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    Post  flamming_python Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:10 pm

    mr_hd wrote:I will add Russian forces are also way too much spread and low in supplies. Attack on couple of big axes proved unsustainable with the forces Russia send  since Ukraine is just way too big country. In order to contninue with invasion Russia will need send much more people and equipment.

    There is that opinion from Strelkov, that Russia spread out over too many axis.
    However he is thinking in terms of Blitzkrieg

    Rather the Russian strategy seems to be a variant of deep battle order, where you actually attack over as many axis as possible. Then stop the attack there were you find heavy resistance, and continue and exploit the attack where resistance is less. Of course this you usually do when you have a numerical superiority, not inferiority.

    This seems to be confirmed by the constant hide & seek played by the Russian amphibious forces off the coast of Odessa, forcing the Ukrainians to keep brigades there rather than transfering them to Nikolayev
    And also by the Belarussian exercise just a few days ago that pulled the Belarussian army up to the borders with Lutsk, but then went back to their barracks. This forces the Ukrainians to keep their 3 brigades in Western Ukraine there for now too, rather than sending them to push back the Russians from Kiev.

    It's anyone's guess where the next big push will be, but at the moment the Russian side is content to just creep forward around Kharkov and Kiev, and lure the enemy into desperate counter-attacks. One was already attempted a week ago near Kiev, where the Russian forces withdrew, destroyed the attackers with artillery, and then resumed their previous positions

    Ukraine is indeed low in ammunition and basics supplies, however country is not under weapons embargo and does have quite big financial assistance - so this situation will be overcome given there is couple of more weeks that they can keep this intensity of fighting. Time so far is on Ukrainian side.

    They're very low on fuel and a lot of ammo. Financial assistance is rather irrelevant at the moment, their economy is barely functional and all their repair workshops and defense industries have been taken out too, they can't fix or make more weapons. They can get stuff from the West, but if its too big and clumsy they won't have time to train on it anyway. They're getting partisan weapons, and it seems the West has been banking on a partisan battle since the beginning. Which is something Russia is trying to counter as well, by not extending itself too much and giving time for the native Ukrainian forces on its side (the DNR/LNR) to finish up Mariupol and have a big propaganda victory.

    The real trouble for the Ukrainian side is the propaganda waning off as it becomes more and more absurd, and the psychological barrier of accepting defeat sweeping over their soldiers. If that happens, they will begin to surrender in large numbers.

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    Post  kvs Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:13 pm

    Thank you Auslander for posting this. I don't know if I could have the strength to be on the internet if I had suffered what you
    are suffering.

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    Post  auslander Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:18 pm

    I will not be on forum for a while, my wife is overcome with distress. Luba will read forum and write what we are doing. My wife needs me much more than forum.

    We both thank all of you for your condolences, the condolences mean very much to us. Lubov prints them out in late afternoon and Ye'lean'chka and I read them. My bride is reduced to tears from your comments. We thank all of you!!!

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    Post  Dima Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:21 pm

    Sorry for offtopic, but had to..
    I would like to post these here, coz, the channel INDIA TODAY and their bit$hes that was always barking for their western masters, and continuing so with Special Operations in Ukraine, is now reporting from Moscow.
    I hope guys who are in Russian forums also, spread the word about all the anti-Russian Indian media and their reporters and raise their voice against entertaining them in Russia. These $cums don't have the slightest empathy and understanding of what the Russian speakers have gone through over the past 8 years and the security of Russia and simply reproduce all the western narratives.

    Pack this bitch (& other such "indian" reporters) out of Russia.
    https://twitter.com/Geeta_Mohan
    Only allow reporters from GOVT / public broadcaster from India, coz, their "reporting" can be taken up at official level with Indian Govt.
    But any reporting from "independent" private channels, if taken up with Indian Govt will likely result in a response of them being independent, even though, in reality, the western stooges in the Indian establishment has allowed them to flourish and allowed them to continue with their anti-Russian agenda on behalf of their western masters.

    Almost every single of their news cast is titled PUTIN's INVASION, PUTIN's WAR on Ukraine, etc, which I believe has the hand of the big bastard, the sensationalist $cum, Shiv Arroor, other $cums like US educated Rahul Kanwal, etc. There is another $cum "reporting" wstern narratives from Poland.
    https://twitter.com/gauravcsawant

    But, I still can't digest WHY & HOW are the Russians so dumb when it comes to India?
    When will they come out of the Soviet painted rosy picture of India and open their eyes to the hard reality that most Indians and absolutely every single Indian media are anti-Russian $cums and parrot their western masters narrative?

    When will they learn not to make a fool of themselves and try to understand and respond to Indians on a case by case basis?


