I don't understand why they can't simply deploy and scatter in the fields?
I would guess if they let them loose like that some would not come back when called upon because they are not so interested in dying for Zelensky and American values.
As much as i love Russia, and had lot of respect for Putin i have to say. People who think that this war is about "Nazis" is hopelessly delusional as people who claims that Russia wants to take Europe. This was a very stupid move and will achieve nothing for anyone.
Nazis is just a label... most of those idiots are just people who are angry and hate, they get swastikas tattooed on their bodies because they know it winds up Russians and old people... who cares what they are called... I call them nazis cause it is a nice short word that is easier to type than a full description.
Kiev had planned an attack on the LNR and DNR for 8th of March and if Russia had waited till then there is a good chance a lot more people would have died in those regions because of the artillery preparation for the attack alone.
It has been proven the US had 50 plus bio weapon labs located around Russia including many in Georgia and Ukraine, and it is also proven that Zelensky wanted Nuclear weapons which the US had agreed to help him develop... this is not some third world country, Soviet scientists in the Ukraine already developed and made nuclear weapons... all they would need are the components and they could assemble one quite quickly beause they know what they are doing... they have made them before.
Bio weapons, nuclear weapons, 8 years of shelling their own people and justifying it by claiming it is OK... they are invading Russians so it is OK to murder them.
Just any of those things alone would be justification for the invasion... the west has invaded and attacked countries on a lot less pretext...
Besides, Russia does not need our permission.
The west ignores the rules... why should anyone care what the west says on the matter?
Only death and chaos in a world that had enough of it. Putin could had ended his political career without this...
They were developing bio weapons and nuclear weapons... the Russian people would never have forgiven him for doing nothing.
Now a lot of Russians and Ukrainians are dying, young men of a population that struggles with low birth rate.
That is right... the difference is that the people of the Ukraine had a choice and left Putin with no choice at all.
The US made the choice for the Ukraine and like the dumb fucks that they are... and the EU is and the west is... they just went with the plan.
And this is where the plan leads... where the plan was always leading.
The west and the Ukraine have what they wanted and as usual it is all Putins fault.
But then everything is though isn't it?
Lots of flaws on russian equipment and tactics where exposed to the world... A humanitarian crisis has emerged and people couldn't even take a break from Covid
Covid... another little gem created in a US funded lab in China... they are opening pandoras box but it is China and Putin that are to blame.... right...
Russia is pretty much banned from the international market. And all of this for what? Nothing. For freaking nothing. Go ahead and call me a troll if you will, but look at my older posts before trying it.
The international market needs energy and food.... two things Russia has in abundance, and lets be a little honest... the west is going apeshit because honestly they thought Putin was weak, but he is not weak, there is normally another option but this time all the other options were exhausted and three important buttons were intentionally pressed.... nazis, bio weapons, and nuke weapons... the Ukraine was clearly desperate for this war and they got it... they got exactly what they wanted... and now they are crying evil Russia...
In a world where US drones kill 5,000 people per year who cares about Ukrainian soldiers using their own civilians as meat shields... kill them in their beds.... kill them when they are going to the toilet... who cares... but the more they kill them the more Ukrainian civilians get to live.
US Secretary of Defense says Russia's strategy has stalled and he is feeding his troops to a wood chipper.
Sounds great from a country that just left Afghanistan after 20 years there... I am sure it is all heartfelt concern for the lives of Russians of course...
Since I live here in America, I don't know what is really going on because I am hearing all kinds of things. On the news here, it was said that Russia has lost 15,000 soldiers is that true?
Closer to 200,000 probably... but if they ignored it and the Nazi Orcs got nukes and bio weapons it would be 150 million Russians killed so this is obviously a much better solution for Russia.
How many times was it discussed on this forum that Russia has nothing to do by going into the Ukraine? That it should be left alone?
Nuclear weapons and bio weapons and an impending attack on the DNR and LNR with subsequent likely attacks on the Crimea meant leaving them alone was no longer an option... and attacking now before they got bio or nuke weapons is kinda important don't you think?
What if they started their attack on the DNR and LNR with an enormous artillery barrage and to distract Russia a ship packed full of explosives destroying the bridge to the Crimea?
What sort of preparation and mobilisation would then be necessary to execute the current operation under those sorts of circumstances?
Would the Ukraine have attacked if Russia hadn't attacked first?
I'd say there is good reason to believe that. They were not implementing Minsk, and like Saakashvilli they were only expanding the Ukrainian military. While building up more and more NATO infrastructure.
But the fact is we'll never know. Nor whether they would have attacked, nor whether NATO planned to accept them. As it was Russia that attacked. Everything else is just 'what if'
Their captured plans show March 8th as the date for the attack... all that western baiting about a Russian attack was no doubt intended to stall any Russian attack so they could get their attack in first.
