Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7

RTN wrote:

Regular wrote:You can't compare local conflict with conventional, RTN. Are you that stupid? US tanks would burn just as well from threats Russians are facing, Tusk would mean nothing when facing top of the range Ukrainian domestic ATGMs, not to mention top attack ones.

Not as stupid as you dickhead. You can't even construct a sentence. What does this even mean "compare local conflict with conventional"??? What is local conflict? Why are you so dense that you don't even realize that a local conflict has always been conventional?

We had the entire Iraqi population against us. Iran was throwing thousands of its citizens and soldiers at us. Yet we achieved our objectives of occupying Iraq.

But I was told they'd greet us as liberators. Maybe bombing them and stealing their oil and looting their museums and being heavy handed and setting up torture ops in Abu Ghraib was not the best idea. The Iraq War was an instruction manual of how not to invade a country and gain control over it.

Couple of thoughts:

- I think today's losses should make it painfully clear why the Russian military is attacking the nazis close to Donetsk from the South, dislodging them from the LOC instead of just encircling them from the rear. Those bastards are simply to close to civilian targets and that bleeding needs to be stopped asap

- As to Poland: they are conducting a silent mobilization and readiness checks. If they are thrown under the bus by the US and named voluntary to fight Russia, they will provide a great excuse to finally get rid of Aegis Ashore, the nodes where support for Ukraine is organized as well as to "roll back" NATO infrastructure in the country to 1997 level by expedite methods...

- The Balts don't count as a military force, but they are optimally placed to stage a military provocation against Russia with the help of US, this cannot be forgotten. They in turn should not forget Suwalki as a first step and what may come next.

- The decision centers in Washington should start getting concerned if they keep escalating towards a total war in Eastern Europe, Putin does not have the habit of bluffing...

More Nazi literature and objects found in Mariupol by DPR.

RTN wrote:

Regular wrote:You can't compare local conflict with conventional, RTN. Are you that stupid? US tanks would burn just as well from threats Russians are facing, Tusk would mean nothing when facing top of the range Ukrainian domestic ATGMs, not to mention top attack ones.

Not as stupid as you dickhead. You can't even construct a sentence. What does this even mean "compare local conflict with conventional"??? What is local conflict? Why are you so dense that you don't even realize that a local conflict has always been conventional?

We had the entire Iraqi population against us. Iran was throwing thousands of its citizens and soldiers at us. Yet we achieved our objectives of occupying Iraq.

You achieved your objectives of getting fucked by iran

And evicted badly

Actually none of you objectives was achieved

You got fucked everywhere you went and claimed victory

It's pathetic watching you all cry from your laptops as we rape your client state

Mariupol is almost over, last few blocks to Denazify.

Russian marines in combat in mariupol:



Civilians the Russians rescued:

Alligator class struck at berdyansk port. What a debacle.

If nobody got hurt who cares... it is just a boat... and an old one at that...

Russia needs to bomb that place to smithereens even if its directly on the Slovak border.

That would send a message.

I'm not sure what the solution is here, but just a thought.

A solution would have been Zelensky implimenting his obligations under the Minsk agreements and being man enough to stand up to the US and tell them no... but he isn't a man so people die and people suffer.

Perhaps if the US was less evil or the EU weren't such whipped pussies and could look to their own interests instead of jumping to Washingtons command.

Eventually we introduced a Tank Urban Survival Kit (TUSK) for tanks.

Eventually?

The TUSK includes add-on explosive reactive armor, fitted to side skirts. It provides protection against RPG rounds. A slat armor is added to the hull rear. It also provides protection against RPG rounds.

It protected against the ancient RPG rounds the Iraqis were using but would it stop a modern AT weapon?

All this in a country half way across the world and not across the border. Russia clearly has not learnt the lessons of fighting in an Urban environment. Tanks lack situational awareness, APS, cage armor and Nakidka camouflage system.

APS would make a difference but which military has that fully operational on all their tanks right at this moment?

Cage armour helps but is no where near perfect, and Nakidka would be important against Brimstone and Javelin, but how effective is Javelin at the current time?

Dozens of armored vehicles gone, thousands of Russian conscripts gone and the ass fucked gits of this forum (mostly non resident Russians) are in denial that this is how terrible their special operation has been till date.

It is so beautiful that you care... there were only a very small number of conscripts involved in this conflict on the Russian sides, the vast majority are professional soldiers... as the various western mercs have noticed just before they ran away.

It is not just a case of slapping on an APS system, you have to train to use it properly... and ironically they generally require the hatches to be closed on a tank for them to operate properly which impacts SA in a rather negative way.