    And this is the integrity of Indian foreign policy in brief. The little $cum...Indian FM, Jaishankar's product..
    https://twitter.com/d_jaishankar
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    Hope I do not have to remind that the last Russian resolution in the UN failed to pass. Also, let me remind that India abstained in that vote....like I said, spineless move, like the earlier TWO abstention. This abstention was to reassure their western masters that we are still with you and not supporting Russia.

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    Post  Isos Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:27 pm

    auslander wrote:I will not be on forum for a while, my wife is overcome with distress. Luba will read forum and write what we are doing. My wife needs me much more than forum.

    We both thank all of you for your condolences, the condolences mean very much to us. Lubov prints them out in late afternoon and Ye'lean'chka and I read them. My bride is reduced to tears from your comments. We thank all of you!!!


    What happened ? I don't understand your previous post.


    Edit: just saw your post. I'm sorry for your loss.


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    Post  Isos Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:30 pm

    So the fire at the port that damaged ships isn't an ukrainian attack with tochka-U but just a fire that started accidently.

    You can see in this video it starts with no explosion.


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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:33 pm

    Mariupol center and administration buildings under RU control now. Some Azovites remain holed up in residential neighborhoods nearby, and according to locals they fire at everything.

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    Post  Dima Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:35 pm

    auslander wrote:     We have two sons and two daughters serving in DLNR. Our son has died of his wounds. One daughter is badly wounded, the orcs mortared her field hospital again despite it being clearly labeled as a Hospital. She will not survive, the orc wounded soldier she was protecting with her body will live but will lose an arm. My wife is beyond distraught, we have lost half our children in one day.
        Nanny has arrived to take care of our four leg children and our youngest little girl. We have armed guards outside our gates. Media have been informed that our street is forbidden to them and the usual 'no photos no interviews' gig is in effect. Neighbor women are sitting with VCO all night. Computer will stay on for Nanny. I will not be here until after our two children are brought to us and put to rest. Funerals will be private with full military honors. Needless to say, our youngest girl will not be in school for the time being.

    Auslander out.
    Really hard to hear. My sincere condolences to you and your family for the loss of dear ones. May their soul rest in peace. Prayers.

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    Post  par far Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:37 pm

    Dima wrote:Sorry for offtopic, but had to..
    I would like to post these here, coz, the channel INDIA TODAY and their bit$hes that was always barking for their western masters, and continuing so with Special Operations in Ukraine, is now reporting from Moscow.
    I hope guys who are in Russian forums also, spread the word about all the anti-Russian Indian media and their reporters and raise their voice against entertaining them in Russia. These $cums don't have the slightest empathy and understanding of what the Russian speakers have gone through over the past 8 years and the security of Russia and simply reproduce all the western narratives.

    Pack this bitch (& other such "indian" reporters) out of Russia.
    https://twitter.com/Geeta_Mohan
    Only allow reporters from GOVT / public broadcaster from India, coz, their "reporting" can be taken up at official level with Indian Govt.
    But any reporting from "independent" private channels, if taken up with Indian Govt will likely result in a response of them being independent, even though, in reality, the western stooges in the Indian establishment has allowed them to flourish and allowed them to continue with their anti-Russian agenda on behalf of their western masters.

    Almost every single of their news cast is titled PUTIN's INVASION, PUTIN's WAR on Ukraine, etc, which I believe has the hand of the big bastard, the sensationalist $cum, Shiv Arroor, other $cums like US educated Rahul Kanwal, etc. There is another $cum "reporting" wstern narratives from Poland.
    https://twitter.com/gauravcsawant

    But, I still can't digest WHY & HOW are the Russians so dumb when it comes to India?
    When will they come out of the Soviet painted rosy picture of India and open their eyes to the hard reality that most Indians and absolutely every single Indian media are anti-Russian $cums and parrot their western masters narrative?

    When will they learn not to make a fool of themselves and try to understand and respond to Indians on a case by case basis?


    And this is the integrity of Indian foreign policy in brief. The little $cum...Indian FM, Jaishankar's product..
    https://twitter.com/d_jaishankar
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    Hope I do not have to remind that the last Russian resolution in the UN failed to pass. Also, let me remind that India abstained in that vote....like I said, spineless move, like the earlier TWO abstention. This abstention was to reassure their western masters that we are still with you and not supporting Russia.


    Dima, India is in a complicated place, it has to balance between the west and Russia. Some of the elites have strong business ties with the west, I think India is doing a decent job of balancing everything, they may have abstained in the UN vote but they are buying Russian oil and other deals with Russia.

    As for the media, most of it is pro west and some pro Russia.

