cpt. Michael Hawker),
    Lieutenant Logan Shrum (Lt. Logan Shrum) and
    Lieutenant Cruz Toblin (Lt. Cruz Tomblin), who came to Ukraine to kill civilians in Donbass in 2018.

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    Post  LMFS Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:34 pm

    Firebird wrote:https://en.news-front.info/2022/03/17/ukraines-denazification-operation-operational-update-march-17-updated/

    08:34 lists the oblasts according to the RU MOD that are in favour of "good relations" with Russia.
    Basically includes Odessa and Zhtomyr but doesn'tmention Vinnytsia. Then its all the way East.
    They mention 15m people, plus the Donbass and of course Crimea are already liberated.

    So I wonder...will there be a partition there?
    What will happen to the West?
    Because thats where Uncle Sham will want to station his nukes and stage terrorist groups from.

    I notice Russia is now striking the West, but its not sending troops there right now.

    Frankly I see dealing with Banderastan proper ie Lvov etc to be a lot easier. BEcause if they despise Russia, Russia doesn't have to worry about killing them in an (ahem) surgical strike from a Tu-95 bomber.

    The more the Kiev junta delays their capitulation, the more likely is that a federation of independent republics/oblasts is created that can work towards normalization of their political life (i.e. being part of the Russian world according to the historical justice, instead of being shamelessly used as a tool against Russia) in the southeast and maybe even other regions in central Ukraine. If they want to name themselves Federations of Novorussia and Malorussia, well, I would not oppose... Then Lvov can keep the glory of naming themselves Ukraine if they want, being the actual frontier between the Russian and the Western world it would make at least some sense, and this "Ukraine" will indeed need to be neutral and inoffensive. OR ELSE.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:45 pm

    Turning point in the military situation in Ukraine / China in shock
    https://youtu.be/YUl0S_nmRco https://vk.com/milinfolive?w=wall-123538639_2287127

    related vids: https://youtu.be/g0X1cDC8VX0 ; https://youtu.be/_mKbGkZ0qV4 ;

    https://youtu.be/FjF7tQAI3eY ; https://youtu.be/Tk_1ZdIuPhs ; https://youtu.be/7DFidNc6MeM ;

    https://youtu.be/s5y5G4-ys94 ; https://youtu.be/D1IyWIXCpxI https://youtu.be/g0X1cDC8VX0

    https://vk.com/milinfolive?w=wall-123538639_2289238 The rational thought behind Putin’s war

    Zelensky isn’t a Nazi, but some of his soldiers are Putin's Bloody War in Ukraine Was 15 Years in the Making
    Tell Me How Ukraine Ends
    Anything can happen, but Putin "losing" in Ukraine seems among the most unlikely of scenarios.

    As I predicted, Putin sent his military to Ukraine, & later at least a big part of it will be annexed to RF, while the other part(s) will be given semi-independent/autonomous status or taken by Poland & Hungary. https://youtu.be/If61baWF4GE
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    Post  franco Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:51 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
    Regular wrote:
    diabetus wrote:

    In one of the pictures (one with the t-72B3 in the background, there are 2 men with mosins.

    Also earlier pictures of DNR troop movements also show multiple people with Mosins.

    A week ago or so there was one DNR guy filmed sporting a PPS-43, saying something like "it's grandpa's old faithful, it killed fascists back then and still does it" or something along those lines.

    Obviously just some stunt thing, for the "optics" so to speak.

    ...But when the Donbass insurrection started in early 2014 there were loads of ancient weaponry being used by the rebels. Many had seized Ukrainian army/Berkut/police AK-74s of course, in the mid-1980's "plum" furniture, but there were also civilian guns, and lots of old Mosins, PPSh's, PPS's, SKS's even some PTRD/S-41s...

    The USSR and several other WP countries stockpiled insane amounts of weapons, sealed in oil/grease, in old mine shafts and concrete bunkers. Many of those huge stockpiles date back to the 50's, when Mosins, SKS and PPS etc were still around in big numbers in rear guards before the AKs completely took over.

    After the fall of the USSR some of these giant stockpiles were broken up and sold off, mostly in former Warzaw Pact countries, but some from the former USSR as well, which is why import surplus Mosins, SKSes etc, were dirt cheap in the U.S. for quite a while.

    One of the Russian Twitter people commented on this stockpiling phenomenon a while back too, saying that some family member of theirs when doing USSR military service in the 1980s saw vehicular stockpiles that even had T-34s left, in mint condition all covered in grease and paper to prevent corrosion. Rather safe to say that those were gotten rid of though, as Russia rather recently bought T-34s from some South East Asian country (I don't remember which) to be used for historical parading duties. But T-55s and onward still remain here and there in massive numbers. Soviet war planning was like that.

    The largest military equipment storage bases in Ukraine was outside of Kramatorsk. One of the reasons for the Alamo act at Slavyansk was to allow it to be emptied of any worth while equipment and ammo.

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