We at least brought back every single dead US soldier from Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm quite confident that the bastards at Kremlin won't even bother to do that, because for them Ukraine is just a theater where they can offload the unwanted citizens of their country....much like what their role model Stalin achieved during World War II.

Peddling your pro American propaganda... every single US soldier my arse, the US military couldn't care less about their soldiers in combat unless there is a chance to spend more money and make some US MIC company slightly richer... you look at US training and it is all careful aimed fire... marksmanship they call it, but the videos I saw of Afghanistan they raised their guns above the wall and fired in full auto in the general direction of the enemy.

Some of the IEDs the enemy used there would not be enough to scoop up...

If you think the US government gives a shit about US soldiers then why are they so keen to get involved in wars that have nothing at all to do with the security and safety of the US of A. They will invade countries just so the price of oil goes down a bit.

Putin needed Nazis and Bio weapons labs and Nuclear weapons and the threat of an invasion from Kievs forces anyway before he invaded the Ukraine... otherwise he only goes where he is invited.... that is respect for his men and women... not wasting their lives to make some rich slightly richer...

But you don't understand, you don't want to understand.

The Russian Defense Ministry continues to study documents received from employees of Ukrainian biological laboratories about secret US military biological activities in Ukraine.

Experts of the Russian radiation, chemical and biological protection forces have revealed new facts that prove the direct involvement of the US Department of Defense in the development of biological weapons components in Ukraine.

We will submit original documents in the near future demonstrating that the biological project "Yu-Pi-2", which we have already described, was developed and approved specifically at the Pentagon. The main goal of this project was to conduct a molecular analysis of particularly dangerous infections endemic to Ukraine. This work involved taking samples of the pathogen in old cattle burials in order to obtain new anthrax strains.

However, the Pentagon's experiments were not limited to the development of dangerous infections. So, for example, a pharmaceutical company contracted by the US Department of Defense, according to the documents received, worked with the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine to conduct tests of unregistered medical products on Ukrainian servicemen. We will discuss these and other documented facts at a special briefing in the near future.

Russia needs to step up its bioweapons programme, for self defence but also to achieve the ability to respond in kind if attacked.

What I can't work out is why Russia didn't do more 8 yrs ago.

8 years ago most of the food Russians ate came from the EU, and their helicopter engines were from Motor Sich... they didn't expect it to lead to here... nobody did... clearly...

But sadly, the Orcs have had 8 yrs of rearming and 8 yrs of vile propaganda too.

Equally they have had 8 years to realise the propaganda is vile and would lead to their extinction for the benefit of the US only, yet they trod that path anyway.

You can't just blame Russia... Russia is just cleaning up the mess.... blame the US... it would never have happened without them pushing for this, the EU are pussies and also happily allowed this to happen in Europe again... they could have told Poro or Zelensky to follow the obligations but they chose not to, and instead complained that Russia wasn't doing what they were supposed to do which was nothing of course... they accepted the Kiev line that the people of the Donbass and Lugansk were all Russian soldiers from Russia sent there by Putin to invade... well careful what you wish for.

Not as stupid as you dickhead. You can't even construct a sentence. What does this even mean "compare local conflict with conventional"??? What is local conflict? Why are you so dense that you don't even realize that a local conflict has always been conventional?

What he means is that war was pushed upon Russia, they didn't cross tens of thousands of kms of land and sea to go looking for a fight.

We had the entire Iraqi population against us. Iran was throwing thousands of its citizens and soldiers at us. Yet we achieved our objectives of occupying Iraq.

Of course you had the entire iraqi population against you... you have been fucking them for decades... your objectives were to secure the oil and murder every damn native that got in your way and your kill count was impressive... congrats, you turned a western looking ME country into rubble...

When I was a kid the west prided itself on nation building and the Soviets were denounced as the war mongers who would be handy allies in a war but in peace you wanted good relations with the west for real prosperity... but somewhere along the way the roles have reversed... the US can't even help itself and can only kill and destroy and murder.

GARRY, its to much !

Click on his username on one of his posts and go to his profile and on the top right there are two links... add to friends list and add to foes list... if you add him to your foes list his posts disappear from your forum view.

The Iraq War was an instruction manual of how not to invade a country and gain control over it.

It was an instruction manual for ... we are here for the oil and we don't give a **** about anything else... at all...

If there are only 20 or 30 of us left on this forum, it is better than having fascists and brainwashed people among us.
The shithead mentions American troops. They killed a million civilians in Iraq. No one imposed sanctions on them, nor did the Russians, Chinese or any other party give weapons to Iraq for self-defense from NATO aggressors.
Garry, I'm sorry if I'm boring, but block that fascist.