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    Post  auslander Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:39 pm

    Isos wrote:
    auslander wrote:I will not be on forum for a while, my wife is overcome with distress. Luba will read forum and write what we are doing. My wife needs me much more than forum.
    We both thank all of you for your condolences, the condolences mean very much to us. Lubov prints them out in late afternoon and Ye'lean'chka and I read them. My bride is reduced to tears from your comments. We thank all of you!!!
    What happened ? I don't understand your previous post.

    Я Любовь. Любовь означает Любовь. Любовь - это мое данное Церковное имя. Я не говорю по-английски. Я использую компьютерный перевод.

    Товарищ капитан Первого ранга и госпожа капитан вчера потеряли двоих из своих четырех детей. Половина их семьи погибла, сын, лейтенант, умер от ран в Мариуполе, дочь, медицинская сестра, старший лейтенант, умерла от ран в Полевом госпитале, когда она прикрыла раненого солдата-орка своим телом во время минометного обстрела, как ее учили делать. Орк будет жить.

    I am Lubov. Lubov means Love. Love is my given Church name. I do not speak English. I use computer translate.

    The Comrade Captain First Rank and Madame Captain lost two of their four children yesterday. Half their family is gone, a son, Lieutanant, died of his wounds in Mariupol, a daughter, Medical Sister Senior Lieutanant, died of her wounds in Field Hospital as she covered a wounded Orc soldier with her body during a mortar barrage as she was trained to do. The Orc will live.



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    Post  Dima Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:43 pm

    Just another delighted assole. Again, one among the many, whom people mistake as being neutral/objective source.
    https://twitter.com/CovertShores/status/1506900560167026690
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    ***BREAKING***

    Now beyond any reasonable doubt that a #Russian Navy Alligator Class landing ship exploded in #Berdiansk, Ukraine

    Reportedly a Ukrainian ballistic missile strike. Two Ropucha Class ships also present, observed sailing away as fire raged

    Shall post a little more next month.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:43 pm

    Anyone can help me identify what container is this on the Kamaz ?

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    This could be the one which "claimed" to be part of Krasuha. It checks everything i can think of, like No hydraulic jacks, no generator set and no sign of antenna etc.
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    Post  Airbornewolf Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:44 pm

    Russian SF operating in Kherson

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    Post  par far Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:44 pm

    RTN wrote:
    Regular wrote:You can't compare local conflict with conventional, RTN. Are you that stupid? US tanks would burn just as well from threats Russians are facing, Tusk would mean nothing when facing top of the range Ukrainian domestic ATGMs, not to mention top attack ones.
    Not as stupid as you dickhead. You can't even construct a sentence. What does this even mean "compare local conflict with conventional"??? What is local conflict? Why are you so dense that you don't even realize that a local conflict has always been conventional?

    We had the entire Iraqi population against us. Iran was throwing thousands of its citizens and soldiers at us. Yet we achieved our objectives of occupying Iraq.



    How did that end for you? After 20 years, you achieved nothing.





    There is a big difference between fighting 3rd world armies and one that is capable as in Ukraine.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:49 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:Anyone can help me identify what container is this on the Kamaz ?

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    This could be the one which "claimed" to be part of Krasuha.  It checks everything i can think of, like No hydraulic jacks, no generator set and no sign of antenna etc.

    As I said yesterday, standard KK4.

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    http://www.shumerkaf.ru/catalog/mnogotselevye_kuzova_konteynery/kuzov_konteyner_kk_4_2

    It is a standard container used for the Krasukha control unit, but it is also used for a wide range of other things, as I said. Field hospital, kitchen, comms, drone control, bla bla bla.

    Additional details like antennas etc are as you said needed to determine what a particular container has been used for.

    The one in the original photo yesterday smelled very funny, for the reasons I outlined then.


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    Post  Hole Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:52 pm

    So the Berdyansk harbor incident is just another fake "victory" for the Orcs.

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    Big is better.


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    Post  Boshoed Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:53 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
    Stealthflanker wrote:Anyone can help me identify what container is this on the Kamaz ?

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    This could be the one which "claimed" to be part of Krasuha.  It checks everything i can think of, like No hydraulic jacks, no generator set and no sign of antenna etc.

    As I said yesterday, standard KK4.

    http://www.shumerkaf.ru/catalog/mnogotselevye_kuzova_konteynery/kuzov_konteyner_kk_4_2

    It is a standard container used for the Krasukha control unit, but it also used for a wide range of other things, as I said. Field hospital, kitchen, comms, drone control, bla bla bla.

    Seen them used as a banya as well.

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    Post  Boshoed Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:55 pm

    auslander wrote:I will not be on forum for a while, my wife is overcome with distress. Luba will read forum and write what we are doing. My wife needs me much more than forum.

    We both thank all of you for your condolences, the condolences mean very much to us. Lubov prints them out in late afternoon and Ye'lean'chka and I read them. My bride is reduced to tears from your comments. We thank all of you!!!
    Very sorry for you loss Auslander.
    Thoughts are with you and your family all the way from Southern Africa.