And if Russia would have succeeded in destabilising the Ukrainian regime quickly, or forcing them into a treaty - it would be one thing.
Why?
Look at their history of treaties... it would be worthless.
And I don't like plan C. But there is no reverse gear as now Russia is in a proxy war with NATO.
HATO has completely disowned the Ukraine and will limit themselves to supplying weapons... well if that makes a country a HATO member then Afghanistan has been in HATO since the 1980s.
They consciously walked right into the bear trap that NATO has set for them, believing somehow that they can outsmart it. Instead though they underestimated everything and ended up in this situation.
They made this Russian attack necessary.... it is not a Bear trap... it is a ruin the west trap.... they need Russia a hell of a lot more than Russia needs the west... all that fancy technology needs rare earth minerals and also electricity, not to mention oil and gas.
In many ways this is Russias trap for the US.
Russia had 8 years to figure out something more clever.
Why?
Russia had the Crimea... they don't want LNR and DNR... that was just Orcs killing Orcs... not pleasant... but not actually Russias problem.
If they weren't murdering people Russia could have ignored it forever.... but then the nazi shit and the nukes shit and the bioweapons shit and they could ignore no longer... this wasn't going to sort itself out and needed an adult in the room to give the naughty children a clip around the ear.
To bring about some sort of settlement on the Crimea and frozen conflict in the Donbass. Instead this shit.
The people of the Crimea are Russian and Russia accepts that, Kiev does not... I rather doubt the people of the Crimea could care less about what the west thinks.
And no I don't like that Ukrainian servicemen, even conscripts are paying the price for it.
Poro and Zelensky had options and they chose bad ones and their army and their population are now paying for their choices...
Hence our command fked up.
Russia and Putin were give no other choices.
Instead what do we have.
Underestimation of Ukrainian military
Underestimation of Western economic and political unified response
Underestimation of Ukrainian regime stability and rallying to flag
Underestimation of lack of appeal of Russian mission to Ukrainian population
So you say, but a force of 70K just brutalised one of the biggest countries in Europe with a standing army of over 200K... much of which is surrounded in the fields they have been committing warcrimes for the last 8 years.
They have captured biolabs, which has the US sqealling saying any bio warfare incident will have to be because of Russia now and not them, and they have captured nuclear power stations and nuclear facilities and are probably also attacking centres that could be used for bio weapons and nuke weapons so all they really need to do now is continue with those and of course eliminate the nazi war criminals in the Ukraine so the people of the Ukraine can retake control of their own country and start making decisions for Ukrainians instead of for Washington and its war hawks.
In my view, I'd argue that even in 2014 there would have been no guarantee that Russian forces would have been greeted positively anywhere outside the Crimea and Donbass, although certainly more positively than now, and perhaps indifferently in many parts of the country.
Who cares... this is not about saving the Ukrainian people... this is eliminating a threat.
But that we majorly wrecked the lives of millions of people, bulldozed the economy of an entire country, are killing off their young men, no matter what bullshit they've been led to believe - that's the conscience.
An entire country with no economy to speak of except whores in the west.... if the Ukraine stays with the west it has no future at all... and a lot of those young men would murder you given the chance because you are Russian and America tells him you murdered his great grandparents or some such shit...
It's a civil war, this stuff. I can't be glad about it.
Be glad that the anti Russia machine next door to your country is being broken properly and when your country has finished it might have a decent chance at a future that does not involve selling livers and kidneys or children...
Same people, Russians and Ukrainians, just different states.
You mean like Americans... they had a civil war too... they also fought with Germany and Japan and lots of other countries since... BTW which country on the planet are there no Americans that come from that country?
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in front of the whole world, at "security summit" - what a sick joke 
Who would believe that, if not presented by the Hungarian customs?!? 
Russian Defense Ministry briefing (23.03.2022)
Units of the Russian armed forces continue destroying units of the 54th separate mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Currently, they are fighting for the capture of the village of Novomikhailovka.
Operational-tactical and army aviation, as well as missile forces , hit 97 objects of the military infrastructure of Ukraine during the day.
Among them:: two launchers and a transport-loading vehicle of the Tochka-U tactical missile system in the industrial zone on the northern outskirts of KIEV, 8 anti-aircraft missile systems, including: 6 Buk-M1 ,one S-300 and one SAM combat vehicle"Osa", 10 command posts, 8 field artillery guns, as well as 3 artillery reconnaissance stations produced by NATO countries.
In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 184 aircraft and helicopters of the Ukrainian Air Force, 246 unmanned aerial vehicles, 189 anti-aircraft missile systems, 1,558 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 156 multiple launch rocket systems, 624 were destroyed. field artillery and mortar guns, as well as 1,354 units of special military vehicles.