I appreciate what you are saying, but just being wrong is not enough to get banned on this forum.

It is important to hear other voices that you might not agree with, and he is a voice if a 15 year old American boy who thinks America is the best and Russia is rubbish... if I ban him then how will you know how illinformed people from his part of the planet really are?

We have seen British special forces guys get a wakeup call, but so many armchair generals out there who didn't get that memo... they are ready to take on Russia cause Putin is weak and an idiot... because obviously every country on the planet has gone through what Russia has been through over the last 30 years and they are all in exactly the same place economically and politically and culturally.

- The decision centers in Washington should start getting concerned if they keep escalating towards a total war in Eastern Europe, Putin does not have the habit of bluffing...

He has a very different hand from that which he started this poker game...

And he no longer wants a partnership now that he realises that of the 10 people at the poker table one is the US and the west all rolled in to one, and the other 8 people are the rest of the world, so if the US leaves there is still plenty left for a good game of poker... especially as the US is a bully and a well known cheater... who would want to play with him anyway?

What’s going on in Ukraine? Why are these Roma women assaulted in public?

If that arsehole did that in front of me I would shove that dildo up his ass followed by that camera... and then the cameraman...

American volunteer in Ukraine describes how foreigners who flocked over to the country to fight Russia are being used as cannon fodder and are threatened by Ukrainian forces with murder if they refuse to deploy on suicide missions

So they came to kill Russians, it is hard to sympathise with their situation... just hope the Russians brought enough ammo.

Garry, no worries, they got ammo

Additional footage of russian marines in combat in mariupol.
@4:05, Citizen telling the Russian soldier where the Nazi's are held up in.

ALAMO wrote:You are calling cities they want at  the end.
Mariupol is not so important, there are already ports with better infrastructure there.

Mariupol is more important as a political objective than a military one. At least since they bottled the Ukr forces near the coastline and have control of the roads to link up with the Donbass.

RTN wrote:Russia clearly has not learnt the lessons of fighting in an Urban environment. Tanks lack situational awareness, APS, cage armor and Nakidka camouflage system.

Right. That must be why they did not bother developing the T-14 then. Which has none of those things. Right?

RTN wrote:We at least brought back every single dead US soldier from Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm quite confident that the bastards at Kremlin won't even bother to do that, because for them Ukraine is just a theater where they can offload the unwanted citizens of their country....much like what their role model Stalin achieved during World War II.

Right. Which is why you had McNamara's Morons in Vietnam.
Stalin was fighting to defend against a war of extermination in his own territory. Something you would never understand.

flamming_python wrote:Russia is doing a lot of weird things in this war.
In the LNR northern borders its trench warfare, in the DNR northern borders its a methodical advance, whereas the Russian grouping could have tried to encircle that whole Ukrainian Donbass concentration of forces earlier

I think the whole point of leaving an opening was to try to at least get some of them to retreat towards Kiev. Otherwise the best option is to roast them in their trenches. But to do that both northern and southern pincers need to be engaged and their supply needs to be cut.

flamming_python wrote:In Mariupol you don't seem to have Ka-52s or Mi-28Ns used, Ukrainian tanks are firing in the streets still, when they could have been taken out at range with Vikhrs

You probably think it is easy to fight with helicopters in urban combat. But that is a really bad idea. As the US figured out in Iraq. You can easily hide troops with MANPADS in tall buildings and if you have helicopters at low altitude going around buildings to hit low-silhouette targets you are going to lose a load of helicopters. It is way more reasonable to spot their armor with drones and Krasnopol them.

flamming_python wrote:The initial set of Chechens sent to Mariupol weren't equipped for urban fighting at all, although it seems they were reinforced with veterans from Chechnya later on.

I have been kind of surprised the Chechens don't seem to be using as much body armor as they could. Perhaps they just don't like using it. Still I think it is reasonable to expect them to ramp up tactics and equipment to suit the situation.

flamming_python wrote:In Izyum, Irpen, heavy battles - but again seemingly a lack of Russian bombing. I think in Izyum the Ukrainians were holding a hill with concealed artillery positions.

I think the main problem is they lack enough drones to properly support their artillery. And Russia needs to modernize its artillery. It is barely better than the late Soviet one the Ukrainians have. The Chinese have way better long range artillery and even the US has a program to increase their artillery range which should go in service soon. The main advantage the Russians have, I think, is the Tornado-S MLRS with the GLONASS rounds. But they clearly do not have enough units in service with this.
The Russian Army also have the TOS-1 of course. But they cannot use it to maximum effect because of the orders of the commander in chief.