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    Post  par far Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:56 pm

    walle83 wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:🇺🇲🇷🇺⚡NATO will not deploy troops in Ukraine to avoid war with Russia - Alliance Secretary General Stoltenberg, responding to Poland's proposal to send a peacekeeping mission to Ukraine.

    NATO shit it's panties big surprise,  no asswhooping for now

    Probably the opposite. The war has shown that Russian convential forces are not that good, and probably would get thier ass kicked in a confrontation with Nato forces.



    What people in the west don't understand is that the Russian forces in Ukraine are the 2nd and 3rd tier of the Russian armed forces. The 1st tier are being saved in case of a conflict with NATO/US.

    Another thing people in the west don't understand is that Russia needs to live right next to Ukraine, so the American way of doing war is not right here(American way is to bomb a country for months, sent in their ground forces and delcare victory).

    Russia does not want to destroy Ukraine, it wants to capture it, as much of it intact as possible.

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    Post  par far Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:58 pm

    flamming_python wrote:This war is a big eye-opener for sure, it reveals all the things that need to be procured and organized

    - Night-vision googles for VDV and recon platoons of all types, as the typical vanguard units
    - Ka-52 launched UAVs to guide long-range ATGMs
    - Tactical reconnaisance UAVs for motor-rifles and armour-tank forces
    - Specialist units for storming cities armed and trained accordingly
    - Specialized small-sized UCAVs armed with small arms to assist urban fighting
    - TORs or 57mm-AA vehicles accompanying Buks on the march, and other types of vehicles
    - Heavier UCAVs than what we currently have
    - More spacing in vehicle columns to lessen the effects of artillery ambushes
    - Counter-battery radars equipped on some vehicles in the column that will be able to rapidly relay back information on the location of ambushing artillery
    - BREM vehicles accompanying tank columns or following closer behind so that broken down vehicles can be retrieved rapidly rather than simply being abandoned
    - High-altitude stealth UCAVs with anti-radar missiles to counter Buk/Strela-10 ambushes in the brief window they switch their radars on
    - Gliding bombs as an alternative to more expensive missiles
    - APS on tanks, even if a primitive, cheaper system such as Drozd. But one variant or another should be on all tanks unless they're just used for fire-support further back from the line.
    - Some sort of beam-riding RPG-type system with good optics and a thermobaric warhead, for urban fighting
    - Escorts together with supply convoys, either land or helicopter-based
    - Better armored Mi-17s to deal with HMG fire
    - Anti-drone jamming or interception systems against cheap small recon drones
    - A refinement of the BMPT concept for urban fighting, should have APS as well
    - Cage armour on APCs and IFVs, probably not a big problem but it can't hurt
    - That remote weapon-station ATGM is a good idea too, not sure if the Kornet offers that in its portable version
    - Can't do much about the tin-can VDV vehicles and it looks like some at least were ambushed by artillery, but nevertheless they should have thermal optics and a UAV at least
    - Equipping the Vitebsk system on Mi-24s and Mi-17s as well
    - Less grouping up of infantry during urban combat, leaves them open to artillery fire from UAV spotting
    - Battle management systems equipped on T-72 and T-80 variants



    There are things that will be examined and checked, just as it was in Syria.

    After this is over there will be changes to the Russian armed forces, Russia will take this experience and use it to fine tune their armed forces, just like it during Syria.

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    Soros is now on a wanted list.
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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:59 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:🇺🇲🇷🇺⚡NATO will not deploy troops in Ukraine to avoid war with Russia - Alliance Secretary General Stoltenberg, responding to Poland's proposal to send a peacekeeping mission to Ukraine.

    NATO shit it's panties big surprise,  no asswhooping for now

    Said so

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    Post  Isos Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:07 pm

    Hole wrote:So the Berdyansk harbor incident is just another fake "victory" for the Orcs.

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    Big is better.


    They have that beautifull jamming pod being tested in real war environement.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:07 pm

    I got to admit Flaming python, I thought when you said that the sowing season was important to the Russian army, it was irrelevant in the war objectives.

    But, apparently the Russian Military agrees with you. so i was wrong.

    Supplying fuel to the farmers:

    "Russian troops help the farmers of the Kherson region to carry out the sowing campaign on time

    For these purposes, the delivery of diesel fuel necessary for the operation of agricultural machinery is organized to remote settlements of the region, accompanied by the Russian Guard"


    https://t.me/istorijaoruzija/47850

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:08 pm

    There are claims Ukraine captured a Krasukha 4 and will be giving it to the US.

    If true that is a massive blunder, why wasn't such an important system destroyed if they had to ditch it.....

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